"Irshad Manji" is back and HITS THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD!
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She's a Zionist FRAUD! She's exposed to the highest degree here
http//www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=4624
and here
http//www.yayacanada.com/manji.html
Thanks for playing.
I haven't read your links yet, but without reading them I am inclined to agree with your assumption about her because of what I have seen and heard from her! I really don't like her at all and what she stands for. Even if she picks up on something that I believe in, I would not support her because she would use that to say she has supports for her other sick views. She's a fraud at the highest level, IMHO.
As Salaamu Alaikum, jedi
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Peace "H.D House",
And even if she is a zionist, so what? I actually was thinking of calling myself the "first Muslim zionist" a while ago. Man the Jews worked hard on the land which is now called Israel. Palis didnt give a damn about that land before they came. There was no formal structure of government there. Infact it were the British, not wanting the Jews to gain too much power in the middle east at that time, who declared arbitrary borders for Palestine. But hopefully we can agree that the British dont get to say anymore who gets what. Also the Jews as a race ORIGINATED from that area now known as Israel so even from that point of view theyd have a right to it. It's just like the red indians when the come to a barren wasteland in the US which was originally theirs. Then they work hard, irrigate the land etc. Ofcourse the US cant deny them their state any more and separation would be a dire necessity especially since they have been oppressed and moved out from their land originally. With the Jews its a similar case. What could be more significant in their case is that in the US theres already formal government and structure and the red indians seem to have gotten through contracts already what they wanted. In the area which is now Israel as i mentioned earlier there was no such structure. Regarding the occupation in Gaza and the West Bank that happnened after the six day war which IMO was started by the Palis too since they were acting very aggressively. Yes i even know that stories where Jewish people supposedly deliberately drove a tractor into "Paliland" to test their reaction. But even if this is true the Palis had no right to shoot a a farmer with guns. If they were civilized they should have stopped him, gripped him by the arms and made it clear to him THROUGH WORDS that this is not the formal way of solving things. So yes ofcourse if you physically or rather barbarically react to mere provocations like these THEN IT WOUDLNT BE A WONDER IF YOULL GET IT BACK REAL HARD. When will people learn that physical harm is much much worse than provocations can ever be? Time and time again experience has shown that this is the case and the west has evolved out of this barabarism because thats what this behaviour is called. So now i hope youll quit being so biased and try to understand the problem. GOD Bless! -
Peace "H.D House",
And even if she is a zionist, so what? I actually was thinking of calling myself the "first Muslim zionist" a while ago. Man the Jews worked hard on the land which is now called Israel. Palis didnt give a damn about that land before they came. There was no formal structure of government there. Infact it were the British, not wanting the Jews to gain too much power in the middle east at that time, who declared arbitrary borders for Palestine. But hopefully we can agree that the British dont get to say anymore who gets what. Also the Jews as a race ORIGINATED from that area now known as Israel so even from that point of view theyd have a right to it. It's just like the red indians when the come to a barren wasteland in the US which was originally theirs. Then they work hard, irrigate the land etc. Ofcourse the US cant deny them their state any more and separation would be a dire necessity especially since they have been oppressed and moved out from their land originally. With the Jews its a similar case. What could be more significant in their case is that in the US theres already formal government and structure and the red indians seem to have gotten through contracts already what they wanted. In the area which is now Israel as i mentioned earlier there was no such structure. Regarding the occupation in Gaza and the West Bank that happnened after the six day war which IMO was started by the Palis too since they were acting very aggressively. Yes i even know that stories where Jewish people supposedly deliberately drove a tractor into "Paliland" to test their reaction. But even if this is true the Palis had no right to shoot a a farmer with guns. If they were civilized they should have stopped him, gripped him by the arms and made it clear to him THROUGH WORDS that this is not the formal way of solving things. So yes ofcourse if you physically or rather barbarically react to mere provocations like these THEN IT WOUDLNT BE A WONDER IF YOULL GET IT BACK REAL HARD. When will people learn that physical harm is much much worse than provocations can ever be? Time and time again experience has shown that this is the case and the west has evolved out of this barabarism because thats what this behaviour is called. So now i hope youll quit being so biased and try to understand the problem. GOD Bless!I have to agree with you there. I also agree with the slave trade - those blacks just weren't pulling their weight, and the Jews made sure they did. They worked hard to develop those blacks' muscles and work habits, and in fact, it was the white American farmers' fault for purchasing them.
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Salaams,
I wish I had something better to say....but HOGWASH! elektro
Peace "H.D House",
And even if she is a zionist, so what? I actually was thinking of calling myself the "first Muslim zionist" a while ago. Man the Jews worked hard on the land which is now called Israel. Palis didnt give a damn about that land before they came. There was no formal structure of government there. Infact it were the British, not wanting the Jews to gain too much power in the middle east at that time, who declared arbitrary borders for Palestine. But hopefully we can agree that the British dont get to say anymore who gets what. Also the Jews as a race ORIGINATED from that area now known as Israel so even from that point of view theyd have a right to it. It's just like the red indians when the come to a barren wasteland in the US which was originally theirs. Then they work hard, irrigate the land etc. Ofcourse the US cant deny them their state any more and separation would be a dire necessity especially since they have been oppressed and moved out from their land originally. With the Jews its a similar case. What could be more significant in their case is that in the US theres already formal government and structure and the red indians seem to have gotten through contracts already what they wanted. In the area which is now Israel as i mentioned earlier there was no such structure. Regarding the occupation in Gaza and the West Bank that happnened after the six day war which IMO was started by the Palis too since they were acting very aggressively. Yes i even know that stories where Jewish people supposedly deliberately drove a tractor into "Paliland" to test their reaction. But even if this is true the Palis had no right to shoot a a farmer with guns. If they were civilized they should have stopped him, gripped him by the arms and made it clear to him THROUGH WORDS that this is not the formal way of solving things. So yes ofcourse if you physically or rather barbarically react to mere provocations like these THEN IT WOUDLNT BE A WONDER IF YOULL GET IT BACK REAL HARD. When will people learn that physical harm is much much worse than provocations can ever be? Time and time again experience has shown that this is the case and the west has evolved out of this barabarism because thats what this behaviour is called. So now i hope youll quit being so biased and try to understand the problem. GOD Bless! -
Salaams,
And I hope that this is severe sarcasm, or otherwise voodoo
I have to agree with you there. I also agree with the slave trade - those blacks just weren't pulling their weight, and the Jews made sure they did. They worked hard to develop those blacks' muscles and work habits, and in fact, it was the white American farmers' fault for purchasing them.
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Peace JK,
I actually was thinking of calling myself the "first Muslim zionist" a while ago
So you admist to being racist then? I thought it was blatantly obvous already.
Zionists aren't limited to any religion. In fact there are some (albeit not many) 'muslim zionists' and more commonly 'christian zionists'.
In fact, many so called muslim countries support zionism.
Man the Jews worked hard on the land which is now called Israel
You mean stealing it?! And killing thousands and thousands doing it?! And putting a security border not on their side but on Palestine land --FACT.
Time and time again experience has shown that this is the case and the west has evolved out of this barabarism because thats what this behaviour is called
I hope that was a joke. Iraq war is pretty barbaric, what Israel does to Palestine on a daily basis is pretty damn barbaric.
Anyways, I fear we cannot continue this conversation. We are two polar opposites.
So now i hope youll quit being so biased and try to understand the problem.
Biased agains what/whom? I am not biased against any particular religion/sect etc... I have called out sunnis here as much as christians. I despise murder, no matter who's doing it. Every religion/race does it period. Some more than others...
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I suppose that to say good things of Israel is some kind of certificate that a muslim is a good muslim even if he is not a dead muslim. I suppose I.M. is a good muslim, even a very good live and promoted Muslim. I don't know however how much of the Qur'an she wants not to drop in order to continue being a good Muslim.
At any rate I would find IM's sincerity believable if at least she did use her notorious ability at public relations to lend a hand to (for instance) RAWA
http//www.rawa.org/index.php
which is an Afghan women's organisation really fighting hard fundamentalism since many years and in need of all the help it can get, instead of shoving us up the israeli progaganda stock which is already well know by heart by ost of the people. Does she think that she will be more capable at brainwashing because whe uses the label "Muslim"?
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Peace "House M.D",
Peace JK,
So you admist to being racist then? I thought it was blatantly obvous already.
JK- How can i be racist whilst i aint even amongst the Jewish race? But i stand up for people's rights just as i would for any other race. How the hell does that make me racist?
Zionists aren't limited to any religion. In fact there are some (albeit not many) 'muslim zionists' and more commonly 'christian zionists'.
JK- No but mostly they are limited to a RACE namely the JEWISH RACE. Remeber "jew" is also a race classification and not only a religious one. Howard Stern and Sarah Silverman for example are atheists BUT YET JEWS.
In fact, many so called muslim countries support zionism.
JK- Yes those are the secular ones who have to a great extent broken away from hadith islam. They are more on our side arnt they?
You mean stealing it?! And killing thousands and thousands doing it?! And putting a security border not on their side but on Palestine land --FACT.
JK- Yes but who started the war? Ofcourse people get killed in a war and its terrible, with lots of civilian casualties which nobody wants. It's the fault of the radical imams who keep sending in their jihadis to destroy all kind of hard earned civilization AND THEY KILL INNOCENTS DELIBERATELY TARGETTING THEM. For them no Jews is innocent even a child and thats yet another fact. Can you see the difference?
I hope that was a joke. Iraq war is pretty barbaric, what Israel does to Palestine on a daily basis is pretty damn barbaric.
JK- And who is supporting the Iraq war except Mr. Bush and his regime who is nothing but a lackey of "asshayookh al-wahaab as-saudia al-munaffiqoon al-KUBARAAA(the greaattttt saudi wahabi hypocritical sheikhs)"? The vast majority in the west is against this stupid war. As to what Israel does to Pali you are having a biased view there just like i used to have. What do you think palis are doing to Israel? Israel has to retaliate doesnt it?
Anyways, I fear we cannot continue this conversation. We are two polar opposites.
JK- It may come with time. I had this biased view too infact not so long ago.
Biased agains what/whom? I am not biased against any particular religion/sect etc... I have called out sunnis here as much as christians. I despise murder, no matter who's doing it. Every religion/race does it period. Some more than others...
JK- Yes i know and there are still some findamentalist Jews in Israel who act barabarically BUT they are not given any credit by the vast majorit their either. Nobody likes them?. Its the modern secular Jews who are prosperous and they are the ones closer to the Quran then you may think. GOD Bless!
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Peace "huruf",
I suppose that to say good things of Israel is some kind of certificate that a muslim is a good muslim even if he is not a dead muslim. I suppose I.M. is a good muslim, even a very good live and promoted Muslim. I don't know however how much of the Qur'an she wants not to drop in order to continue being a good Muslim.
JK- Where did she ever say that she wants to drop anything from the Quran? On the contrary she wants the right of the interpretation of the Quran(ijtihaad) to be restored back to the people instead of being in the hands of a few Elite sheikhs and mullahs. THAT IS HER MAIN AIM AND THAT IS WHY SHE STARTED "PROJECT IJTIHAAD".
At any rate I would find IM's sincerity believable if at least she did use her notorious ability at public relations to lend a hand to (for instance) RAWA
http//www.rawa.org/index.php
which is an Afghan women's organisation really fighting hard fundamentalism since many years and in need of all the help it can get, instead of shoving us up the israeli progaganda stock which is already well know by heart by ost of the people. Does she think that she will be more capable at brainwashing because whe uses the label "Muslim"?
JK- Again what Israeli propaganda? You should talk about "muslim" propaganda who make silly claims like the Jews control the whole world by proxy, Pepsi stands for pay every penny to save israel, some jeish people cut out the eyes of a pali girl to heal another jewish boy, 911 was caused by the Jews and other such nonsense. And btw this is not even IMs main issue. She just occasionally points this out too and theres nothing wrong with it. The main point is that "islam" as it stands today in its tradiitonal form is toally corrupt, vile, inhumane, barbaric and what not, you name it. GOD Bless!
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Peace "OPF",
I have to agree with you there. I also agree with the slave trade - those blacks just weren't pulling their weight, and the Jews made sure they did. They worked hard to develop those blacks' muscles and work habits, and in fact, it was the white American farmers' fault for purchasing them.
JK- You can cut the sarcasm there. I know well about how the white people, NOT the Jews, treated the slaves back then. That also came partly through religion but most of the people back in that time were racists EVEN GANDHI AND DARWIN although the latter was less racist as compared to the others. This probably was because at that time scientific research was not deveoped enough to distinguish the apelike creatures from humans in every case so whenever someone merely appeared to be more apelike they would most llikely be classified as subhuman without going into genetic details. This however has absolutely nothing to do with what i was discussing. In the past all were barbaric but the past is gone and wer talking abt the present. Today most of the Jews and the west have evolved IN THEIR THINKING and respect human rights. The traiditonal "muslims" have yet to do this and quit the barbarism. GOD Bless!