the Abdallah's name in the Quran (I want your opinion)

jonny_k

Peace "Nun de Plume",

Peace jonny_k,

We validate it was protected that the true Qur?an does not contradict.

JK- How do you validate this? Lack of contradictions is a method but it is not solid enough since it is subjective to a much greater extent than a mathematical pattern. Nothing textual could supersede such. This is because there could and have arisen many apparent contras in the Quran. Whether theyve been refuted again or not is another issue.

Tomayto Tomahto
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVvyUKOwwwU

JK- Are you implying i stated something irrelevant? The scriptual mistakes of what is known as Quran is VERY SIGNIFICANT and it proves my point.

These are obvious mistakes as there are numerous (commentaries) and translations/interpretations...

JK- MAN those are actual Mushaf scripts. People claim that is Quran or versions of Quran. If not then what is Quran according to you? The most widespred mushaf in the marketplace perhaps?

"The other was the word Nun in 681 spelled as one letter Nun in the modern editions, instead of Nun, Waw and Nun. Every equation in the mathematical code was pointing to this correction. It was the miracle at work,...

This initial is unique; it occurs in one sura, 68, and the name of the letter is spelled out as three letters - Noon Wow Noon - in the original text, and is therefore counted as two N's. The total count of this letter in the N-initialed sura is 133, 19x7.

JK- You obviously havnt delved deep enough to understand much of the pattern. YES sura 68 is unique. It has 132 noons of the Noon is spelled as only a letter. First at least half of the chapters obey the same initial count rule where the letter counts consistently come out as xples of 19 and this is VERY STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT(see the article i posted for OPF and notice how the no.19 stands out). Now did you ever wonder why sura 68 as in the current mushaf has 132 noons, ONE LESS 133. The answer is in the following verse
And Zan-Noon ("the possessor of `NOON' &quot, abandoned his mission in protest, thinking that we could not control him. He ended up imploring from the darkness (of the big fish's belly) "There is no god other than You. Be You glorified. I have committed a gross sin."
Why does GOD not mention his name as "Junus(with ONE noon in his name)" as is apparent from the context but instead switches to "zan-noon"? This is the only verse which mentions this term "zan-noon" and it is no coincidence that it is spelled out "noon waw noon" whilst referring to Junus who has only ONE noon in his name. This prompted brother Edip to conclude that the single "noon" of 681 needs to be spelled out "noon one noon" and he was the one who cut it from 2187 and pasted it in 681 in one of the mushafs he had at that time in which the code-19 was later displayed at submission.org. All this is no coincidence. I asked another bro Asad from Persia to do some reserach and see if theres any other connection between 681 and 2187 and he found this
http//www.sharemation.com/nunandpen/alef6.pdf?uniq=-brsele (Search for 2187 and youll get there)
Also check out the rest of the findings on Noon(part 1 to 4) at http//quranmessage.blogspot.com/
If your not completely blind youll notice many significant relations. NOTE however that not all points need to be significant. Those can be either random or can be of importance in the future should a relation emerge.(refer again to the five lessons by Abu Jamil to distinguish diamonds from glass)

Sura 50 is entitled "Q," prefixed with "Q," and the first verse reads, "Q, and the glorious Quran." This indicated that "Q" stands for "Quran," and the total number of Q's in the two Q-initialed suras represents the Quran's 114 suras (57+57 = 114 = 19x6). This idea was strengthened by the fact that "the Quran" occurs in the Quran 57 times."

The above is an example of selective cherry picking to prove nothing; apply for ?N? and not for ?Q? (Qaf) ?
look/search/include/exclude to fit some pattern while ignoring THE MESSAGE and not LISTENING to Qur?an.

Quran Chapter 50 - Srat Qf
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Rm5ioO60U

Miracle of Qur'an is in "The Message" and has nothing to do with numbers -- that is a test.

Peace

JK- BOTH suras which contain the initial "Qaaf" in them have qaafs occurring exactly 57 times. This is very signficant together with the fact that one chapter which conatins the initial "qaaf" is twice as long as the other also containing the same letter. GOD Bless!

Edip_Yuksel

In other circles, "INDEPENDENT RESEARCHER" means only one thing, that is "crackpot", "psychoceramic", etc. Please show me ONE peer-reviewed article of Code 19.

Where is the falsifiability in Code 19?

Well, it is not that simple.

A great majority of the mathematicians will just stay away from the topic. Those who would like to study it will be discouraged by their lack of Arabic knowledge. As for Muslim matematicians, go ask your question to them.

Peace,
Edip

unknownuser

Peace jonny_k,

JK- MAN those are actual Mushaf scripts. People claim that is Quran or versions of Quran. If not then what is Quran according to you? The most widespred mushaf in the marketplace perhaps?

Qur?an is the actual recital?

Surah 83 al-Mutaffifin - The Defrauders
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlFCx2WJ4f4

Kalla inna kitaba alfujjari lafee sijjeenin
No but that truly the corrupters' Book/judgment (is) in Sijjin.

Wama adraka ma sijjeenun
And what made you know/informed you what (is) Sijjin?

Kitabun marqoomun
A written/branded/inscribed Book.

The ?numbered book? (Kitabun marqoomun) is called the corrupters? book and as pointed out earlier verse numbering contradicts and is inconsistent...

http//www.submission.org/suras/sura1.htm
In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

http//www.submission.org/suras/sura114.html
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

unknownuser

Peace jonny_k,

Why does GOD not mention his name as "Junus(with ONE noon in his name)" as is apparent from the context but instead switches to "zan-noon"?

7031 ...asking/desiring its interpretation/explanation, and none knows its interpretation/explanation except God. And the affirmed in the knowledge, they say "We believed with it, all/each (is) from at our Lord, and none remember/mention except (those) of the pure minds/intelligence."

This is the only verse which mentions this term "zan-noon" and it is no coincidence that it is spelled out "noon waw noon" whilst referring to Junus who has only ONE noon in his name. This prompted brother Edip to conclude that the single "noon" of 681 needs to be spelled out "noon one noon" and he was the one who cut it from 2187 and pasted it in 681 in one of the mushafs he had at that time in which the code-19 was later displayed at submission.org. All this is no coincidence. I asked another bro Asad from Persia to do some reserach and see if theres any other connection between 681 and 2187 and he found this
http//www.sharemation.com/nunandpen/alef6.pdf?uniq=-brsele (Search for 2187 and youll get there)

?Consider all verses in the quran that have DblNoon or Nun. In these verses there are
2698(19*142) letter Noon. 2698 is count of word GOD too.?

Subject 19 code magic exposed
The first letter Numbers DO lie!

http//www.inet.ba/~hardy/numbersdolie.htm

"**The second word- Allah, occurs 2815 times in Quran(if 9/128-129 are excluded). Not divisible by 19.
To get 2698(19 divisible) RK exluded 5 occurences of the word Allah. Some justifying it by the fact that these 5 occurences have suffix(hu)mma. Allahumma means "O God!" and it is used when somebody is is calling upon Allah - One and Only True God. PLUS, He also excluded all of its occurences in the bismillahs at the begginings of the quranic chapters EXCEPT in the first one!?, that is, in 11. So, the statement that the second word (Allah=God) is mentioned in the Quran 2698 times, or 19x142 is simply A LIE. And, what a lie!! As simple as that."

Also consider/ponder the verse below and don?t neglect to count Allah and Noon.

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9129 But if they turn away, say "All?h is sufficient for me. L? il?ha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), in Him I put my trust and He is the Lord of the Mighty Throne."

unknownuser

Salam,

Faasharat ilayhi qaloo kayfa nukallimu man kana fee almahdi sabiyyan

Qala innee AAabdu Allahi ataniya alkitaba wajaAAalanee nabiyyan

Mary pointed to the child then; but they said, 'How shall we speak to one who is still in the cradle, a little child?'

He said, 'Lo, I am God's servant; God has given me the Book, and made me a Prophet.

Very clear from the above the prophet Jesus is AAabdu Allahi

God Bless.

Hati

Shalom Hati

(The infant spoke and) said, "I am a servant of GOD. He has given me the scripture, and has appointed me a prophet

1931] "He made me blessed wherever I go, and enjoined me to observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and the obligatory charity (Zakat) for as long as I live

"I am to honor my mother; He did not make me a disobedient rebel.

And peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I get resurrected."

in the verse 34 Quran says ( THAT WAS JESUS ) sun

That was Jesus, the son of Mary, and this is the truth of this matter, about which they continue to doubt.

(The infant spoke and) said, "I am a servant of GOD. in the verse 34 Quran says ( THAT WAS

JESUS ) sun the Quran explains himself That was Jesus, the son of Mary sun

Shalom

jonny_k

Peace "nun ed plume",

Peace jonny_k,

Qur?an is the actual recital?

Surah 83 al-Mutaffifin - The Defrauders
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlFCx2WJ4f4

JK- The Quran in many place says that it is the BOOK. "22 zaalikal KITAABU la ghaiba fihi(This is the BOOK in which there is no doubt)". So it is not only a reital but also something written.

Kalla inna kitaba alfujjari lafee sijjeenin
No but that truly the corrupters' Book/judgment (is) in Sijjin.

Wama adraka ma sijjeenun
And what made you know/informed you what (is) Sijjin?

Kitabun marqoomun
A written/branded/inscribed Book.

The ?numbered book? (Kitabun marqoomun) is called the corrupters? book and as pointed out earlier verse numbering contradicts and is inconsistent...

JK- MAN there are two numeriacl books mentioned. Read the next verses too
Indeed, the book of the righteous will be in Elleyyeen. Do you know what Elleyyeen is?
A numerically structured book.
Did you ignore this deliberately? GOD Bless!

unknownuser

Salam,

The places of worship belong to God; so call not, along with God, upon anyone.

When the servant of God stood calling on Him, they were wellnigh upon him in swarms.

Say 'I call only upon my Lord, and I do not associate with Him anyone.

Say 'Surely I possess no power over you, either for hurt or for rectitude.'

Say 'From God shall protect me not anyone, and I shall find, apart from Him, no refuge,

excepting a Deliverance from God and His Messages. And whoso rebels against God and His messenger, for him there awaits the Fire of Gehenna; therein they shall dwell forever.'

Until, when they see that which they are promised, then they will know who is weaker in helpers and fewer in numbers.

Say 'I do not know whether that which you are promised is nigh, or whether my Lord will appoint for it a space;

Knower He of the Unseen, and He discloses not His Unseen to anyone,

save only to such a Messenger as He is well-pleased with; then He despatches before him and behind him watchers,

that He may know they have delivered the Messages of their Lord; and He encompasses all that is with them, and He has numbered everything in numbers.'

A servant of God referred to is clearly the prophet Muhammad. Verse is talking about behavior of a servant observed at that time where a servant stood calling on his God.

God Bless.

Shalom Hati

you said " 7219" is talking about Muhammad but without given a proof, I have a question , what's the name of the Prophet ? Muhammad ;D , Ahmad ;D or Abdallah ;D, by the way don't forget the Abdallah's name is a popular name in the arabic countries even with the Jews (Israelan's people)
ok Hati

I give you some other examples

SURA 72 JINNS

In the Name Of God Most Gracious Most Merciful

the gematrical value of the word Muhammad is 92

Say, "I worship only my Lord; I never set up any idols beside Him."

Say, "I possess no power to harm you, nor to guide you."

(20+21+92) = 133 (19*7) sun

Say, "No one can protect me from GOD, nor can I find any other refuge beside Him.

(22+92) = 114 (19*6) sun

verse 1 began with the word Say PLUS verse 25 PLUS 72 plus 92 ) 190 (19*10) sun

also

(20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28+72+92) = 380 (19*20)

I know your question is why I didn't add the verse 19 because I have another proof that this verse don't talking about the prophet Mohammad ;D When GOD's servant advocated Him alone, almost all of them banded together to oppose him.

and from the verse 1 to 28 egual 406

(1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+2 = 406 + 72+92 = 570 (19*30)

The world is become a small village brickwall

Shalom

jonny_k

Peace "nun de plume",

Peace jonny_k,

7031 ...asking/desiring its interpretation/explanation, and none knows its interpretation/explanation except God. And the affirmed in the knowledge, they say "We believed with it, all/each (is) from at our Lord, and none remember/mention except (those) of the pure minds/intelligence."

JK- YOur quoting 37 not 7031 which can very well and should be read
He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture - as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They(the latter) say, "We believe in this - all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.

Is it sensible that GOD reveal verses which would never be understood by anyone? Afte all the Quran is for humans in a language that humans speak. MOREOVER the two types of verses ARE NOT MARKED IN THE QURAN. So how can you be so sure and say that verse x is multiple meaning and not straightforward. Note in case of 2130 that verse used to be "multiple meaning" bu now it is clear. Bro Edip has written an entire article on 37. Check http//19.org/index.php?id=14,49,0,0,1,0

?Consider all verses in the quran that have DblNoon or Nun. In these verses there are
2698(19*142) letter Noon. 2698 is count of word GOD too.?

JK- This along with many other related points which you wouldve seen should yu have studied it further. BTW all of bro Asad's findings are WITHOUT 9128&129. Should you go with those verses then all the significant points and relations collapse.

Subject 19 code magic exposed
The first letter Numbers DO lie!

http//www.inet.ba/~hardy/numbersdolie.htm

"**The second word- Allah, occurs 2815 times in Quran(if 9/128-129 are excluded). Not divisible by 19.
To get 2698(19 divisible) RK exluded 5 occurences of the word Allah. Some justifying it by the fact that these 5 occurences have suffix(hu)mma. Allahumma means "O God!" and it is used when somebody is is calling upon Allah - One and Only True God. PLUS, He also excluded all of its occurences in the bismillahs at the begginings of the quranic chapters EXCEPT in the first one!?, that is, in 11. So, the statement that the second word (Allah=God) is mentioned in the Quran 2698 times, or 19x142 is simply A LIE. And, what a lie!! As simple as that."

JK- This has also been discussed in detail by brother Edip. 1st "Allahumma" is very different from "allah" in Arabic. 2ndly in all counts that RK performed CONSISTENTLY the suffixed terms which alter the meaning like "hum, ka, kum, hu, hi" and lural forms were NOT included in the count. Ive discussed this many times before.

Also consider/ponder the verse below and don?t neglect to count Allah and Noon.

(

9129 But if they turn away, say "All?h is sufficient for me. L? il?ha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), in Him I put my trust and He is the Lord of the Mighty Throne."

JK- As i said with this verse and 9128 all significant relations utterly break down. This verse doesnt belong into the Book. GOD Bless!

unknownuser

Peace jonny_k,

JK- The Quran in many place says that it is the BOOK. "22 zaalikal KITAABU la ghaiba fihi(This is the BOOK in which there is no doubt)". So it is not only a reital but also something written.

Qur?an is a book written in people?s minds thus a remembrance/reminder; delivery mechanism varies.

It?s not a literal book like a paperback or cd which they threw behind their backs.

2101 And when a messenger came to them from at God confirming to what (is) with them, a group from those who were given The Book, discarded/rejected God's Book behind their backs, as if they do not know.

JK- MAN there are two numeriacl books mentioned. Read the next verses too
Indeed, the book of the righteous will be in Elleyyeen. Do you know what Elleyyeen is?
A numerically structured book.
Did you ignore this deliberately? GOD Bless!

NO, and already stated this is not referring to Qur?an was the point?

I posted this earlier; that book is NOT Qur'an and it clearly states who's book the numbered book is, read

unknownuser

Peace jonny_k,

JK- YOur quoting 37 not 7031 which can very well and should be read
He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture - as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They(the latter) say, "We believe in this - all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.

Is it sensible that GOD reveal verses which would never be understood by anyone?

God knows to above question, and I did literally quote 7031 (?) means first part omitted.

This is manipulative translation yet none knew about code 19 and 9128-129 until 1974 or whatever Julian Calendar Years (look 19 letters D) that RK was enlightened and we have new code magic being discovered daily by working the problem backwards and using selective inclusion/exclusion techniques.

JK- This has also been discussed in detail by brother Edip. 1st "Allahumma" is very different from "allah" in Arabic. 2ndly in all counts that RK performed CONSISTENTLY the suffixed terms which alter the meaning like "hum, ka, kum, hu, hi" and lural forms were NOT included in the count. Ive discussed this many times before.

Please explain why you conveniently perused over this part about excluding all chapters EXCEPT 1st...

Subject 19 code magic exposed
The first letter Numbers DO lie!

http//www.inet.ba/~hardy/numbersdolie.htm

"...PLUS, He also excluded all of its occurences in the bismillahs at the begginings of the quranic chapters EXCEPT in the first one!?, that is, in 11. So, the statement that the second word (Allah=God) is mentioned in the Quran 2698 times, or 19x142 is simply A LIE. And, what a lie!! As simple as that."

jonny_k

Peace "nun de plume",

Peace jonny_k,

Qur?an is a book written in people?s minds thus a remembrance/reminder; delivery mechanism varies.

It?s not a literal book like a paperback or cd which they threw behind their backs.
2101 And when a messenger came to them from at God confirming to what (is) with them, a group from those who were given The Book, discarded/rejected God's Book behind their backs, as if they do not know.

JK- Well then we have the same problems. As i said shias recite various other suras and they are in their minds too and they label them Quran. Also BOTH hafs and warsh ARE RECITED DIFFERENTLY TOO. Didnt i show you one instance where "allah" is "huwa" in the warsh. In their places the grammar is different which you can check for yourself. So what is the divine recital now since it cant be both? Just because theres a dominant recital in the world which is labelled Quran still doesnt make it the true one.

NO, and already stated this is not referring to Qur?an was the point?

JK- It may not be referring to the Quran but it is an indication that GOD's scriptures are MATHEMATICALLY STRUCTURED. That is part of His Sunnah and indeed this is the best rational way of preservation. GOD Bless!

jonny_k

Peace "nun de plume",

Peace jonny_k,

God knows to above question, and I did literally quote 7031 (?) means first part omitted.

JK- anyone who transgresses these limits is a sinner.
This verse does not talk about muhkam and mutashabihah ayaat.

This is manipulative translation yet none knew about code 19 and 9128-129 until 1974 or whatever Julian Calendar Years (look 19 letters ) that RK was enlightened and we have new code magic being discovered daily by working the problem backwards and using selective inclusion/exclusion techniques.

JK- For the last time now THE METHOD IS CONSISTENT FOR A SIGNIFICANT SET OF WORDS/LETTERS/INITIALS. Did you even bother reading mathematician Abu Jamil's(Richard Voss) findings at 19.org? Regarding 9128&129 i already told you that people who were sinerely seeking the true Quran before RK wouldve received methods to distinguish the true Quran fom the fake or partially fake ones.

Please explain why you conveniently perused over this part about excluding all chapters EXCEPT 1st...

Subject 19 code magic exposed
The first letter Numbers DO lie!

http//www.inet.ba/~hardy/numbersdolie.htm

"...PLUS, He also excluded all of its occurences in the bismillahs at the begginings of the quranic chapters EXCEPT in the first one!?, that is, in 11. So, the statement that the second word (Allah=God) is mentioned in the Quran 2698 times, or 19x142 is simply A LIE. And, what a lie!! As simple as that."

JK- MAN didnt i explain this in my first reply to you? Whilst counting the WORDS in the Bismillah the 112 UNNUMBERED Bismillahs are CONSITENTLY left out for the count of every word. This is to indicate that those verses are DIFFERENT and act as repetitions and are unnumbered as a later pattern showed. If RK for example counted the word Allah excluding the unnumbered 112 Bismillahs obtaining a xple of 19 but whilst counting rahman hed have INCLUDED those 112 in the count to obtain a xple of 19, THEN YOUD HAVE A POINT. ONLY then would it mean that he was making selective counts. Do you get this now? GOD Bless!

jonny_k

Peace again "Nun de Plume",
Before i forget heres an even more marvellous phenomena related to the four words in the Bismillah. Professor Cesar Majul looked at the gematrical value of more than 400 attributes of God, and found only four names whose gematrical values are multiples of 19 whose GVs correspond exactly to the frequencies of occurrence of the BASMALAH's four words. Note that the gematrical/numerical values of the Arabic alphabet have been in exitsnce LONG BEFORE THE DISCOVERY OF THIS PHENOMENOM. Heres a list of those values http//www.submission.org/miracle/gematrical.html

Divine Name Gematrical Value

"Waahed" (One) 19
"Zul Fadl Al-`Azim" (Possessor of Infinite Grace) 2698
"Majid" (Glorious) 57
"Jaami`" (Summoner) 114

As noted above, the only Divine Names whose gematrical values are divisible by 19 correspond exactly to the frequencies of occurrence of the BASMALAH's four words. The figure below illustrates this remarkable phenomenon

Name (Ism) ______ 19 ________ (Waahed) One

God (Allah) ______ 2698 ________ (Zul Fadl Al-`Azim) Possessor of Infinite Grace

Most Gracious (Al-Rahman)______ 57 ________ (Majid) Glorious

Most Merciful (Al-Raheem)______ 114 ________ (Jaami`) Gatherer

The four words of Basmalah are shown on the left side, and the only four divine names whose gematrical values are divisible by 19 are on the right side. The numbers in the middle are the frequencies of occurrence of the words of Basmalah, and, at the same time, the gematrical values of the four divine names.

AND now yet another thing. An amazing prdiction made by bro Edip. As you can see all of the above are attributes EXCEPT the term "ism(name)" which is obviously not an attribute by itself. This made brother Edip oredict that there should be another attribute of GOD in the Quran whose count should not only be a xple of 19, NO, IT SHOULD BE EXACTLY 19. INDEED he found it. The attribute was "shaheed" and is the only attribute of GOD which occurs exactly 19 times. GOD Bless!

unknownuser

Peace jonny_k,

JK- Well then we have the same problems. As i said shias recite various other suras and they are in their minds too and they label them Quran. Also BOTH hafs and warsh ARE RECITED DIFFERENTLY TOO. Didnt i show you one instance where "allah" is "huwa" in the warsh. In their places the grammar is different which you can check for yourself. So what is the divine recital now since it cant be both? Just because theres a dominant recital in the world which is labelled Quran still doesnt make it the true one.

Now we're back to Tomayto Tomahto 9129? say "All?h is sufficient for me. L? il?ha illa Huwa?"

Ponder the meaning of THE MESSAGE stop looking for patterns or you?ll go insane.

We follow the recital memorized from the beginning and committed to memory as a song?

Do-Re-Me-Fa-So-La-Ti-Do

Bismi Allhi Ar-Ramni Ar-Rami

Alif-Lam-Meem

Certainly, We have made this easy in your tongue, in order that they may remember. (445
And We have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember, then is there any that will remember? (5417)
And We have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember, then is there any that will remember? (5422)
And We have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember, then is there any that will remember? (5432)
And We have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember, then is there any that will remember? (5440)

JK- For the last time now THE METHOD IS CONSISTENT FOR A SIGNIFICANT SET OF WORDS/LETTERS/INITIALS. Did you even bother reading mathematician Abu Jamil's(Richard Voss) findings at 19.org?

Yes and here is more reading for you thanks to the brother from Bosnia?

Code 19 Deceit
http//www.inet.ba/~hardy/code_19.htm

As stated earlier this is baby math pandering to the na?ve working the problem backwards;

Desired OUTPUT = cherry picked manipulative INPUT

Step 1 Choose Name
Step 2 Consult Infinite19 Tables
Step 3 Find {gv of name} = some number x 19

Proves NOTHING other than to impress as a cheap magicians trick to deceive people into abyss of insanity looking for patterns away from The Message of Truth.

Goodbye and God Bless!

jonny_k

Peace "nun de plume",

Peace jonny_k,

Now we're back to Tomayto Tomahto 9129? say "All?h is sufficient for me. L? il?ha illa Huwa?"

Ponder the meaning of THE MESSAGE stop looking for patterns or you?ll go insane.

We follow the recital memorized from the beginning and committed to memory as a song?

Do-Re-Me-Fa-So-La-Ti-Do

Bismi Allhi Ar-Ramni Ar-Rami

Alif-Lam-Meem

Certainly, We have made this easy in your tongue, in order that they may remember. (445
And We have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember, then is there any that will remember? (5417)
And We have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember, then is there any that will remember? (5422)
And We have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember, then is there any that will remember? (5432)
And We have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember, then is there any that will remember? (5440)

JK- Honestly you seem totally deluded. What has he musical scale got to do with the Quran? And whees your evidence that this is the message which has been recited since the bginning of time? You make big claims without proof. And dont worry i wont go insane looking after consistent patterns. I might if i sought meaning in random patterns which wht ive presented so far clearly isnt.

Yes and here is more reading for you thanks to the brother from Bosnia?

Code 19 Deceit
http//www.inet.ba/~hardy/code_19.htm

As stated earlier this is baby math pandering to the na?ve working the problem backwards;

Desired OUTPUT = cherry picked manipulative INPUT

Step 1 Choose Name
Step 2 Consult Infinite19 Tables
Step 3 Find {gv of name} = some number x 19

Proves NOTHING other than to impress as a cheap magicians trick to deceive people into abyss of insanity looking for patterns away from The Message of Truth.

Goodbye and God Bless!

JK- Ive exposed this "brother" from Bosnia named "Zlatan" in the past many times. The three steps you mentioned is nothing of the sort which i presented. You DONT address the points i made at all and everyone can see this. Instead you throw in more and more stuff without answering the former. GOD Bless!

jonny_k

Peace "nun de plume",
Before i forget it there indeed are people who want to prove their points using inconsitent GV and word counts. Others even claimed messengership based on such BUT they were exposed BY THE SAME PEOPLE who appreciate the real pattern based on code-19, meaning bro Edip, Richard Voss(in case you havnt read his article) myself and others. If you study closely you can clearly distinguish the diamonds from glass. GOD Bless!

unknownuser

Peace jonny_z,

JK- Ive exposed this "brother" from Bosnia named "Zlatan" in the past many times. The three steps you mentioned is nothing of the sort which i presented. You DONT address the points i made at all and everyone can see this. Instead you throw in more and more stuff without answering the former.

It?s you throwing more stuff to pollute the thread and I don?t have time to address them all.

Let?s stick with ONE at a time Allah is mentioned in Quran 2698 times 19x142 is A LIE!

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JK- MAN didnt i explain this in my first reply to you? Whilst counting the WORDS in the Bismillah the 112 UNNUMBERED Bismillahs are CONSITENTLY left out for the count of every word. This is to indicate that those verses are DIFFERENT and act as repetitions and are unnumbered as a later pattern showed. If RK for example counted the word Allah excluding the unnumbered 112 Bismillahs obtaining a xple of 19 but whilst counting rahman hed have INCLUDED those 112 in the count to obtain a xple of 19, THEN YOUD HAVE A POINT. ONLY then would it mean that he was making selective counts. Do you get this now? GOD Bless!

It's difficult to follow what you write although we can see that CONSISTENLY should read CONVENIENTLY -- did NOT fit the pattern, therefore?

11 Bismi Allhi Ar-Ramni Ar-Rami ? included

1140 Bismi Allhi Ar-Ramni Ar-Rami ? all 112 omitted

9129? say "All?h is sufficient for me. L? il?ha illa Huwa?" ? omitted

Please explain WHY in clear LOGIC so people can understand the manipulation to get 2698?

jonny_k

Peace "nun de plume",

Peace jonny_z,

It?s you throwing more stuff to pollute the thread and I don?t have time to address them all.

Let?s stick with ONE at a time Allah is mentioned in Quran 2698 times 19x142 is A LIE!

JK- NO it is NOT a lie and ive clearly explained why. You dont even bother to read the explanations.

It's difficult to follow what you write although we can see that CONSISTENLY should read CONVENIENTLY -- did NOT fit the pattern, therefore?

11 Bismi Allhi Ar-Ramni Ar-Rami ? included

1140 Bismi Allhi Ar-Ramni Ar-Rami ? all 112 omitted

9129? say "All?h is sufficient for me. L? il?ha illa Huwa?" ? omitted

Please explain WHY in clear LOGIC so people can understand the manipulation to get 2698?

JK- BECAUSE THOSE ARE UNNUMBERED VERSES AND THE WORDS IN THEM ARE NOT TO BE COUNTED. Now how do we know this? We know this BECAUSE IT WORKS FOR ALL THE ATTRIBUTES MENTIONED IN THE BISMILLAH. If we had to include 20...1140... whilst counting "rahman" or "raheem" or both then the count of "allah" being 2698 would be unjustified BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE. The point is to stay consistent once you use a method stick to it. Man i explained this in so much detail yet you ask the same thing again and again. Reg 9129 it violates other parts of the mathematical pattern for which youll have to study http//www.submission.org/tampering.html and connect the dots. GOD Bless!

Hati

Salam Nun,

I posted this earlier; that book is NOT Qur'an and it clearly states who's book the numbered book is, read

837-9

Kalla inna kitaba alfujjari lafee sijjeenin
No but that truly the debauchers'/corrupters' Book/judgment (is) in (E) Sijjin.

Wama adraka ma sijjeenun
And what made you know/informed you what (is) Sijjin?

Kitabun marqoomun
A written/branded/inscribed Book.

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the gematrical value of the Word Abdallah 142 ( Ain = 70 , Ba= 2 , Da = 4 , Alef = 1 , lam = 30 , Lam = 30 , Ha = 5 ) = (7+0+2+4+1+3+0+3+0+5 = 25 = (19+30 ) = 25+1+9+3+0 = 38 + (72+19) = 38 +7+2+1+9 = 57 (19*3)
also egual

Ain = 70 , Ba= 2 , Da = 4 , Alef = 1 , lam = 30 , Lam = 30 , Ha = 5

7! Factorial = 7x6x5x4x3x2x1 = 5,040 possible names with same result

Yes in mathematics there are n! different ways you can arrange the n letters!

I agree with you, the book clearly refers to the record on the day of judgment as gleaned from the following verses in the right context

Woe to those that deal in fraud,-

Those who, when they have to receive by measure from men, exact full measure,

But when they have to give by measure or weight to men, give less than due.

Do they not think that they will be called to account?-

On a Mighty Day,

A Day when (all) mankind will stand before the Lord of the Worlds?

Day! Surely the record of the wicked is (preserved) in Sijjin.

And what will explain to thee what Sijjin is?

(There is) a Register (fully) inscribed.

Transliteration
Waylun lilmutaffifeena

Allatheena itha iktaloo AAala alnnasi yastawfoona

Wa-itha kaloohum aw wazanoohum yukhsiroona

Ala yathunnu ola-ika annahum mabAAoothoona

Liyawmin AAatheemin

Yawma yaqoomu alnnasu lirabbi alAAalameena

Kalla inna kitaba alfujjari lafee sijjeenin

Wama adraka ma sijjeenun

Kitabun marqoomun

Arberry
Woe to the stinters who,

when they measure against the people, take full measure

but, when they measure for them or weigh for them, do skimp.

Do those not think that they shall be raised up

unto a mighty day

a day when mankind shall stand before the Lord of all Being?

No indeed; the Book of the libertines is in Sijjin;

and what shall teach thee what is Sijjin?

A book inscribed.

Khalifa
Woe to the cheaters.

Who demand full measure when receiving from the people.

But when giving them the measures or weights, they cheat.

Do they not know that they will be resurrected?

On a tremendous day?

That is the day when all people will stand before the Lord of the universe.

Indeed, the book of the wicked is in Sijjeen.

Do you know what Sijjeen is?

A numerically structured book.

May God Bless us all.

Hati

Hati

Salam,

When GOD's servant advocated Him alone, almost all of them banded together to oppose him.

as people say perhaps Muhammad ;Dperhaps Rashad Grin but I say Perhapd Abdallah yeahright

the Abdallah name is a loved and popular name in the arabic countries even with the Jews people( Israel) they like this name because the Israel name meant Abdallah in the ebrew language .

the gematrical value of the Word Abdallah 142 ( Ain = 70 , Ba= 2 , Da = 4 , Alef = 1 , lam = 30 , Lam = 30 , Ha = 5 ) = (7+0+2+4+1+3+0+3+0+5 = 25 = (19+30 ) = 25+1+9+3+0 = 38 + (72+19) = 38 +7+2+1+9 = 57 (19*3)
also egual

chapter 19 verse 30

(The infant spoke and) said, "I am a servant of GOD. He has given me the scripture, and has appointed me a prophet.

chapter 72 verse 19

When GOD's servant advocated Him alone, almost all of them banded together to oppose him.
the gematrical value of the word Abdallah is 142

'1930' +'7219'+'142' = 9291 (19*489)

ok another proof

Quran says chapter 74 verse 30 " Over it is nineteen " you didn't see that the Abdallah's name is mentioned on the

verset number 19 chapter 72 (1+9+7+2) = 19 (19*1) ?

ok

the gematrical value of the verse " Over it is nineteen " is 1221 and the gematrical value of the word Abdallah is 142

(74+30 +1221) +( 72+19+142 ) = (1558 ) (1982) also (1+5+5+ = 19 (191)

the gematrical value of the first revelation is 5809 the gematrical value of the verse " Over it is nineteen " is 1221

Read, in the name of your Lord, who created.*

He created man from an embryo.

Read, and your Lord, Most Exalted.

Teaches by means of the pen.

He teaches man what he never knew.

(5809 +1221 ) = 7030 (19*370)

on the first revelation there are 19 words (191) and 76 letters (194) God is choose this language ( mathematics) for to undesrtand his message

Dear brother and sister in the God's submission I would inform you that the world is become a small village I think I say I think God would send two other messengers for confirming his scripture and that Rashad Khalifa wasn't a liar or a dejall as the disbelievers says, I hope you study and study the Quran because it's the only source for having a peace life and be sure dear brothers and sisters that Our Kingdom it's not on this earth it's in the eternal life , I hope you will be there all as queens and kings .

Cite for them the example of people in a community that received the messengers.

the world is become a small village sun

When we sent to them two (messengers), they disbelieved them. We then supported them by a third. They said, "We are (God's) messengers to you."

Assuming that you have mathematically proven that Abdallah is a name of person in those verses, let us insert the name not the meaning of that name

Transliteration
Qala innee AAabdu Allahi ataniya alkitaba wajaAAalanee nabiyyan

Arberry
He said, 'Lo, I am God's servant; God has given me the Book, and made me a Prophet.

Khalifa (why is he here?)
(The infant spoke and) said, "I am a servant of GOD. He has given me the scripture, and has appointed me a prophet.

Noble Verse(s) 7219

Transliteration
Waannahu lamma qama AAabdu Allahi yadAAoohu kadoo yakoonoona AAalayhi libadan

Arberry
When Abdallah stood calling on Him, they were wellnigh upon him in swarms.

Khalifa
When Abdallah advocated Him alone, almost all of them banded together to oppose him.

So be it, because Muhammad's name is not translated do the same for other names you believe is in Quran. It would be a double standard that other names are translated but for other prophets their names are not translated.

Like the following

Yusuf Ali
Say "I know not whether the (Punishment) which ye are promised is near, or whether my Lord will appoint for it a distant term.

"He (alone) knows the Unseen, nor does He make any one acquainted with His Mysteries,-

"Except an apostle whom He has chosen and then He makes a band of rasadan march before him and behind him,

"That He may know that they have (truly) brought and delivered the Messages of their Lord and He surrounds (all the mysteries) that are with them, and takes account of every single thing."

Transliteration
Qul in adree aqareebun ma tooAAadoona am yajAAalu lahu rabbee amadan

AAalimu alghaybi fala yuthhiru AAala ghaybihi ahadan

Illa mani irtada min rasoolin fa-innahu yasluku min bayni yadayhi wamin khalfihi rasadan

LiyaAAlama an qad ablaghoo risalati rabbihim waahata bima ladayhim waahsa kulla shay-in AAadadan

Arberry
Say 'I do not know whether that which you are promised is nigh, or whether my Lord will appoint for it a space;

Knower He of the Unseen, and He discloses not His Unseen to anyone,

save only to such a Messenger as He is well-pleased with; then He despatches before him and behind him rasadan,

that He may know they have delivered the Messages of their Lord; and He encompasses all that is with them, and He has numbered everything in numbers.'

Khalifa
Say, "I do not know if what is promised to you will happen soon, or if my Lord will delay it for awhile."

He is the Knower of the future; He does not reveal the future to anyone.

Illa mani irtada min rasoolin fa-innahu yasluku min bayni yadayhi wamin khalfihi rasadan

Only to a messenger that He chooses, does He reveal from the past and the future, rasadan.

This is to ascertain that they have delivered their Lord's messages. He is fully aware of what they have. He has counted the numbers of all things.

God bless you

Hati