Holy lands and valleys.
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Peace
That approach can just make things worse and not improve it. There are tools. There are grammar books because these words have various grammatical nuances and they probably should be looked into because using the insufficient tools can lead you astray. Otherwise leave it to someone better suited, at least that's what I'd do.
Joe
I think God is with us to guide us if we are pious enough Br.
God Bless.
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Peace Simple,
521, Why have you translated Ardh as disposition?
2012
"Verily I am thy Lord! therefore (in My presence) put off thy shoes thou art in the sacred valley Tuwa.New translation
Verily I am thy Lord! Therefore cast off your heart-ace verily you are for compensation of murder of the holy done twice.A) What have you translated as 'heart-ace' and what is 'heart-ace'?
B) What have you translated as compensation, murder, and done twice?
C)
Therefore cast off your heart-ace verily you are for compensation of murder of the holy done twice.
What does this mean anyway?Thanks.
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Peace Simple,
521, Why have you translated Ardh as disposition?
Page 213 Qd.
Ardz is disposition.
Ardza = To be content ,Please.I think Lanes has it as such also.
A) What have you translated as 'heart-ace' and what is 'heart-ace'?
should be "heart-ache"
take off your shoes- is a metaphorical expression for making the heart vacant from care of worldly relations(p 569 Qd)
Na'laika your both worldly relations/shoes.........
B) What have you translated as compensation, murder, and done twice?
Wada To pay the blood money, pay a fine as expiation for human life, compensate for murder.(p 605 Qd)
Tuwan , you check that.
C) What does this mean anyway?
Moses killed two people before running from egypt.
And that was keeping him away from going there - but he is told to pay up, do in exchange/ free the Isralites e.t.cI think.
God Bless All.
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Page 213 Qd.
Ardz is disposition.
Ardza = To be content ,Please.I think Lanes has it as such also.
should be "heart-ache"
take off your shoes- is a metaphorical expression for making the heart vacant from care of worldly relations(p 569 Qd)
Na'laika your both worldly relations/shoes.........
Wada To pay the blood money, pay a fine as expiation for human life, compensate for murder.(p 605 Qd)
Tuwan , you check that.
Moses killed two people before running from egypt.
And that was keeping him away from going there - but he is told to pay up, do in exchange/ free the Isralites e.t.cI think.
God Bless All.
Peace,
Page 213 Qd.
Ardz is disposition.
Ardza = To be content ,Please.I think Lanes has it as such also.
You got the wrong root and page number. The correct page number is 19. You are looking under Ra-Dad-Ya, which is incorrect. You posted Ardza (wrong root-Alif Ra Dad Alif), the correct root for Ardh in 521 is Alif Ra Dad. It is one of the most common roots in The Reading.
I think Lanes has it as such also.
Here's what Lane has
Alif-Ra-Dad = = To rotate, bring forth herbs abundantly. Land abundant, fruitful, productive, luxuriant with herbage. Place for alighting or abiding. To tarry, await, expect, be patient. "Earth, as opposed to heaven and the ground, as meaning the surface of the earth, on which we tread, and sit, and lie". Good land. Remain, fixed, tarry in expectation . Heavy, slow, sluggish, inclining, or propending to the ground. Submissive. A carpet, anything that is spread. A tremor, vertigo arising from a relaxed state. Wood-fretter, termite.
ard n.f. 211, 222, 227, 229, 220, 233, 236, 260, 261, 271, 2107, 2116, 2117, 2164, 2164, 2164, 2168, 2205, 2251, 2255, 2255, 2267, 2273, 2284, 35, 329, 383, 391, 3109, 3129, 3133, 3137, 3156, 3180, 3189, 3190, 3191, 442, 497, 497, 4100, 4101, 4126, 4131, 4131, 4132, 4170, 4171, 517, 517, 518, 521, 526, 531, 532, 532, 533, 533, 536, 540, 564, 597, 5106, 5120, 61, 63, 66, 611, 612, 614, 635, 638, 659, 671, 673, 675, 679, 6101, 6116, 6165, 710, 724, 754, 756, 773, 774, 774, 785, 796, 7100, 7110, 7127, 7128, 7129, 7137, 7146, 7158, 7168, 7176, 7185, 7187, 826, 863, 867, 873, 92, 925, 936, 938, 974, 9116, 9118, 103, 106, 1014, 1018, 1023, 1024, 1024, 1031, 1054, 1055, 1061, 1066, 1068, 1078, 1083, 1099, 10101, 116, 117, 1120, 1144, 1161, 1164, 1185, 11107, 11108, 11116, 11123, 129, 1221, 1255, 1256, 1273, 1280, 12101, 12105, 12109, 133, 134, 1315, 1316, 1317, 1318, 1325, 1331, 1333, 1341, 142, 148, 1410, 1413, 1414, 1419, 1426, 1432, 1438, 1448, 1448, 1519, 1539, 1585, 163, 1613, 1615, 1636, 1645, 1649, 1652, 1665, 1673, 1677, 174, 1737, 1737, 1744, 1755, 1776, 1790, 1795, 1799, 17102, 17103, 17104, 187, 1814, 1826, 1845, 1847, 1851, 1884, 1894, 1940, 1965, 1990, 1993, 204, 206, 2053, 2057, 2063, 214, 2116, 2119, 2121, 2130, 2131, 2144, 2156, 2171, 2181, 21105, 225, 2218, 2241, 2246, 2263, 2264, 2265, 2265, 2270, 2318, 2371, 2379, 2384, 23112, 2435, 2441, 2442, 2455, 2457, 2464, 252, 256, 2559, 2563, 267, 2624, 2635, 26152, 26183, 2725, 2748, 2760, 2761, 2762, 2764, 2765, 2769, 2775, 2782, 2787, 284, 285, 286, 2819, 2839, 2857, 2877, 2881, 2881, 2883, 2920, 2922, 2936, 2939, 2940, 2944, 2952, 2956, 2961, 2963, 303, 308, 309, 309, 3018, 3019, 3022, 3024, 3025, 3025, 3026, 3027, 3042, 3050, 3110, 3116, 3118, 3120, 3125, 3126, 3127, 3134, 324, 325, 3210, 3227, 3327, 3327, 3372, 341, 342, 342, 349, 349, 3414, 3422, 3424, 351, 353, 359, 3538, 3539, 3540, 3541, 3543, 3544, 3544, 3633, 3636, 3681, 375, 3810, 3826, 3827, 3828, 3866, 395, 3910, 3921, 3938, 3944, 3946, 3947, 3963, 3967, 3968, 3969, 3974, 4021, 4021, 4026, 4029, 4057, 4064, 4075, 4082, 4082, 419, 4111, 4115, 4139, 424, 425, 4211, 4212, 4227, 4229, 4231, 4242, 4249, 4253, 439, 4310, 4360, 4382, 4384, 4385, 447, 4429, 4438, 453, 455, 4513, 4522, 4527, 4536, 4537, 463, 464, 4620, 4623, 4633, 4710, 4722, 484, 487, 4814, 4916, 4918, 504, 507, 5038, 5044, 5120, 5123, 5148, 5236, 5331, 5332, 5412, 5510, 5529, 5533, 564, 571, 572, 574, 574, 575, 5710, 5717, 5721, 5722, 587, 591, 5924, 611, 621, 6210, 637, 641, 643, 644, 6512, 6715, 6716, 6724, 6914, 7014, 7117, 7119, 7126, 7210, 7212, 7314, 7320, 7725, 786, 7837, 7930, 8026, 843, 859, 8612, 8820, 8921, 916, 991, 992
Lane's Lexicon, Volume 1, pages 84, 85, 86
should be "heart-ache"
take off your shoes- is a metaphorical expression for making the heart vacant from care of worldly relations(p 569 Qd)
Na'laika your both worldly relations/shoes.......
You don't translate metaphorically. You take the metaphorical understanding from what the (literal) words are supposed to be.
Wada To pay the blood money, pay a fine as expiation for human life, compensate for murder.(p 605 Qd)
Tuwan , you check that.
wadi has the preposition bi attatched to it. So if you were to translate it as 'compensate for murder'. You'd have to translate it as 'with/in compensate for murder'. I need not tell you how ridiculous this sounds.
Also, where did Moses commit murder twice?
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Peace,
You got the wrong root and page number. The correct page number is 19. You are looking under Ra-Dad-Ya, which is incorrect. You posted Ardza (wrong root-Alif Ra Dad Alif), the correct root for Ardh in 521 is Alif Ra Dad. It is one of the most common roots in The Reading.
In Qd its either aradza (p19) or Ardz - who is to say which is correct???
using lanes you can use either root as the meanings are there in both
page 49 of lanes (using your root) - A man lowly or naturally disposed to good or to do good.
And that is the Disposition we need to have always.
You don't translate metaphorically. You take the metaphorical understanding from what the (literal) words are supposed to be.
you must translate the metaphorical expression to get the true meaning- and not translate the words in a metaphor.
Br. see what the metaphor is in Qd and then translate - if you like.
wadi has the preposition bi attatched to it. So if you were to translate it as 'compensate for murder'. You'd have to translate it as 'with/in compensate for murder'. I need not tell you how ridiculous this sounds.
Sorry i can't accept Arabic Grammer as they can make monkeys from men - it is faulty.
Also, where did Moses commit murder twice?
Okay.
Have you heard
" " Son of the Road.(Qd)"Bunayaat Altareeq" The small roads that branch off from the main Road.
Moses killed two people. As i see.
527 The two sons of Adam.
What is Adam. Look at the root "Dam'un" blood.
"Damyia" to bleed.
put the Alif in front and you have the one causing the blood to flow.
In this case Moses is the cause or Adam.
Different people are Adams in different places.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13178.msg109500#msg109500
But to you is your way and to me mine- no hard feelling my brother.
God be with you.
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oops i posted this in my concerning qibla reply and i meant for it to be here
simple there was a song in the 80s to go along with the movie footloose, also called footloose, sang by kenny loggins... it had a line in it "kick off your sunday shoes" used metaphorically to mean leave your troubles behind
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Hi Aron,
"kick off your sunday shoes"
Pity is that Aron people ain't correcting these things in the quran - and some believe in them literally. hypno
God Bless Br.
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I dont get what you mean here. Can you clarify as to how the grammar forces this meaning of "can make monkeys from men"?
In the quran it says sticks changed to snakes and men changed to monkeys the ocean split into two , all this is in accordance to your grammer Br.
I think i rather stay within bounds of reality then what the Grammer may envisage.
Gods Blessings.
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Salaam simple
Beware of transferring expressions between languages. After all, "kick off your shoes" is/maybe an English expression. In Arabic, it could be "change you threshold" or something else, but not "take off your shoes".
Might it be that some Arab experts lack something in the language?
See page 569 of the quranic dictionary , that is where "take of shoes" is mentioned.
God Bless.
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In the quran it says sticks changed to snakes and men changed to monkeys the ocean split into two , all this is in accordance to your grammer Br.
I think i rather stay within bounds of reality then what the Grammer may envisage.
You seem to be confusing what grammar is.
For example, if the rules of grammar are followed and someone using such a translation or the Arabic Quran itself reads "be ye apes" they may take this literally to mean they turned into actual apes, or they may take it metaphorically to mean they took on the characteristics of apes. Both could be correct theoretically, thus the difference is in the understanding/interpretation, nothing to do with the grammar in this case.
Perhaps what you more correctly mean is the tashkeel/vocalisation marks, and you somehow feel these restrict the meaning and skew it towards what you consider to be out with the bounds of reality in some cases. If we remove the tashkeel/vocalisation then that does give the possible translations/interpretations a wider scope. This is a fair point. However, this is not what you are doing.
In another thread, you dismissed the letter "ba" when it was used as "bi" (meaning "with/in", thus, puting the question of tashkeel/vocalisation aside, you wish to ignore letters too. This is unacceptable. The only way it would be acceptable is for you to post a disclaimer before your translations, something like "the following translation of mine ignores the rules of grammar, cross-referencing and even some parts of the Arabic text in The Quran". Of course, you as well as I know that if you were to do this no-one would take you seriously.
Please clarify your position with regards to the above.
Thanks.
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I don't take your or anybodies grammer as my god.
but i think will try and pay more attention to it now and then.
I believe the secret isn't in the grammer at all but finding what the meanings of words where 1400 years ago That is the ideal way - 100% fool proof.
But if we had a compendium of Arabic Metaphors that would be a great Asset as well.
Thanks Br.
Gods Blessings on All.
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In Qd its either aradza (p19) or Ardz - who is to say which is correct???
using lanes you can use either root as the meanings are there in both
page 49 of lanes (using your root) - A man lowly or naturally disposed to good or to do good.
Can you actually read arabic ??
In 521 There is NO Alif-ra-Dad-alif (ardza). The word is Alif-Ra-Dad (ardz) hypno So QD didn't have the meanings you were looking for and you went on to Lane's, interesting. And again wrong page number, its page 47.
I would learn how to read the quran before translating it, if i were you.
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Can you actually read arabic ??
In 521 There is NO Alif-ra-Dad-alif (ardza). The word is Alif-Ra-Dad (ardz) hypno So QD didn't have the meanings you were looking for and you went on to Lane's, interesting. And again wrong page number, its page 47.
I would learn how to read the quran before translating it, if i were you.
Sorry mate
can't read full stop.
elektro
I am glad some one can voodoo
Thanks.
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simple,
In my previous message I pointed out it wasn't a case of grammar. Also, you ignored what I wanted you to clarify.
I believe the secret isn't in the grammer at all but finding what the meanings of words where 1400 years ago That is the ideal way - 100% fool proof.
But if we had a compendium of Arabic Metaphors that would be a great Asset as well.
Why would finding the meanings of words help you if you are happy to ignore letters in the Arabic Quran? In any case, there is such a book if you wish to improve the quality of your so-called "translations"
http//www.amazon.com/Verbal-Idioms-Quran-Michigan-Middle/dp/0932098215/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202589361&sr=1-1
I have the above book. It may not contain a complete list however.
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simple,
In my previous message I pointed out it wasn't a case of grammar. Also, you ignored what I wanted you to clarify.
Let me explain- when you want to translate between two language ,as i see, the only way is to comprehend the message and then translate it so
in English you say " with gods help" in Urdu you say " Allah ki maddad se" the English has three words and Urdu has four.
Sometimes you may be adding words or subtracting words and to argue over things which don't change the overall message is a waste of time.
Grammer doesn't matter the message does.
Just think if the wording changed to "with Joe's help"
Why would finding the meanings of words help you if you are happy to ignore letters in the Arabic Quran? In any case, there is such a book if you wish to improve the quality of your so-called "translations"
see above.
http//www.amazon.com/Verbal-Idioms-Quran-Michigan-Middle/dp/0932098215/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202589361&sr=1-1
I have the above book. It may not contain a complete list however.
Thanks- you're a gent.
002.065
And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath We said to them "Be you abject/mean, despised and rejected."(hope you know which word here is apes)
So swindling with cunning - that is transgressing, how will people see such a person , won't he be mean,despised, rejected?
meanings of words matter a great deal..........to me anyway.
Thanks.
God Bless All.
