Ariel interview with an agel. Anybody read this?
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There is no competition, no right or wrong other than what the human mind fabricates. The goal is to know God. The goal is to find and meet God.
What do you guys think?
Peace Fadhli,
No offense to you Fadhli, but I have a question to the authors of this book. If the authors were poverty stricken in africa and there were tyrants raping their women and stealing their land I highly doubt they would believe this. This goes completely against the Quran and common sense. I ask the authors to bring proof instead make up conjecture. Pharoah followed his Satan's whispers and he concluded he was God!3620 And a man came running from the farthest part of the city, saying "O my people, follow the messengers."
3621 "Follow those who do not ask you for any wage, and are guided."
3622 "And why should I not serve the One who initiated me, and to Him is your ultimate return?"
3623 "Shall I take gods besides Him? If the Almighty intends any harm for me, their intercession cannot help me in the least, nor can they save me."
3624 "Then I would be clearly astray."
3625 "I have believed in your Lord, so listen to me!"These Gurus who publish books. Do ask for a wage. They have no proof and they have no morals (they themselves advocate a world with no morals).
And not only that, if they were to be stricken with hardship, their belief will bring them no comfort, they will reject this partner they have set up.If you believe nothing matters in this world and righteous deeds count for nothing, then I have to say
1096 "To you is your system, and to me is mine."
These people are human and like all humans will call out to God when they face hardship. Whether they are righteous or not will be seen once the hardship has left them.
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Aamalko - These "new age" authors are merely after a wage, what they say is not what they do. I wouldn't go by that as rule of identyfying misguided people. Misguidance may come in all shapes and guises - I personally was more involved with healing my family and wanted to do my work without charging people for it but accpted that I needed some additional strategy to bring me wages and was sincerely trying to think of ways to respectfully do that. Charging people for helping them was never part of my personal consciousness. I'm just saying this to express how not everyone is out to be a crook - it may be that the misguidance they are pursuing - they are just not understanding it for what it is. My 'healing ' chapter' was for one year of my life and there was another previous year spent with my 'conditioning' towards that path. I had set out on the path in order to be a good and 'holy' person with a life purpose for the benefit of other people - and especially because people of all creeds around me did not make sense. If I could see religious people doing me wrong - then something had to be wrong with religion itself and there was my vulnerability in being taken over to the other side.
These people are human and like all humans will call out to God when they face hardship. Whether they are righteous or not will be seen once the hardship has left them. - In my personal experience these people do not call out to God in their hardships - because they are so far from knowing Him. They ignore their hardhsips and fight against the resons for their hardships almost like they are fighting against God. They think they are the owners of their lives and that is why they remain there and continue to go up the same path without any recourse and their misguided ways only strengthen in conviction as part of their comfort strategy.
Then there are certainly those who started out with intentions to gain power - therefore it is their objective giving them success which they become attached to and which sustains them through it. The fear of losing power prevents them from calling on God. Sincerity most usually is not a word that they recognise. This time I say this not from personal expereince of what I was doing but of personal observations of the others that I was attempting to learn from. It is their discrepancies in their being logded in my consciousness that also eventually helped pieces of the bigger picture fit together.
The last point I have to say is that - yes magic does exist and is real and so are many other things - but they are not part of our purpose as decreed by the Quran. I don't beleive that they are part of the straight path. I say this out of direct personal experience - not simply because the Quran says so.
Establish your trade and do good works and abide by the Quran - that I feel is all that is required of us as humans in this day and age.
Fadhli - I would count yourself blessed to have received the explicit guidance presented on this thread before being seriously taken over. I myself was not blessed with any such warnings - I'm sure that had I been - then my conscience would have firmly resolved and I would not have gone there. To the contrary - my loved one supported and encouraged me to go there.
Blessings
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The third category of people - and I dare say that there were three groups of people pertaning to my experience - are the ones who have totally given over to the dark side - that is they have become agents of the dark side almost as if they beilvie in that force whetehr it be wrong or right they do nto care. These are the ones always trying to annhilate fear in people.
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Surah 7 Al Araf V11 ?.not so Iblis; he refused to be of those who bow down V13 (Allah) said ?Get thee down from this it is not for thee to be arrogant here get out, for thou Art the meanest (of creatures).? V14 Give me respite till the day they are raised up.? V15 (Allah) said; ?Be thou amongst those who have respite.? V16 He said ?Because Thou hast thrown me out of the way, Lo I will lie in wait for them on thy straight way V17 ?Then I will assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left?.V20 Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, in order to reveal to them their shame?V21 And he swore to them both that he was their sincere advisor.
Surah 4 Al Nisa V117 (The Pagans) leaving Him call upon but female deities they call upon Satan the persistent rebel. V118 Allah did curse him, but he said ?I will take of thy servants a portion marked off; ? I will mislead them??.and to deface the fair nature created by Allah.? V120 Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but satan?s promises are nothing but deception.
Surah 2 Al Baqarah V102 ?. The evil ones teaching men magic, and such things?? V204 There is a type of man whose speech about this world?s life may dazzle thee, and he calls Allah to witness about what is in his heart; yet he is the most contentious of enemies.
Surah 26 Al Shu ara V221 Shall I inform you, (O people!), on whom it is that the evil ones descend? V222 They descend on every lying wicked person. V223 (into whose ears) they pour hearsay vanities, and most of them are liars?.
Surah 18 Al Kahf V103 Say ?Shall we tell you of those who lose most in respect of their deeds? V104 ?Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life while they thought that they were acquiring good by their works
Surah 12 V106 And most of them believe not In Allah without associating (others as partners) with Him.
Surah 7 Al Araf V3 Follow (O men!) the revelation given unto from your Lord, and follow not as friends or protectors, other than Him?.V33 Say the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners against Allah, for which He has given no authority?..
Surah 22 Al Hajj V11 There are among men some who serve Allah. As it were on the verge. If good befalls them they are therewith, well content; but if a trial comes to them, they turn on their faces; they lose both this world and the hereafter; that is loss for all to see! V12 They call on such deities besides Allah, as can neither Hurt nor profit them; That is straying far indeed from the way!
Surah 22 Al Hajj V11 There are among men some who serve Allah. As it were on the verge. If good befalls them they are therewith, well content; but if a trial comes to them, they turn on their faces; they lose both this world and the hereafter; that is loss for all to see! V12 They call on such deities besides Allah, as can neither Hurt nor profit them; That is straying far indeed from the way!V13 (Perhaps they call on one whose hurt is nearer Than his profit; evil, indeed, Is the patron, and evil the companion (for help) V31 Being true in faith to Allah. And never assigning partners to Him if anyone assigns partners to Allah, he is As if he had fallen from heaven and been snatched up by birds or the wind had swooped and thrown him In to a far-distant place. V54 And that those on whom Knowledge has been bestowed may learn that the Quran is the truth From thy Lord, and that they may believe therein,and their hearts may be made humbly (open) to it for verily Allah is The Guide of those who believe to the straight Way. V62 That is because Allah ? He Is the Reality, and those besides Him whom they invoke ? They are but vain Falsehood Verily Allah is He, Most High, Most Great. V21 Yet they worship, besides Allah., things for which no authority has been sent down to them, and of which they have (really) no knowledge; For those that do wrong there is no helper. V78 And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline) He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you In religion it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is he who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witness for mankind! So establish regular prayer, Give regular charity, And hold fast to Allah! He is your Protector ? The best to protect And the best to help!
Surah 18 V103 Say ?Shall we tell you of those who lose most in respect of their deeds? V104 ?Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life while they thought that they were acquiring good by their works
Surah 6 Al Anam V93 Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against Allah, or said, ?I have received inspiration.? When he hath received none, or (again) who saith??? V56 Say ?I am forbidden to worship those ? other than Allah ? whom ye call upon.? Say ?I will not follow your vain desires if I did I would stray from the path, and be not of the company of those who receive guidance.
Surah 5 Al Maidah V3 This is day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favour to you
Surah 6 Al Anam V100 Yet they make the Jinns equals with Allah, though Allah did create the Jinns? V112 Likewise did We make for every messenger an enemy ? evil ones among men and Jinns, inspiring each other with flowery discourses by way of deception?
Surah 10 Yunus V107 If Allah doth touch thee with hurt, there is none can remove it but He If he doth design some benefit for thee, there is none can keep back his favour He causeth it to reach whomsoever of His servants He pleaseth?
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Please, comment more, I'm not offended, for me it's healthy for my experience and brings balance to my mind. I just want to hear other comments and thoughts on this. Maybe someone who had read that book.
To allmakto please check the first link that i gave about the book. The writer is there. FYI, that's the first book and the only one that i bought about spirituality. Please don't be wicked by demanding proofs about God's blessings and creations. Even if he showed solid proofs, you still won't believe it. So no point of asking proofs. It's either you want to reflect or reject. I do believe character that being interviewed in the book is not from a man, it's from something that is not known to us.
Yes i do admit that they are gaining profits out of that book. That's why we should not follow him. And that book can become deities. Even that Ariel can become deities. Yes i agree people can easily misunderstand this and in the end call upon that channeler or Ariel for help instead of God. Whereas the message there is to submit to God. Just like in Muhammad or Jesus times. When they conveyed God's message, people followed them. It's ok for Muhammad's followers to follow him because God say's so. But after he died, they started to idolize him and make him as deiteis to be called upon. But think about it. If you're a Christian at that time. Really believe to the teachings. I'm pretty sure you'll think Muhammad's call to submit to God is false. It is from satan, it's magic, tale's of the past, just a poetry, you'd want to reject it. Yes Muhammad did not seek wage. But there is a verse in Quran that says to give contribution when meeting Muhammad. (please help me clarify, i forgot where the verse is). What would you think if you hear those kinds of verse (imagine that you are the unbelievers)? surely those disbelievers would think that they are just false, just making money for their own interest, seeking popularity etc. So to simplify, those hardcore Christians/Jews (people of the scripture) would simply reject those Quran revelations at that time except a few who reflect. So would Quran aloners/free-minders/19'ers (people of the scriptures) now would reject any new revelations? I believe messenger is not the last, only prophet.
From my observation. That book is first published in 1994. If you search on Google, you won't find much about it. Maybe because it's old, or unpopular now. And that's the only recorded interview that they had. I don't know why they did not published a series of interview of it. That channeler guy is making money by training people about IET(TM). Some kind of energy healing training. Even the interviewer, had it's own publications (Edin Publications). Not much book that she sells. And they're not that known to people, only among those energy healing kinda guys. And humandesign seemed to not know this guy and this book yet right?
I'm not into magic or channeling stuff. I don't even know how to do it. I did tried myself to connect subconsciously, but i can't, even tried telephatic, telekenisis, seek the knowledge of future all those cool magic stuff, but it didn't happen (maybe someday -[). I don't have 50 books or more or magical experiences. I just want to reflect what God wanted to show us. And not create a line just inside Quran boundaries. There's more inside Quran and others scriptures that we did not see. For example what do you guys think about Hajj? Previously after i came to free-mind, i think the sunnis/shias are mistaken. Mecca is not the place of Hajj, Kaaba is not the qibla etc based on the articles that i read. It's all about showing other people mistakes, telling that we are right they are wrong, and maybe be proud of it. But after i reflect a bit (after reading that book), i came to see the hidden message behind it. The true purpose is to take a journey, face the hardships, restrictions, sacrifices and at the end face the God and be thankful for the help and provisions that He gave. I'm sure you gonna feel very peaceful, very close to Him, because all the tiredness of running, collecting money to go to Mecca, shaving head, and all other rituals. These rituals, must not be done if you're not sincere to do it for God. Or do it because other people says so, or afraid that the Hajj would nulled if disobey the restrictions. But we must feel the rituals, or create our own rituals, be creative, or maybe innovate with the intention of wanted to show God that you're thankful to Him, appreciative that He had created you and give all the blessings that you could live up to this time and be able to get close to Him. I came to this thinking when I accidentally read a Bible about King David at the last chapter. It's written that he had created temples, statues, made of Gold, onyx, etc and make sacrifices and feed it's citizens with it (he's rich, so he's capable to do that). He got rid of his stinginess of this worldly desires with the intention of showing to God his appreciation to Him, his thankfulness to Him. Just like Muhammad in Quran about Hajj, or Abraham, or others that has the same intention. For us we might see it as contradicting rituals. But for them it's their personal biggest offer to God that they could think if. To show God their appreciation and reverence to Him.
Those verses that you showed, i could just reverse it back to you. See what i mean? I could just write just like the bold text that you make it bold. My intention is same like yours, reminding. So to reflect, I guess in the end we have our own believe and way to show our appreciation to Him. So i want to respect your belief. But i do want to offer more. Just in case anybody wanted it. Kinda like, i just show the door, you have to walk through it. And for the book, at first i was thinking of plagirizing it and paste it here and cut his profits. But i guess it's better to think that they deserve their reward for publishing that book (sincere or not, let God judge them). And only a sincere person who wanted to understand it would buy it. Remember, money is just a worldly desires, it's just a piece of paper, don't become stingy. But with a sincere intention to God, that piece of paper of our worldly value, will become ten folds reward from the God. Spend it also for other good cause. Plus it is copyrighted. So to obey the ulul amr's, i guess better not copy and publicize it without permission.
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Nobody is saying that the current interpretation of the Quran is the only interpretation or that it is thoroughly correct. We are free to examine and understand it in line with our levels of consciousness.
You kept asking for quotes and when I give it - instead of taking them seriously you tell me that you could just as easily turn it around on me. This is not about me - you were enquiring about the reading and taking seriously of the matter of Ariel and I was responding to that.
Even I have in the main tried to give my own life examples and tried to direct you to common sense.
It appears as though you already had your mind made up and are not open to listening.
I'm afraid that to me you appear to be deaf and blinded as has been warned in the Quran. Take offense if you will - but I prefer to be honest.
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Concerning the quotes, I was expecting quotes or sayings (not from quran) from your experience of channeling and magics (any satanic mantra) that make you thought it was from satan. Just examples. Doesn't have to be specific. Did you remember any? I apologize, i guess i'm not clear on the words earlier. My bad
Funny huh, and i thought you were blind and deaf. I guess that's a good thing that we're are already holding at the rope of Allah.
It's not kinda made up my mind. It's kinda like evolved . Though it can still change, it takes time. But i guess everybody will experience it. I sincerely want thank you for your concerns and replies.
Peace
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Here is a sequence of my personal events if it may help shed more light
I sought for understanding outside of religion - because I felt the meaning of life had to be more than the hypocrisy that I saw the Muslims around me living.
I came to new age stuff in the name of spirituality and oneness - (inclusive of many books talking about angel expereinces, channelling etc) Gurus preaching humanitarian aims, healing techniques and natural living teachings. I still believed in God and felt that everything was being directed to Him.
I came to meet the AUTHORS IN PERSON - I was able to witness first-hand HOW THE AUTHORS/Gurus/teachers LACKED IN INTEGRITY. I came to know and understand that you can not judge a book by it's contents - because you do not get to see the source/author for who they really are - whether or not they are living their life with integrity. And when you do see that they are not of integrity, then how can you trust entirely what they are saying?
Anyhow I reasoned that nothing is black and white - I could take the good and leave the bad. I signed on and received intiatiations from them and ultimately allowed them to program with me with their conjecture. It was also harder for me to stay true to my conscience as I then also married someone who was following a Guru and so if I ever turned to him with any questions he would direct me away from my doubts.
I continued with the new age appraoches. They preached that we are masters of our own being and so only we ouselves are to blame for any failures - failures to do exactly as they decree. I kept accumulating one after the other, different new age ways in my 'portfolio of ways to higher being' and felt this to be an endless task. All of them preached with a different slant - there is no such thing as all of the authors being completely united - they all held contradictions to each other - meaning that they all sought following each of themselves only - whoever it was that you were listening to - if you wanted to be a sincere student and follower you would not be able to follow all of them. But if you want to remain an 'open' person working to 'perceive' from the outside then you naturally want to see and engage with the all of the world. then the question remains - should not truth be all encompassing such that no contradictions remain - to this they mention about endless probabilities and dual worlds.
But I came upon defintie stumbling blocks - their philosphy had major holes, the methods were not simple - whether I was practicing myself or for others - the methods did not bring miraculaous success so thereby I became trapped in such matter continuously engaging for the sake of reaching that point of success. Throughout this process the holes in their philosopies just keep getting bigger and bigger in my consciousness and I sought to address them in the ways that I knew how but still staying in line with following of spiritual truths (new ageism).
I had also previously been healthy but I seemed to be developing unexplained illnesses - their reasoning is that you are not doing enough or are not doing their stuff right. So you just get trapped in engaging with it all more fervently. I also was able to note first hand the immediate psychological effects after healing people - they reduced in morality. I was supposed to be channeling from higher vibrationary forces and using angels. They will say it is only temporary type of reaction to bring out true characters of people before it subsides. Anyhow - for me this was a major puzzle peice that fit together at the end.
Eventually I reached a plateau of supernatural experiences that shook my entire being such that I felt so spiritually lost like never before. I was in deeep existential turmoil. I had tried to only do good and yet I faced such unreassuring experiences. At that point I cried to God and then the inner voice directed me to the meaning of the words of the first verse of the Quran 'You alone do we worship and you alone do we ask for help' This was the most significant point. As I embraced the words over and over again and as I did so I felt releif and healed from the 'bionic 'state I was in. Whenever the expereinces started coming to me I would repeat the verse and feel relief.
I reasearched with determination on the matter I was engaged in and was led to definitons of the occult for the first time. I came to understand that what I thought were angels may be satan in disguise and I realised how angels were not MEANT TO BE UPON but God alone - 'YOU ALONE DO WE ASK FOR HELP'. I considered if I needed to have some kind of spiritual cleansing done on me by a Christian or Muslim priest but then I was again reminded of 'You alone do we ask for help'. So I persisted with that and have done and felt major relief. I then began 'seeing' Muslim visions which I instantly rejected as I felt I could no longer trust my 'supernatural sense'. With the 'God alone' realisation I came to understand how many things in life had become contrary to that - such as medication and all therapies. What was needed was to honour the human design that God had created us with instead of messing about with our bodies and minds.
I researched on the net for a 'God alone' group and I came to this forum. Thereafter I was directed to read up on the Quran. As I did so - many things made sense - yet issues remained such as hajj and sacrificing of animals etc. I had been aware of translations of the Quran being subjective but did not realise the extent of it until I have more recently come to read about Aidid's website. I am currently investigating this. I am grateful to God for the way my eyes are opening.
I give thanks to God that my health has been restored and have not felt as good since before I embarked on the healing matter over a year ago. I have no issues in life at the moment other than trying to find what to do with my life that is in line with my conscience and ethics and will also enable me to live with society.
I hope that helps shed more light.
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Just one other point of emphasis -
Angels are not meant to be called upon - but God alone - 'YOU ALONE DO WE ASK FOR HELP'. Rather angels are sent by God's instructions to carry out His decree after you have requested for God's help. The good thing with calling on God alone is that then there can be no confusion about mixing up Angels with satan in disguise.
That is my current level of understanding.
I think I have covered now as much as I needed to say. I have no interest in referencing the specific satanic mantras and do see the harm in it rather than the point of it.
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Interesting story. Thank you for sharing it with us. Seems like the major hole in that is it has some kind of a ritual right? surely it involves calling upon other deities? And the side effect (moral change) seems like some kind of jinn has attached to that patient. Or maybe the patient itself is weak in spirit. Does it involve blood? I guess the problem is at where the focal point is at when calling. Focal point should be to God alone. And not to angels (might accidentally be satan), or the master or deceased master.
I read some verses in Levicitus, Most of the rituals to give offerings to God involve blood of the Livestock (Ram or Cattle). And strictly to God only not to Idol or Molten God (at that time is the golden calf). I guess that is God demand (through Moses) to the children of Israel after releasing them from Egypt. All those wonders (Snake, frogs, blood river, plagues etc), requires a lot of faith power i guess ) .
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There is no ritual involved with being a healer - once you are initaited you can place your hands on the area or issue to be healed and as if by magic the energies flow through the hands. No there is no blood involved.
But I was not talking about only the healing appraoch having holes in it - I am talking about all of the entire new age appraoches and theories and teachers/gurus. My experience is not limited to just being a healer but to the whole world of New age approaches to mind body and soul connection. All of the people had holes in them all of the theories and appraoches had holes in them! I am feeling also that you are not heeding the words of the others when you are limiting it all to just because of some sort of ritual that I may have followed.
However in terms of being a healer I did opt to employ a process - I have almost forgotten what I used to do - but breifly - The beleif was in one God the first and foremost assistance was requested God and then to ANY angels who may want to come and assist to do their work. There were no mention of any specif angel names - it was just a general request. In the healing process the calling was to the universal energy rather than God - though it started by requesting to God for help.
Yes - by such a process the jinn is likely to have come attached.
Initially I held the questions/doubts about waht I was getting in to but I beleiveds I was later programmed off from it by many differnt and deliberate angles (due to everything I wa engaiging in). I do beleive that there is a bigger darker force underplaying it all - meaning there are likely to be agents that have totally submitted to the dark side and are working to realise their original challenge to God.
And so I say to you - we really have no idea who Ariel really is - do we? In my last post when I was refering to not calling upon angels it was meant in reference to Ariel.
Lets also not ignore that I was born as a Muslim - and always believed in one God - so calling upon any diety would never have been part of my consciousness. But obviously it is not hard for satan to get clever and mislead people by deceit. Also - I would include various Quranic prayers in my daily practices - such as the first verse of the Quran and the Christian prayer 'Our father thou art in heaven'.
Perhaps it is because of these prayers that helped to take me out of it. Though I did not realise the true significance of 'You alone do we seek help' until the end expereince. In any case the end point made me realise far more many things than I could have ever realised by simple study of all of theese matters. I was studying natural health, nutrition, chinese medicine etc etc with the aim of becoming a natural health practitioner. And so when I am talking about God alone I really and truly am talking against the submitting to all the different systems invented by man - mental health theories; medical treatments (bar say emergency surgery procedures - though perhaps a true submitter would perhaps submit To God's will and die!), instituitionalised education etc etc. They are not in line with the natural human design way of living our life - which is really all that is required to stay free of problems in our life - whether health wise or mental wise.
Also it is easy to say that such and such may become a God and idol but we fail to realise that the act of our paying attention to it in itself is what makes it that way - not some eventual tangible activity or ritual. And this is because it has an implication - it is taking to you step by step closer to the dark side and 'sucking' your attention that could be utilised in more 'pure' attentive work.
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Here's some of my responses to the original material you have posted about what Ariel has said
The Ego that drives fear, pride, greed and all that negative things. That makes us want to rank people. Label people as good and evil. right or wrong. Cower ourselves, runaway from reality etc.
The Quran advocates that people?s behaviours do need to be judged and challenged (particualrly when they are engaging in injustice). In my days of new agism I tried to not judge people - but you end up feeling crazy in situations that just do not feel right, yet you feel trapped to stay quiet and bear it all.
And it claims that movie E.T. was of they're inspiration (call it divine).
E. T was directed and produced by Spielberg. This name is Jewish ? in any case - if this film was of divine inspiration why is Spielberg with all his power not effectively and directly putting a stop to the wars going on? In my expereince people already blinded have a hard enough time understanding direct messages - understanding messages about love with aliens is a far cry. I do beleive that we are commanded in the Quran to be direct (enter not through the back doors) and lets not forget the movie made lots of money.
Aliens (they don't like the term alien) do exist. They're just waiting the right time to say hi to us. Cuz most of us now would be scared and may attack them back if seen.
No ? because they may in fact be from the dark side and by saying this they are trying to lower your defences to accept them. So ? when I started having my third-eye scary expereinces ? I tried my best to dispel the fear I was feeling with it and accept it all as part of 'not fearing the unknown' ? until the end experience when I realised that the concpt of 'no fear' was not just a fallacy but part of a dark plan.
Too bad Linda didn't ask about Islam and Quran and the Judgment day cuz they're from Christian background and its 1994.
Had this been asked - most likely a positive answer would have been given ? so to dispel fear and lower the defence mechanism of ?Muslims?
and are blinded (they cannot influence people who does not sincerely belief, ego manifested)
They are saying that it is not possible to have egoless people not buying in to their conjecture. It is only those people with egos who will not buy in to them. This is nothing different to the cult strategy employed by New age gurus and teachers - the psychological strategy of guilt - that you can only be a good when you are with them. Also defeinitely in the matter of people's behaviours - the world is not black and white ? anything is always possible ? so I would not trust anyone who categorises people with ' if A then C' behaviours. Perhaps I know this only if because of all the stereoptypes that I have not been able to fit in to.
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huh - did I say love with aliens??? ???
HMMmmmm..... more than likely that was just another fear reduction excercise rather than preaching for 'love is all around us'. >D
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Hmm a lot to say, i don't know where to start. But from your experiences, seems like that third eye is scary. And a lot of dark side things in your experiences. I can feel the darkness looming when reading your post. So basically I don't want to argue with you nor uphold things that i have no knowledge or experience of. So what i say is just what my humanly consciousness can comprehend now. Hopefully i could clear some things in my mind.
And so I say to you - we really have no idea who Ariel really is - do we? In my last post when I was reffering to not calling upon angels it was meant in reference to Ariel.
I don't know or haven't seen any channeling of an angel, but we also don't know who or what Gabriel is right? How did it contacted Muhammad during his time, is it continuously or sometimes. But there some verses that tells us that their followers are waiting for any verses of decision coming (somewhere on sura 9). But the process is somewhat happened when the person is meditating sincerely or in a situation where he don't know what to do. One thing that I'm not clear about Muhammad is why did he went to cave Hira' at the first time? It is easy for us to accept Quran? What if the Quran itself is a part of the dark plan since we believe that it came from angel Gabriel? Look at those Shias and Sunnis. They are fighting among themselves. And the hating towards Jews and Christian is unbelievable (from our perspective). I was a Sunni, previously i have no doubt on hating towards Jews and Christians cuz I cannot question about it. But now I can't hate anybody, nor willing to hate anybody cuz we are all came from the same origin. The Creator.
But obviously it is not hard for satan to get clever and mislead people by deceit.
Yes it's not hard for them. They can whisper to us anywhere anytime. Not just while healing or meditating. Correct? Like they can whisper evil to any political leaders, and it could cause a ripple where their followers are kinda like hypnotized by it and followed them. It's easy for them to influence us when we didn't remember the God. And it's easy for God to harden our heart to forget Him too (that's scary). Those who already forget about God has already become their agents, so to speak.
The point is, like what you did now is good. We are getting aware of the satan's deceit. But not all are satan's deceit. I admit i still have a long way to go. God willing maybe i have to experience what you had experienced. Or maybe not. But i don't think i should stop here. I'd also like to see the God's creation. One thing for sure, i won't find any Guru or Master to learn (not about New age, but about His creation). I'll just ask God to teach me (if He willed) and ask for His refuge (if He willed). That's the right thing to do right?
And so when I am talking about God alone I really and truly am talking against the submitting to all the different systems invented by man - mental health theories; medical treatments (bar say emergency surgery procedures - though perhaps a true submitter would perhaps submit To God's will and die!), instituitionalised education etc etc. They are not in line with the natural human design way of living our life - which is really all that is required to stay free of problems in our life - whether health wise or mental wise.
Erm maybe i'm wrong, but how do you define natural human design? Is your scope are on natural medicine? Spritual medicine? or is it just asking God for help? I hope i'm not doubting God's power, but most people got stuck in this illusion/image that we call reality. Medicine is one of God's creations. There are many types of medicine that we can use. But one must realize, even the most expensive medicine, if God does not willed that it happen, it won't. Even Quran says, dates and honey is one of the medicine.
Is every human invented systems actually came from man? Is it not from inspiration? ideas? or from the sincerety to understand and help others? All those mental, medical health things are part of our evolution. Without it, i don't think we could evolved up to what we are now. Of course God loves those who submit to His will. But only a few have willed to Submit to Him, others are attached to this worldly desires. But still there will be at some point (those whom God wills), they had to ask only to God because they felt they had no other choices. Like what you did, you've won already.
And death, only those who experienced it knows. But most of them can't get back to tell the tale. When the time comes we'll know.
For the second post,
About judging, we had to judge, It's our nature. Like you said, we are naturally living our life. But the problem is, how do we know that what we are judging is the right one? Like i said earlier, we have to understand how this works (i.e what is fear, what is love etc.) to understand what we judge is the correct one or not. And Quran also advices to judge with equal measures. That is what i'm trying to do. To see all the good and the bad. And judge based on the findings that i've seen, heard or read.
All and all, what you shared from your experience is unique by itself. I really appreciate your willing to share with us about it. Those experiences that you felt seems traumatizing to me. I want to reflect it, maybe i'll learn something about it. I've said what i needed to say. I guess we better not argue with further. It makes us forgot where we should focus ourselves on. Better "utilise it on more 'pure' attentive work". Right? )
May God bless us.
Thanks
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Thankyou for highlighting me to some issues to reflect on more deeply.
What if the Quran itself is a part of the dark plan since we believe that it came from angel Gabriel?
well I am sorry abotu this situation - but I already got there before you - remember I was the one who first highlighted this as possible ambiguity? And I also answered it - the system (of mainly following one God) described within the Quran both saved me from what I expereinced and aswell saves me from turning to those satanic ways. So again I say it was a thought that came to me after my last experience but when I eventually looked in to the guidance from the Quran many things becamse clear and I could really see how I had been lost before. Secondly teh divinity, the miracle of the Quran I easily see is contained within itself in it's messages and in it's righteousness. I don't see the same with Ariel or with others - they have many discrepancies as what I have tried to highlight in this thread.
I did meditation 99% everyday for over a year before the 'healing' chapter in my life. I am talking about transcendental meditation not just sitting quietly. I also happen to know of personally many people still engaged in such ways. In my personal opnion - mediation does not lift a person morally higher - you can go places and download information and you can feel 'differnet' but it does not compensate for the moral conscious system advocated for in the Quran. . Though it's possible that meditation may reduce a persons morality through the attachment of jinn etc.
It's good that you feel you can't hate anyone - but I feel that inline with the Quranic guidance you should hate a person's behaviours if they are behaviours of injustice towards another person.
Yes I guess satan can attack from anywhere not just in meditation or from following other's conjecture -but following the system of the Quran would allow for the best damge limitation.
In my personal experience political leaders are not interested in listening to God - they are interested in God listening to them so that they may bring their personal agenda to fruition - whether that be a humanitarian or power based goal it does not matter.
Don't get me wrong - many people have helped towards good change in this world. But ultimately there is a difference between thinking that you have all the answers for yourself or otherwise 'submitting' to God's will and His system...
I am not against going to see God's creation - as I advocated before - seek knowledge but I would not advocate for the seeking of man-made interpretation/theory. The Quran advocates for observation.
I don't think that anybody will claim that they are new age - it is just a term that I have used to identify the current satanic movement on the whole.
My definition of Natural Human Design Avoiding problems before they occur. I.e why does person feel ill usually because something has been wrong in the diet or lifestyle or thinking. Prevention rather than cure so I am not really a beleiver in conventional medicine - just a beleiver in right living as a cure in itself.
Obeying the laws of nature - sleeping when we feel seepy, not suppressing our urge to go to the toilet when we feel like it, eating natural food as per want/desire rather than rules on how to eat what to eat when to eat it. Eating whole foods without manufactured additives - not Unprocessed foods - so I have no problem with honey and dates - (in fact it is very possible that what is meant in the Quran is that they are highly nutritous food as opposed to having a direct/specific drug/medication effect on an isolated illness). Not taking isolated and manufactured drug mediction/vitamin pills, not advocating that one must only stay to raw food for salvation as a human being or that one must entirely be vegetarian, not following theories about food but desires on what to eat, not having special needs children strapped to contraptions all day so that they are made to stand upright in one place all in the name of physiotherapy.
http//www.newstarget.com/022330.html - you are right without the medical models and artificial foods, we would not be where we are right now.
In my mind most medical systems have truth mixed in with perversion.
Not just medicine - but we are all part of God's creation - even the dark side. I think rather you probably meant that medicine is a blessing from God. Well I think that the only real blessing we can have is in returning to the straight path. Medicine may bring temporary relief for our problems - but we will not have addressed the cause, and more than likely it will in some way have suppressed what our body was naturally trying to deal with and get over. In the Quran it mentions that 'every illness is caused by sin' and there is another somewhere that says 'There is a cure for every disease except death'
how do we know that what we are judging is the right one?
This is easy to answer - we do so inline with our consciousness in terms of what feels right. The rest we leave to God - to either help us to realise the truth and straight path - most likely this would result from teh concequences of our actions. That way we ge to learn and grow in wisdom. Of course we are blessed to also have the Quran as guidance.I guess all that remains for me to say is that go in line with your levels of consciousness and understanding and stay true to that. But remeber I hope you will remember two things
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that I started my journey in the new age world with the frame of mind that I woudl take what's good and leave the bad - but I found the the bad comes after you faster than you know how to say 'no - this is not what I want'.
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that it is the way of satan to deceive - to mix truth with falsehood so that you your natural defence mechanism is lowered.
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It's good that you feel you can't hate anyone - but I feel that inline with the Quranic guidance you should hate a person's behaviours if they are behaviours of injustice towards another person.
Erm yeah, unless I'm oppressed or saving other people or fighting for the sake of God, that's a different story. Still, i'd like to stay at the "No Hate" mode, looking on the peaceful side rather than saving those hatred feelings. At the end it's our choice. ;D
In my personal experience political leaders are not interested in listening to God - they are interested in God listening to them so that they may bring their personal agenda to fruition - whether that be a humanitarian or power based goal it does not matter.
Spot on!. They're too busy campaigning. ;D
This is easy to answer - we do so inline with our consciousness in terms of what feels right.
I guess this is what makes people argue (or worst fight/war) all the time. But as long as we stick to God as the final judge, i guess that should be fine.
Humans are always hasty, i hope we're not one of 'em . Brother i'll keep your advice and place it in my heart. Thanks a million. handshake
Peace.
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I am your sister!
LOL - just goes to show how much you may not have beeing paying attention to my rants - I know I quoted my husband somewhere. rotfl yay eat muscle -X -*Best wishes
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Dear Sisters Fadhli and Humandesign,
I just wanted to say how much I thoroughly enjoyed your exchanges. It was very enlightening. Even though I have complete faith that God is running EVERYTHING, every sub atomic particle, 24/7, and that the Quran is indeed God's word and message to us, I am only human and still struggle with being content. Lately is seems to be a constant test that God is putting me through. Reading your posts help give me some perspective. Thank you for all that you shared.
May God continue to bless and guide us all.