The Great kaaba and Abraham.
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Hi Maria,
the Quran show us that they were idolworshippers..
Before taking this any further, do you mean- the quran shows us they were stone idol worshippers?
God Bless.
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Peace,
Lol, no, an idol can be whatever you want it to be. You can idolworship a stone, a tree, an animal, a building, planets, other humans etc.
Maria
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Peace,
Lol, no, an idol can be whatever you want it to be. You can idolworship a stone, a tree, an animal, a building, planets, other humans etc.
Maria
Well Maria, you have put your self in the spot- i think.
As far as i know stone/ tree/ animal/ planet worships arn't evil- they do not harm anyone but are only a waste of time for people. And expecting anything from them is a waste as well and that is all.
Are they mentioned in the quran? if so where?
God Bless.
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Peace,
To waste your time on nonsense rituals are in itself a bad thing when God have give you a big brain to use for higher causes.
And don't sneaking around the bush my friend, why i have to find those attributes in Quran?
I'm not only take Quran as a guideline, I do take all that I find as valueable informations as tools for my understanding.
And speak what you like, why I must try to prove something to you!?
Maria
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Salaams Maria,
And speak what you like, why I must try to prove something to you!?
I didn't mean prove something to me i was just clarifying what you said to see if it was fruitful for me and others here.
God Bless.
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Peace,
oh, so you are the new judge in here?
So your job is to locate who has something wise to come up with or not?Sorry to sound rude but, I really much dislike this kind of attitude and therefore I don't feel to reveal anything to you and this thread.
Maria
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Hi Maria,
of course - reveal what you want, but allow people to ask questions, that isn't unfair is it? or is it?
confused
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Peace,
Hmm questions????
Well you already mentioned that Quran was about good and bad things, so why not eloborate that instead of attacking my words of idols.
Maria
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Peace,
attacking my words of idols.
Maria
No i didn't attack and neither meant to- its probably my wrong aproach of asking the quistions.
and nothing bad meant.
Thanks.
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Sorry Maria,
the quran isn't about stone idols, it doesn't say anything about stone idols- its about our actions - bad and good.
stone idols don't say or do anything- its us and our actions- give it some thought.
God Bless All.
Peace,
Yes, maybe I really didn't understand your questions from the very beginning because I took it as some kind of attack for my findings about the issue.
I mean we have all right to have our own opinions about things and not being ridiculed for thinking like that.And I can agree that of course it is about our actions, our actions are creating energies both good and bad.
Maria
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The Talmuds, Midrashim, Targums and the Quran
Many Quran stories and sayings appear elsewhere only in the Mishnah, Talmud, Midrashim and Targums.
Islamic teachers have often, unfortunately taught that the extra-biblical traditions of Judaism are false and are of no value to the Believer. On the contrary however the Quran makes it clear that many of the extra-biblical Jewish traditions preserved in the Midrashim, Talmuds, Mishna etc. contain truth.
A primary example is that of the story of Abraham and his father the idol maker. The same basic story appears in the Talmud, the Midrash Rabbah and the Midrash Sefer Ha-Yashar. It also appears in the Quran but it does NOT appear in the Bible at all.
The story appears this way in Midrash Rabbah
Terah was an idolator once he went away and left Abraham to sell his idols. Whenever a buyer came, Abraham asked him his age. If he replied, I am fifty, or sixty years old, Abraham said 'Woe to the man of sixty who desires to worship the work of a day, so that the buyer went away ashamed.'1 Once a woman came, with a dish of wheat and said, 'Here, put this before them;' but Abraham took a stick and beat down all the idols, and put the stick into the hands of the largest idol when his father returned, he said, 'Who has done this?'
On which Abraham replied, 'Why should I deny it?, A woman came with a dish of wheat and bade me set it in front of them. I had scarcely done so when each wanted to eat before the other, and the greatest beat them all down with the stick which he had in his hand. Terah said 'What art thou inventing for me?
Have they then understanding?' Abraham replied, 'Do thine ears not hear what thy month says?' Then Terah took him and gave him over to Nimrod, who said 'We will worship fire.' Abraham said 'Rather water, which extinguishes. ' Nimrod replied 'Water then.' 'Rather the cloud which carries water.' 'The cloud then.' 'Rather the wind which scatters the cloud.' 'The wind then.' 'Rather men, who endure the wind. Nimrod at this became angry and said
'Thou art only making a speech. I worship fire and will throw thee into it. The God whom thou dost worship may come and save thee out of it.' Abraham was then thrown into a glowing furnace, but was saved from it. (Midrash Rabbah on Gen. Paragraph 3
A comparison of this story with the parallel story in the Quarn reveals unique similarities in the Qur'an and the Midrash which appear nowhere in the Bible.
The Qur'anic account of Abraham and the idols commences in Sura 674 where Abraham is quoted as saying "Takest thou idols for gods?" and this theme is then expanded in Sura 2151-71. It is exactly the same theme as the Midrash where Abraham takes issue over the idols of his father.
The shared themes in the Midrashic account
The Midrashic account is cited here and the Qur'anic equivalent can be found in the ayats in the brackets.
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Abraham's father accused of being an idolater "Terah (Abraham's father) was a manufacturer of idols" ie. He was an idolater. (52)
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"He once went away somewhere and left Abraham..." (57)
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Abraham breaks all the idols except the biggest "So he took a stick, broke them, (the idols) and put the stick in the hand of the largest." (5
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"When his father returned he demanded, 'What have you done to them?'" (59)
(In the Qur'anic account this demand is made by his father and the people.) Abraham claims "Thereupon the largest arose, took the stick, and broke them." (63)
- Abraham is seized and delivered up for judgement "Thereupon he seized him and delivered him to Nimrod." (6
The Qur'an does not mention by name who was to punish Abraham.
- Abraham is saved from the fire
"When Abram descended into the fiery furnace and was saved..." (69)
All the above points are unique both to the Qur'anic and the Midrashic accounts.
They do not appear anywhere in the Bible.
Another example is the story of the Queen of Sheba (Surah 2720-44) which appears elsewhere only in a Midrash interjected in a Targum to Esther
http//jews-for-allah.org/Jews-and-Muslims-Agree/jewish-koran.htm
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Peace,
The Bible is in itself a selection from Jewish stories that were collected around 600BCE. The stories that were left out ended up in the Midrash or were labelled as heretic (Secrets of Enoch for example), so the Quran doesn't focus, or rather, limits itself at all on what WE call the Bible or Torah, it confirms our suspicions already that many correct or half-true stories were left out of the Bible and ended up in the Midrash.
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Br Bigmo,
On the contrary however the Quran makes it clear that many of the extra-biblical Jewish traditions preserved in the Midrashim, Talmuds, Mishna etc. contain truth.
How can that be the truth? When these stories don?t correlate with reality?
Such a great man lies and the fire doesn?t burn him????
With the same methodology one could argue that the ritual prayer is practiced by Zoroastrians and the Muslims or that it is in their books, so it is authentic.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8250.0
The quran is about peoples actions it prohibits people causing harm.
It doesn?t compel people not to adore statues.
Example.
A person could wake up at 12 o clock at night to admire his wheat field every night ? no harm- so he isn?t compelled by anyone not to do this.
A person may pray to his God to look after his wheat field and another person may ask his statue to look after his wheat field ? is there a difference, not that I can see Br.
We are to seek by research of the methodology of the supreme being/ nature/God/ life force or what ever is causing the growth of the wheat field and apply that to get His assistance Right?
Just my thoughts and may be you right though!
Peace.