Where did we come from?
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What force causes one species to evolve into another?
Changing environmental pressures like climate change, habitat change, introduction of new foods/predators/etc, opening of empty habitats, etc.
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Peace sis ?ilisa?,
JK- Thanks for the positive input and yes indeed I think here we are almost on one level. But I still doubt homeopathy and quantum healing or quantum intervention on the macro level. Simply put I do this mainly because I then don?t see the reasons for all the plants and chemicals and physical laws around us which could be used in various treatments. If you could just explain that. Also did you contact the JREF again that your up for the challenge and waiting? GOD Bless!
Greetings JK,
To clarify are you saying that you don't see what I mean when I say that everything in creation is a reflection of a dis-ease state of man and you'd like for me to explain this?
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Changing environmental pressures like climate change, habitat change, introduction of new foods/predators/etc, opening of empty habitats, etc.
Yes, those are the reasons for it to be successful, but not what actually happens to the creatures offspring. Most scientists say it's the random mutation of genes, which occasionally leads to new and improved ones, and since those are passed on, a small change is created. I definantly do not believe that random alterations (by such things as radio activity) lead to such sophisticated and delicately balanced life systems. I find the fact that life could not create itself to be one of the biggest evidences of God, but since the theory of evolution gives peoples mind this possibility, it makes it easy for widespread Athiesm--since the biggest evidence is irradicated, and as Muslims we know going this route is to the destruction of a person. This doesn't just effect one person either--Evolution based Athiesm has lead to such philosophies as Nazism and the act of racial cleansing.
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Peace "OPF",
JK- 1/0 is infinity accroding to accepted mathematics. Yes 2/0 is also infinity and so is 1.5/0 so we have smaller and greater infinities which is well known in mathematics too. And i made it clear that light does not experience time as we know it. Thats at least according to current knowledge. But to explain anything which goes on in the quantum realm one would have to introduce imaginary time, something which steven hawkins actually did in his latest "theory of everything".
Maybe you can cite a source when you say "accepted mathematics". A simple proof against your idea is that 0*anything = 0. Fundamental idea in ring theory, correct? And don't get "quantum" with me when neither of us are arguably qualified to talk "quantum".
JK- This is not a statistical absurdity at all, not if we have an infinite no of causes and effects. Yes the Primary Intelligence/COnsciousness must have arisen out of random fluctuations. There is just no other way or would you rather go for magic. Everything after that then is a result of that Being's planning. There is no problem/paradox with this whatsoever. Regarding the increasing enthropy in the universe, this is exactly why this universe cannot be the only one just as stephen hawkins has realized. Theres has to be an infinite no of them or better yet maybe this universe is part of another universe which is yet part of another and so on to in infinity. Hence theres a mere shift of enthropy whilst it increases here it decreases elsewhere. You cannot say that enthropy always increases in absolute terms. This would be somewhat near the creationists claim who also play with the 2nd law of thermodynamics which has been debunked. The best explanation is that Quantum Flux continues to create universes in which first enthropy decreases and then maybe at some point decreases. Initially this is what happened in our universe too. Enthropy DEcreases at first.
And there is an equal chance of an "anti-god" spawning in the next "fluctuations" or previously. Again, sillyness. I don't actually care what "stephen hawkins has realised" because MWI is completely unverifiable to the point of idiocy, cooked up to explain a certain result in quantum mechanics and belongs in a trash heap.
JK- As i said this is anything but silly. Otherwise please explain to me how the Primary Intelligence came into being logically. GOD Bless!
There is no need to 'explain how god came into being'. Sorry to tell you but we are well out of our scope here.
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Peace "OPF",
Maybe you can cite a source when you say "accepted mathematics". A simple proof against your idea is that 0*anything = 0. Fundamental idea in ring theory, correct? And don't get "quantum" with me when neither of us are arguably qualified to talk "quantum".
JK- 0 x "anything FINITE" = 0 yes, but 0 x "INfinity" is NOT ONLY zero, otherwise taking 0 x INF = 0 would give ONLY, by cross multiplication, 0 / 0 = INF which is incorrect since 0/0 can be ANY finite value as well i.e. and infinite amount of solutions and is therefore indeterminate. Other examples of indeterminates would be 0^0 and 1^INF. See http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0/0
And there is an equal chance of an "anti-god" spawning in the next "fluctuations" or previously. Again, sillyness. I don't actually care what "stephen hawkins has realised" because MWI is completely unverifiable to the point of idiocy, cooked up to explain a certain result in quantum mechanics and belongs in a trash heap.
JK- How do you define "anti-god"? Do you mean something which rebels against GOD? If so then yes there sure is but like in evolution the most rational dominates and that by definition is what is termed as GOD. So this term "anti-god" of yours doesnt make any sense. And MWI does IMO resolve the otherwise apparent paradoxes in quantum mechanics and is very reasonable taking into account that quantum "particles" exist in all possible states simultaneously, the outcomes each manifesting in its own universe.
There is no need to 'explain how god came into being'. Sorry to tell you but we are well out of our scope here.
JK- Oh yes there is if one wants to be intellectually honest. Just claiming "GOD did it or is there" is not satisfactory to say the least. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Ilisa",
Greetings JK,
To clarify are you saying that you don't see what I mean when I say that everything in creation is a reflection of a dis-ease state of man and you'd like for me to explain this?
JK- Yes that for one i didnt understand at all so please do explain it. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Evre",
Yes, those are the reasons for it to be successful, but not what actually happens to the creatures offspring. Most scientists say it's the random mutation of genes, which occasionally leads to new and improved ones, and since those are passed on, a small change is created. I definantly do not believe that random alterations (by such things as radio activity) lead to such sophisticated and delicately balanced life systems. I find the fact that life could not create itself to be one of the biggest evidences of God, but since the theory of evolution gives peoples mind this possibility, it makes it easy for widespread Athiesm--since the biggest evidence is irradicated, and as Muslims we know going this route is to the destruction of a person. This doesn't just effect one person either--Evolution based Athiesm has lead to such philosophies as Nazism and the act of racial cleansing.
JK- In order to show that GOD created us and everything A LINK MUST BE SHOWN RELATING EVERYTHING TO HIM. Just saying that because one doesnt believe such and such intricacy could have comes about by chance and hence must have been designed/created, is an illogical argument. Since then i can ask well how did Something as sophisticated as GOD Himself come into Being? Obviously since nobody created Him, He must have come through an infinite no of initially RANDOM(in the true sense of the word), fluctuations. In the same way everything else could come about through random fluctuations in isolation of GOD. I had to admit this in order to be intellectually honest. So if there is NO LINK to trace back, which i believe there is thanx to QM, then creation cannot be proven and this is the main point creationists and even some theistic evolutionists, arguing GOD based on fine tune, miss. GOD Bless!
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The biggest flaw in this understanding-> fluctuation=motion=motion needs a cause....
God is Ahad, His own Causuality, He is not Begotten.
From a scientifical point of view is an All Conscious Being equal to nothing being there. There is no need to find a scientifical explanation for God, as how much you think and calculate, you have to have a singualiar causation. The first movement. This first movement was already God Himself, as movement needs purpose.
Peace
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Peace bro "arnold",
The first movement or the first causation yes correct and according to the best knowledge we have today that is the quantum flux. You say GOD is His own cause. Well i see this as technically coinciding with my argument since an infinite amount of causes and effects taking place instantaneously in the pure quantum realm would IMO include this understanding as well. It is just a logical way to put it. GOD Bless! -
Peace "Evre",
So what do you think flucuated to create God?
JK- First of all "create" wouldnt be the right term since when we use the term "create" we mean that prior intelligence caused something to further arise. At the stage of infinite randomness, which by the way had to occur an infinite amount of "time" ago, there was no intelligence so nothing was created actually but one can say "came into being". And yes the quantum flux fluctuated and GOD was there but since this happened an infinite amount of "time" ago it is even technically correct to say GOD was always there. A bit complicated at first but i think gradually one should understand this concept. GOD Bless!