Msjid Al Haraam
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I think there's a similarity between the holocaust of 194x and of the Jewish excursion, both were "saved" by an external power (although moses seems to have done it almost single handedly?) and now they wreak havoc, just as before.
I think interpreting it like this changes the message a lot, but some things are far, far clearer now. The quran suddenly jumps to Abraham or Moses quite a lot and now it makes much more sense as to why.
Would you agree that the 'book' talked about is simply the 10 or 12 commandments given to Moses, Abraham and loads of others before (ref 6156)? Then the quran is a detailed explanation of these commandments (1037) and that explains better as to why it is 'fully detailed' and it gives us a scope as to what it means by "every example" (6114).
What about 1591 anyway? That does seem a little odd. Who split the quran up? Into what? In 151 it states these are the verses and then goes on but in 241, it's described as a chapter. So is the quran one contiguous book as implied in 1591, with chapters in 241, but why does it shift towards saying ayatu in 151?
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I think there's a similarity between the holocaust of 194x and of the Jewish excursion, both were "saved" by an external power (although moses seems to have done it almost single handedly?) and now they wreak havoc, just as before.
I think interpreting it like this changes the message a lot, but some things are far, far clearer now. The quran suddenly jumps to Abraham or Moses quite a lot and now it makes much more sense as to why.
Would you agree that the 'book' talked about is simply the 10 or 12 commandments given to Moses, Abraham and loads of others before (ref 6156)? Then the quran is a detailed explanation of these commandments (1037) and that explains better as to why it is 'fully detailed' and it gives us a scope as to what it means by "every example" (6114).
What about 1591 anyway? That does seem a little odd. Who split the quran up? Into what? In 151 it states these are the verses and then goes on but in 241, it's described as a chapter. So is the quran one contiguous book as implied in 1591, with chapters in 241, but why does it shift towards saying ayatu in 151?
I hope it helps.
Using Quranic Dictionary and............
1591
(So also on such) as have made the Qur'an/Transmission into a pack of lies (as they please).151
A. L. R. These are the signs/Tips of the good standered from the Alkitab/great ordeals/happenings; - of a Qur'an/reading/transmission that makes things clear.241
Some eminent information which We have revealed and which We have ordained/explained in it clear Signs/tips/good habits, in order that ye may receive ADMONITION.Salaams.
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1591
I would translate it"They made/altered/created the quran into parts/bits/lies"
I think it's referring to those who corrupt the quran and/or it's message. Tying into 2530?
151 You can cross-reference how al-kitaab (the scripture/book) is used. Some wonderful examples are 2213, *638, *684-89, 2740, etc...
For people of the book, Try 364-65, 370-71, 398-99, 4171, 515, 519, 577 etc...
*Carefully study the context.
Sources
PRL, Text in motion
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1591
I would translate it"They made/altered/created the quran into parts/bits/lies"
I think it's referring to those who corrupt the quran and/or it's message. Tying into 2530?
151 You can cross-reference how al-kitaab (the scripture/book) is used. Some wonderful examples are 2213, *638, *684-89, 2740, etc...
For people of the book, Try 364-65, 370-71, 398-99, 4171, 515, 519, 577 etc...
*Carefully study the context.
Sources
PRL, Text in motion
Salaams MD,
So you are an MD and haven't so far realised books don't materialise or fall from the skies above.
Hard to believe but then again if you try convincing the Christians how can God have a son- they will look at you in way to show you don't have any belief.......
normal translation;
........He sent the Book in truth
to judge between people in matters wherein they differed.....lastly please tell us what happened to books which must have come to the rest of mankind or is the God prejudicial and only sends books to the middle east or something?
God Bless.
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Hey MD, I don't think you should be so defensive ;D, loosen up.
But my question is, does 'al-kitab' refer to Moses' commandments? That is all.
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OPF
I did not put the 'kybalion' OVER the Qur'an. (BTW the kybalion has nothing to do with astrology.) And I did NOT say the Qur'an 'was weaker' than the kybalion. Bite your tongue!
If you would have read my posts in other topics in the past you would know that I have stated that I understand that God's laws of creation are the clear ayat that are out there for all to read and see. This is my point. This was my original point. Still is my point.
You saying that the Qur'an must 'sanction' the laws of the universe is silly. They are what God is telling us to think about and see in so many places. A person does not need to prove anything mathmatically, you just live your life and learn. This has been around since the beginning of time (as I stated before). You're missing my point all together.
I'm sorry OPF, you're just not getting it and I certainly cannot make the 'blind' see.
So.....you 'see' it your way, and I'll see it mine, and in the end, the Truth will prevail. giveup
Peace...
I don't think it'll go anywhere. Looking back I think I was too rough about your beliefs, sorry.
You saying that the Qur'an must 'sanction' the laws of the universe is silly. They are what God is telling us to think about and see in so many places.
And why, pray tell, does the quran refer to the signs of this world so much then? Of course it sanctions the laws of the universe, if you believe that the quran is the word of god, the same which created this universe, don't you have any faith in the book making accurate/correct predictions and pointing us to the right things to look for?
A person does not need to prove anything mathmatically, you just live your life and learn. This has been around since the beginning of time (as I stated before). You're missing my point all together.
If you make a statement about something verifiable, is it too much to ask that you give it a way to be verified? By any means possible? I just want you to put some solid foundations behind your idea, as in (I think).
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Salaam Simple,
First, I am not an MD (long story).
I don't believe the above!
Hi MD,
I think these ayah's might shed some light- to show Kitaab isn't/wasn't a book.
424,659,868,936?.e.t.c
and OPF to my understanding "No" the commandments are not the Al-Kitab- although the commandments where a
result of the Al-kitaab of Moses or rather the pains sufferrings the ordeals Moses went through and as a consequence was rewarded with the commandments- he was enlightened.Then again we can only see things in a certain light - according to our own experiances.
God Bless.
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Salaam Simple,
Are you saying that Al Kitaab is limited to Moses only?
"No" Br,
Al-Kitab means something like "Trials and tribulations" to my understanding and that is something most people experience and learn from if they be wise.
Its not a book.
Thanks.
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Greetings OPF,
Looking back I think I was too rough about your beliefs, sorry.
I'm very grateful for the lighter tone and the open heart. Thank you.
And why, pray tell, does the quran refer to the signs of this world so much then? Of course it sanctions the laws of the universe, if you believe that the quran is the word of god, the same which created this universe, don't you have any faith in the book making accurate/correct predictions and pointing us to the right things to look for?
Guess it was the word 'sanctions' that I was bristling to. I do have faith in the book. I consider it 'al-Furqan'.
If you make a statement about something verifiable, is it too much to ask that you give it a way to be verified? By any means possible? I just want you to put some solid foundations behind your idea, as in (I think).
'Any means possible' is good, 'mathematical' - I couldn't do without a lot of study! Not my field.
is a beautiful ayah. And of interest here to since it uses the analogy of 'building which they have built'. In the same light as the usage of 'masjid alharam' -- as far as it not being a physical 'building'.
But as for my proof, my proof is born out of a general understanding and a day to day living and perhaps an inherently different outlook on the world and the events that happen around me. And this is, again, my point. God's inviolable laws are the laws that you live with every day, that once you learn them, they will never fail you.
For instance, to bring in my practice of homeopathy, I know that if I see a child fall down and bump his head on the corner of a table while I'm sitting with him, that if I can get the remedy Arnica montana in 30c or 200c potency to him ASAP that I will be able to hold him on my lap and watch the spot on his head turn from bright red, possibly bleeding and swelling, to a light red, flat spot in a matter of a few minutes. I know this from experience.
I learned the treatment via a book that I had read during the time of my studies of homeopathy. The thought and the procedure then entered my mind, waiting for the perfect opportunity to try it out to see if the treatment truly did work. The first time I tried it, I wasn't sure of what would really happen. But I had faith and I did it anyway, and was soon amazed by what happened before my eyes. It seemed an impossibility. I have to say that I couldn't believe my eyes. This was just too cool to be true!
Then another similar opportunity happened and I gave the same treatment. Again what I had read in the book was verified by life experience. The book wasn't the Qur'an, but it was a book that explained how I can work with an inviolable law of God (III. THE PRINCIPLE OF VIBRATION) in order to achieve what seemed to be a miraculous outcome.
To summarize --
My proof is to
- acquire the thought (concept),
2)act on it,
3)then watch and learn, and act on it again, then watch and learn (percept).
It doesn't really matter where you get the original thought from. By acting on the thought, you will soon learn whether your source is a source of Truth or not. If it's not, trust me, you won't be going back for more!
Thank you again for the opportunity to further explain. handshake
- acquire the thought (concept),
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Salaams All,
If it helps anyone yay
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How can there be a league, before Allah and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty regarding the forbidden realm? As long as these stand
True to you, stand ye true to them for Allah doth love the righteous919
Do ye consider of setting up evil disputes, or the upholding of the Forbidden realm, equal to (the pious service of) those who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and strive with might and main in the cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah and Allah guides not those who do wrong.928
O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean/ evil; so from now on let them not approach the Forbidden realm. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.4825
(This is one of those- Human shield or hostages situation where part of the residents are acting as a shield- thwarting attack.
The disbelievers prevented the prophet from taking up arms against them as the unbelievers had the innocent ?believing men and women in their midst, so preventing the prophet from taking up arms.)They are the ones who disbelieved and hindered you from the Forbidden realm (the attack/ the raid/ the onslaught) and the plan stopped from reaching its conclusion. Had there not been believing men and believing women whom ye did not know, that you might kill them and on whose account a crime would have accrued to you without (your) knowledge, that He may admit to His Mercy whom He will. If they had been apart, We should certainly have punished the Unbelievers among them with a grievous Punishment.
002.150
YUSUFALI So from whencesoever Thou startest forth, keep to mind that what is forbidden ; and wheresoever ye are, keep to mind that there be no ground of dispute against you among the people, except those of them that are bent on wickedness; so fear them not, but fear Me; and that I may complete My favours on you, and ye May (consent to) be guided;So from above the cause of;
disputes, arguments, accusations come flying when rights of individuals aren?t being met or are being taken away and that happens when the law is being violated.
And the worst one is Murder.
Msjid Al haram is the forbidden realm
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They ask thee concerning the Prohibited interactions. Say "challenging by way of them is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to access what is forbidden, and drive out people." Tumult and oppression are worse than challenging/standing up for the right. Nor will they cease challenging you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you Turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein.(realm (AREA) Show phonetics
noun
an area of interest or activity
Her interests are in the realm of practical politics.)God Bless.