Hadeed and Black Holes and Iron
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Hello,
I was recently on a train having a discussion with a gentlemen. He referred to a passage in the Quran.
The information he gave was Hadeed Chapter 27 verse 25 ranking 57. He thought I might find it interesting.
Could someone be so kind to direct me to somewhere I can read this online? I am not at all familar with the Quran so assume I know nothing.
Many Thanks, Boson3 -
Peace "Boson3",
Welcome to the forum. You can find many English and other Quran translations here
http//www.studyquran.co.uk/
Two translations of the verse you mentioned are27.25(Pickthaal) So that they worship not GOD, Who bringeth forth the hidden in the heavens and the earth, and knoweth what ye hide and what ye proclaim,
Rashad Khalifa They should have been prostrating before GOD, the One who manifests all the mysteries in the heavens and the earth, and the One who knows everything you conceal and everything you declare.Perhaps youd find 2130 more interesting. Thats the first verse which made the Quran fascinating for me since i was about 11 years old.
21.30 Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
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Peace again "Boson",
Oh i forgot this translation at http//www.ourbeacon.com/?cat=45 . This is currently consider one of the, if not the best translations of all since the person translates the words from classical Arabic and not modern sectarian biased one. Second best IMO would be G.A Pervez's at http//www.tolueislam.com/Parwez/expo/exposition.htm
GOD Bless! -
peace,
You can search the Quran by word here www.studyquran.org
You might find the verse you are looking for.Also, you may find the following article interesting
http//www.mypercept.co.uk/articles/Does_God_Exist_home.htm -
peace,
You can search the Quran by word here www.studyquran.org
You might find the verse you are looking for.Also, you may find the following article interesting
http//www.mypercept.co.uk/articles/Does_God_Exist_home.htmI think that article is a bit weak. The most conservative estimate for part 1, is a 1 in 2 chance, which means the quran is of 1 in 2^18 books, a large number but not unique enough. Part 2 is no good at all, I could dig up similar comments from movie reviews.
This is just atrocious (although Pharoah's example is quite good)
The moment the prophecy was fulfilled is confirmed by the hour of departure of the lunar module, which left the lunar surface at 17541 (Universal Time) or 1541 (EDT) and as you have seen above, verse is the verse that deals with the prophecy. Still not convinced? Lets read the following verses after (541)
So some of it was definitely good but some of these are just not worthy of defending the quran - it's not a book that needs defense in any case.
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Peace,
This is a good site who discusses the science in the Quran
http//www.quranmiracles.com/
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I think that article is a bit weak. The most conservative estimate for part 1, is a 1 in 2 chance, which means the quran is of 1 in 2^18 books, a large number but not unique enough. Part 2 is no good at all, I could dig up similar comments from movie reviews.
This is just atrocious (although Pharoah's example is quite good)
So some of it was definitely good but some of these are just not worthy of defending the quran - it's not a book that needs defense in any case.
When you say "The most conservative estimate for part 1, is a 1 in 2 chance" do you mean "1 in 2 billion" ? If yes/no, can you explain how you arrive at your end value. Thanks.
Re movie reviews. Not sure I'd compare a movie review to a review of a work of prose by learned people in the field.
Re example of lunar landing prophecy. I wouldn't say atrocious, I'd say weaker than the others, or it's not my favourite. Overall, hence lower value, 1 in a million.
The article itself states to write down whatever probability you think is realistic and use this in your calculation.
All in all, not bad for a 16 year old I think.
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The way I see it is that if you wanted to be very conservative, then you would take a series of notable things done by the quran (as you did) and note that it can either be correct or incorrect - 1 in 2 chance (or 2^-1). But since you listed 18 things, it becomes 1 in (2^1, something like 262144. Second part - even if these people said anything about the quran, it lends no weight to the quran itself. Let the book stand up on its own (which it does quite well). Lunar landing prophecy - pure coincidence. Is the date notable? Is the time Armstrong took his first step notable? Etc.
It's not that the article was bad but that if you try placing odds on most of these thing it just won't come out - you can do that for any old book.
http//19.org/index.php?id=73,386,0,0,1,0
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Thanks for clarifying. For me, the simplified "1 in 2" chance does not give enough credit to the quality/content of the info/claim. The figure of 1 in 262144 implies many today could come out with that type of info AND get nothing wrong, when I would say it would be difficult to find just one person. In fact, has there been any scientist in history who has acheived similar to this?
Second part - even if these people said anything about the quran, it lends no weight to the quran itself. Let the book stand up on its own (which it does quite well).
For it to stand up on its own, people have to read it first!
I did not write the article to prove The Quran, although I can see how one might think that. It was primarily written to offer a unique/interesting approach to The Quran, to gain a foothold in the reader's mind, to make them think "hmm, this book might be interesting, maybe I should read it".
