BIG BIG BIG BIG SINFUL ACT!
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Peace to all,
Kaiwai, again, read what I said, I never said your evil and going to burn in hell, I said I believe its a sin, and only God will judge you , not me, I believe its a sin becuase it is against nature and Gods laws, I actually believe in God, and I actually believe he commands some things and forbids others, homosexuality is one of them, but since these are Gods rules i will try to live by them according to my conscience, and you by yours. If you think its ok to be gay then fine for you, but keep it private please. What do you say to those people that are pedophiles then, what if they say they were born with an atrraction to children and its not there fault, so should we al embrace the pedophiles and say we understand, just do whatever makes you happy, no we dont, we punish them. Or what do you thin about people that like to have sex with animals, do you think this is ok too, since theyre atrracted to animals and want to have sex wit them should we allow it? Please, why dont you use a little reason and try to control yourself and your urges, pray to God to help you.
Kurt
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kaiwai,
so its progressive to be gay? Did you notice the title of this post,, a BIG BIG BIG SIN, we should be trying to help people like brother Ammar who is reaching out for help since he feels he committed a sin and wants our advice,, dont hijack this thread and turn it into a gay rights issue, and dont attack the rest of us because we dont want to hear your queer stories, stick to the topic.
Kurt
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Peace Kaiwai,
What do you mean by progressive? Does progressive mean we try and twist the linguistics around to try and satisfy what we want and what we think is right (ie I know what is best, My reasoning and my logic is foolproof, I encompass everything with my knowledge and know all the factors on any given topic?)
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Peace to all,
Kaiwai, again, read what I said, I never said your evil and going to burn in hell, I said I believe its a sin, and only God will judge you , not me, I believe its a sin becuase it is against nature and Gods laws, I actually believe in God, and I actually believe he commands some things and forbids others, homosexuality is one of them, but since these are Gods rules i will try to live by them according to my conscience, and you by yours. If you think its ok to be gay then fine for you, but keep it private please. What do you say to those people that are pedophiles then, what if they say they were born with an atrraction to children and its not there fault, so should we al embrace the pedophiles and say we understand, just do whatever makes you happy, no we dont, we punish them. Or what do you thin about people that like to have sex with animals, do you think this is ok too, since theyre atrracted to animals and want to have sex wit them should we allow it? Please, why dont you use a little reason and try to control yourself and your urges, pray to God to help you.
Kurt
Oh f***ing hell, not this again; my attraction to members of the same sex has nothing to do with pedophilia. How dare you equate me with pedophile, you disgusting perverted creature. How dare you compare me to a person who destroys the lives of innocent children and whose only lust is sexual gratification. How dare you.
My homosexuality doesn't enter into the same ball park; I have sex with people whom of a consenting age (interesting enough I prefer guys who are older than me), I am attracted to masculinity - none of those things have anything to do with pedophilia.
The issue I have with you is YOUR demand that YOUR interpretation holds more credence than mine - I don't make such a statement. I simply state that this is how I view it, but who is right and who is wrong, I'll leave that up to God. As long as YOU accept like I do, that we are falliable humans, subject to mistakes, I see nothing wrong with you holding a different view than I.
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Peace Kaiwai
Again, depends on whether you consider homosexuality a conscious choice or a born trait. That will dictate how you view the scripture - where do you stand on the matter?
If you follow the quran the quran propounds that men and women marry and that otherwise adultery and fornication is forbidden. If marriage is between a man and a woman how do you condone homosexuality? Fornication and adultery are forbidden. Two men cannot get married according to the quran, nor two women.
Joe
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Peace Kaiwai
are there any progressive muslims here or have a I fallen into Saudi Arabia?
The idea is to understand the quran according to it's meaning, not our own impressed meaning onto it. Therefore unlike Traditional muslims, where there is no structure for a 5 time daily prayer as they have in the quran, salaat is NOT that. We are to burn the chaff, not add on things to the quran like other people have done. If you do not agree with the quran on this issue than you have that right and I see that you do not believe in the quran. This forum is for people to learn what the quran teaches.
Joe
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Peace Kaiwai
The idea is to understand the quran according to it's meaning, not our own impressed meaning onto it. Therefore unlike Traditional muslims, where there is no structure for a 5 time daily prayer as they have in the quran, salaat is NOT that. We are to burn the chaff, not add on things to the quran like other people have done. If you do not agree with the quran on this issue than you have that right and I see that you do not believe in the quran. This forum is for people to learn what the quran teaches.
Joe
And again, that is YOUR interpretation. May I suggest that you stop being so arrogant.
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Yes but for some strange reason it attracts people who don't even want to follow it brickwall
Perhaps we should change the name into Ultraliteralist Muslims or something like that.
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Perhaps we should change the name into Ultraliteralist Muslims or something like that.
lol, ultraliteralist-quranic-minds.org P
edit left out the s in minds
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Peace Kaiwai
And again, that is YOUR interpretation.
According to the quran who is to get married?
May I suggest that you stop being so arrogant.
I might suggest that you take it easy there. The quran has currents of thought that should not be deviated from.
Joe
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Yes but for some strange reason it attracts people who don't even want to follow it brickwall
Ironic, isn't it? lol
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Ok how bout this,
God had designed us to be attracted to the other sex it's the most natural. But because of the precious free will thing the we got. We are free to do what we want. We can easily be influenced by others if we're not reflecting to the guidance that had been given. Yet we have been told that God don't want us to go against the nature of us human, to go with the same sex (Up to the level of lewdness). So it the end, it's still up to you. Nobody can change it. Whether you want to be thankful and try to find a way to change that current unnatural feeling, or you just forget about what the Creator had told you and do what your lust tells you. If you sincerely ask God i bet he'll show you the way. Don't need to ask us. Its your choice at the end. Remember, stubbornness and lust is among the Ego Group of Companies Ltd. >D. Just don't sell your soul to them. Take it as a test. No fear bro.
Peace.
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Salam,
Respectfully.Homosexuality is a sin, yes, good thing you can see that, which means God is testing you and i believe you are being guided right. Everything we do, say, hear, think, is a test, how will we react, what will we do, say or make of it.
We are test to each other.
Even this forum is a test.
Everything is a test and if we pass, God The Most Powerful rewards us,
if we fail, God the Most High will punish us.We must always think, we must always verify everything, we must always think about the future.
What does Lea Thompson say to Marty McFly in Back To The Future "I hope you're considering the future, mr., Eastwod."
Marty McFly"I think about it all the time."All the time.
May God gives you strength, brother.
I will pray for you.
But you must pray for yourself first.Remember good deeds erase the bad deeds.
Peace.
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Homosexuality is not wrong because it doesn't harm anyone. It is morally acceptable.
Actually, it does do harm, if we're going to be explicit. A lot of people carry the HIV virus without knowing it, for starters, and if I remember correctly it typically resides in the anal canal, and most bodily fluids. Regardless of that, penetration does actually weaken the lining and will more or less open the way for STDs to be transmitted.
Promiscuity does definitely harm people, there is no way out of that. And it is morally reproachable.