Why there has to be a hell
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But why would those who experience a NDE witness hell?
There was an interesting show on PBS the other night were they were relating NDE to psychedelic trips. They are saying that the brain releases certain chemicals that induce a trip similar to if you take a psychedelic. look up DMT (Dimethyltryptamine)
What br. Zulf is saying makes sense. It's no wonder why just about everybody has had a similar experience. Much like dreaming.. patterns (geometrical) are created and then your memories of symbolism makes up the rest of the shapes into recognizable symbols ie. dead grandma calling you from the light etc... hence why there is much symbolism in characters you witness in your dreams. Meaning you see your mother or father etc.. but they are not what is truely being represented.. just your mind filling in the blanks and shapes... also for NDE, it's speculated that such a thing is the body's (mind's) mechanism to deal with death... yet there are also other properties of those who are experienced that will tell you goes beyond just the physical.
Maybe none of them deserved to go to hell. Besides, hell is not yet there. What are they going to experience?
It's not for us to say who deserves to go to hell or not and hell can be a state, which one can experience .. or at least get a taste of here.. and now... as alluded to in
2114.... ... ... For them there is nothing but disgrace in this world, and in the world to come, an exceeding torment.peace
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Peace
The final decision is with the Judge of the affair and pointing out that there could be a possibility that people who witness hell in these experience PROBABLY (i.e. in Samia's own words "maybe" do not deserve to go to hell does not sound like someone making a determination of who IS going to hell.
If I'm not clear let me put it this way
(1) Maybe none of them deserved to go to hell.
(2) None of them deserved to go to hell.
Sentence 2 would have to be stated to have me believe that Samia was as you stated, "say who deserves to go to hell or not" .
Joe
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Sounds like you're throwing the idea around and speculating on whether or not some people deserve hell.
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Saying that some people deserve hell is not the same as saying who deserves to go to hell or not. Saying maybe they do not deserve hell is not the same as they do or do not deserve to go to hell.
I believe there is hell and I believe there are people who will go to hell, so they deserve it. You cannot deduce more than that from this.
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Saying that some people deserve hell is not the same as saying who deserves to go to hell or not. Saying maybe they do not deserve hell is not the same as they do or do not deserve to go to hell.
Yeah I got you the first time.. why I said Sounds like you're throwing the idea around and speculating on whether or not some people deserve hell.
Whatever makes you feel better though.. If you feel justified by saying "some" instead of "who" etc... it's your own thing...
Allah knows best.
peace
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Yeah I got you the first time.. why I said Sounds like you're throwing the idea around and speculating on whether or not some people deserve hell.
Whatever makes you feel better though.. If you feel justified by saying "some" instead of "who" etc... it's your own thing...
Allah knows best.
peace
It's not about me feeling better, the same way I do not aim at making someone feel better. I am more serious than that. If someone misaunderstands me, I take it as my obligation to remove this misunderstanding. Also, if I misunderstand someone, I would like them to address my misunderstanding and correct it. I do not leave it at that because "it makes them feel better".
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It's not about me feeling better, the same way I do not aim at making someone feel better. I am more serious than that. If someone misaunderstands me, I take it as my obligation to remove this misunderstanding. Also, if I misunderstand someone, I would like them to address my misunderstanding and correct it. I do not leave it at that because "it makes them feel better".
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Peace. peace
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Peace,
My beliefs of both Hell and Paradise is that they are merely allegorical to that sense that we are the ones who create those both places ourselves.
Everything is build upon cycles and when a cycle end a new appear etc. Same goes with our lives. And when we do good things we send out good vibes for other to catch up and if we do this on a regular base, we create our own paradise and we will be born into something good next time.
The same happens when you do something bad and evil and are doing this on a regular base, then you create your own hell and will be punished and born into something awful next time.
So karma and Dharma is likely something to consider even with upholding Quran, I really think this is there in Quran but we have been fooled by those ritual and traditional thoughts for so long but I really think this was the authentic idea but have been destroyed by people who like the materalistic things more than the universal things.
So Muhammad and Buddha are buddies!!!
Maria
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Peace,
My beliefs of both Hell and Paradise is that they are merely allegorical to that sense that we are the ones who create those both places ourselves.
Everything is build upon cycles and when a cycle end a new appear etc. Same goes with our lives. And when we do good things we send out good vibes for other to catch up and if we do this on a regular base, we create our own paradise and we will be born into something good next time.
The same happens when you do something bad and evil and are doing this on a regular base, then you create your own hell and will be punished and born into something awful next time.
So karma and Dharma is likely something to consider even with upholding Quran, I really think this is there in Quran but we have been fooled by those ritual and traditional thoughts for so long but I really think this was the authentic idea but have been destroyed by people who like the materalistic things more than the universal things.
So Muhammad and Buddha are buddies!!!
Maria
Peace Maria
Did you glean this opininion from the Quran? If so I must have misunderstood the whole thing! o
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Peace Maria
Did you glean this opininion from the Quran? If so I must have misunderstood the whole thing!
Peace Brother,
Well, I have no specific verses in Quran to give you. But as I am a person who uphold the holistic idea more than the details, I would be glad if someone who is keen to details would make a research about this.
I doubt alot this physical way of adhere to God that many muslim seems to claim they got from Quran. I'm for the spiritual way of adhering to God and that it is we humans who are responsible for our acts. What we send out etc.
And I also not like the idea of saying things like " It's God's will" and " For God's sake" because we decide for ourselves what we want to do with our lives. And God he doesn't need anything from us.
If we have good contact with God, He's power will benefit us and all good things that we ask for will be multiplied.
Think if the true guidence and message is written inside of another writings!? Maybe that is the case with Islam and Quran, the true message is there mixed with other stuff that is not of benefits for us. Maybe therefore we cannot find logic answers with everything in Quran. Because that stuff is not for us to use for our spiritual life.
Only some thought!!!
Maria
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Peace,
If hell is a physical place that is. The people in the world who commit horrible crimes (see wars etc) without justice need to be paid for the horrors they have done.
If you believe in the Quran, then you should know that you will get to see it once, and if you are rightous you will be saved out of it........
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I believe in a just God. However, what I'm having problems digesting is the idea of a soul being punished forever for something which was done for a very short time. It doesn't make sense to me. And this is of course because I don't know everything, quite simply.
Maybe my problem arises part from not being able to grasp the real nature of time and infinity, and not being able to see actions for what they actually are.
What I'm also wondering is how good an understanding "we" actually have of the quran as of now. How far from correct interpretations are we, and how much does it matter? I guess we are not supposed to have it all served on a silver plate... life's supposed to be dealt with with effort.
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Ulf