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    Jim19
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    peace Jim19,

    Can you clarify which occurrences of "sajada" you are referring to

    I have listed them here for you

    Thanks.

    Peace wakas

    it isn't my discoveries, author says, 6) The verb sajada, meaning bowing down, is repeated in the Quran 34 times, this is number of prostrations(sajdas) in the five daily prayers. The total number of rekat is 17 and there are 2 rekat per each prostration, hence the number 34, Subhanallah

    I ask the help from every one for checking with me this work , it's a very sensitive topic
    Peace

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      Munshi
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      ofcourse EDIP is a very big scholar and why would he bother to reply my silly question!!!!!! many thanks for all the concerned people who bothered to advise.

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        Yosemite
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        They say cut the hands of the thiefs, but how do they pray after you have cut their hands?

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          Jim19
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          ofcourse EDIP is a very big scholar and why would he bother to reply my silly question!!!!!! many thanks for all the concerned people who bothered to advise.

          Peace
          it's not a silly question , I think somebody need to read and study the Quran for having to answer on your question .
          Peace

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            Edip_Yuksel
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            ofcourse EDIP is a very big scholar and why would he bother to reply my silly question!!!!!! many thanks for all the concerned people who bothered to advise.

            Dear Munshi

            Perhaps, you will not find many authors and academics as much as I am in touch with people around the world. In addition to participating in some internet forums, I also spend about two or three hours a day to answer dozens of emails I receive from around the world. I try my best not to discriminate among people just because of their title or position. So, my not responding to your question has nothing to do with what you imply in your accusotory rhetorical question ending with six exclamation marks. The reason I did not respond to your question was simple. I thought that I had already expressed my position on the issue of sala prayer in an article titled "How can we Pray according to the Quran?" which is available at www.yuksel.org and is also published as and appendix of the Quran a Reformist Translation. (www.brainbowpress.com). After you read that article and study the verses I use in my reasoning, I would like to answer any question you might have.

            Peace,
            Edip

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              Jim19
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              peace Jim19,

              Can you clarify which occurrences of "sajada" you are referring to

              I have listed them here for you

              Thanks.

              Peace wakas
              I forgot for to answer your message , yes I will prove to you by Quran that there are 5 prayer per day not 3 .
              Peace

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                Hati
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                Salam,

                Only two verses use the exact word sajada

                Parameter 1530 038073

                Noble Verse(s) 1530
                Yusuf Ali

                So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together

                Transliteration

                Fasajada almala-ikatu kulluhum ajmaAAoona

                Arabic (from right to left)

                1530

                Arberry

                Then the angels bowed themselves all together,

                Noble Verse(s) 038073
                Yusuf Ali

                So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together

                Transliteration

                Fasajada almala-ikatu kulluhum ajmaAAoona

                Arabic (from right to left)

                3873

                Arberry

                Then the angels bowed themselves all together,

                http//www.answering-christianity.com/cgi-bin/quran/quran_search.cgi?search_text=sajada&search_type=Exact+String&transliteration=1&B1=Search

                God bless you.

                Hati

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                  unknownuser
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                  Peace wakas

                  it isn't my discoveries, author says, 6) The verb sajada, meaning bowing down, is repeated in the Quran 34 times, this is number of prostrations(sajdas) in the five daily prayers. The total number of rekat is 17 and there are 2 rekat per each prostration, hence the number 34, Subhanallah

                  I ask the help from every one for checking with me this work , it's a very sensitive topic
                  Peace

                  http//www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=sajad&chapter=&translator=6&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

                  The word(s) "sajad" appears 8 time(s) in 8 verse(s) in Quran.

                  (1) Waith qulna lilmalaikati osjudoo liadama fasajadoo illa ibleesa aba waistakbara wakana mina alkafireena
                  ( , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #34)
                  (2) Waitha kunta feehim faaqamta lahumu alssalata faltaqum taifatun minhum maAAaka walyakhuthoo aslihatahum faitha sajadoo falyakoonoo min waraikum waltati taifatun okhra lam yusalloo falyusalloo maAAaka walyakhuthoo hithrahum waaslihatahum wadda allatheena kafaroo law taghfuloona AAan aslihatikum waamtiAAatikum fayameeloona AAalaykum maylatan wahidatan wala junaha AAalaykum in kana bikum athan min matarin aw kuntum marda an tadaAAoo aslihatakum wakhuthoo hithrakum inna Allaha aAAadda lilkafireena AAathaban muheenan
                  ( , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #102)
                  (3) Walaqad khalaqnakum thumma sawwarnakum thumma qulna lilmalaikati osjudoo liadama fasajadoo illa ibleesa lam yakun mina alssajideena
                  ( , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #11)
                  (4) Fasajada almalaikatu kulluhum ajmaAAoona
                  ( , Al-Hijr, Chapter #15, Verse #30)
                  (5) Waith qulna lilmalaikati osjudoo liadama fasajadoo illa ibleesa qala aasjudu liman khalaqta teenan
                  ( , Al-Isra, Chapter #17, Verse #61)
                  (6) Waith qulna lilmalaikati osjudoo liadama fasajadoo illa ibleesa kana mina aljinni fafasaqa AAan amri rabbihi afatattakhithoonahu wathurriyyatahu awliyaa min doonee wahum lakum AAaduwwun bisa lilththalimeena badalan
                  ( , Al-Kahf, Chapter #18, Verse #50)
                  (7) Waith qulna lilmalaikati osjudoo liadama fasajadoo illa ibleesa aba
                  ( , Taha, Chapter #20, Verse #116)
                  ( Fasajada almalaikatu kulluhum ajmaAAoona
                  ( , Sad, Chapter #38, Verse #73)

                  In addition, to believe the Julian calendar year 1974 has relevance is preposterous as 1974 Kung Fu Fighting and Elvis.

                  http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiquhs1WQqA

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                    Jim19
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                    http//www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=sajad&chapter=&translator=6&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

                    The word(s) "sajad" appears 8 time(s) in 8 verse(s) in Quran.

                    (1) Waith qulna lilmalaikati osjudoo liadama fasajadoo illa ibleesa aba waistakbara wakana mina alkafireena
                    ( , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #34)
                    (2) Waitha kunta feehim faaqamta lahumu alssalata faltaqum taifatun minhum maAAaka walyakhuthoo aslihatahum faitha sajadoo falyakoonoo min waraikum waltati taifatun okhra lam yusalloo falyusalloo maAAaka walyakhuthoo hithrahum waaslihatahum wadda allatheena kafaroo law taghfuloona AAan aslihatikum waamtiAAatikum fayameeloona AAalaykum maylatan wahidatan wala junaha AAalaykum in kana bikum athan min matarin aw kuntum marda an tadaAAoo aslihatakum wakhuthoo hithrakum inna Allaha aAAadda lilkafireena AAathaban muheenan
                    ( , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #102)
                    (3) Walaqad khalaqnakum thumma sawwarnakum thumma qulna lilmalaikati osjudoo liadama fasajadoo illa ibleesa lam yakun mina alssajideena
                    ( , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #11)
                    (4) Fasajada almalaikatu kulluhum ajmaAAoona
                    ( , Al-Hijr, Chapter #15, Verse #30)
                    (5) Waith qulna lilmalaikati osjudoo liadama fasajadoo illa ibleesa qala aasjudu liman khalaqta teenan
                    ( , Al-Isra, Chapter #17, Verse #61)
                    (6) Waith qulna lilmalaikati osjudoo liadama fasajadoo illa ibleesa kana mina aljinni fafasaqa AAan amri rabbihi afatattakhithoonahu wathurriyyatahu awliyaa min doonee wahum lakum AAaduwwun bisa lilththalimeena badalan
                    ( , Al-Kahf, Chapter #18, Verse #50)
                    (7) Waith qulna lilmalaikati osjudoo liadama fasajadoo illa ibleesa aba
                    ( , Taha, Chapter #20, Verse #116)
                    ( Fasajada almalaikatu kulluhum ajmaAAoona
                    ( , Sad, Chapter #38, Verse #73)

                    In addition, to believe the Julian calendar year 1974 has relevance is preposterous as 1974 Kung Fu Fighting and Elvis.

                    http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiquhs1WQqA

                    Peace noon plum

                    I will give you proof that there are 5 prayer per day
                    Peace

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                      Bigmo
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                      http//www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=sajad&chapter=&translator=6&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

                      The word(s) "sajad" appears 8 time(s) in 8 verse(s) in Quran.

                      (1) Waith qulna lilmalaikati osjudoo liadama fasajadoo illa ibleesa aba waistakbara wakana mina alkafireena
                      ( , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #34)
                      (2) Waitha kunta feehim faaqamta lahumu alssalata faltaqum taifatun minhum maAAaka walyakhuthoo aslihatahum faitha sajadoo falyakoonoo min waraikum waltati taifatun okhra lam yusalloo falyusalloo maAAaka walyakhuthoo hithrahum waaslihatahum wadda allatheena kafaroo law taghfuloona AAan aslihatikum waamtiAAatikum fayameeloona AAalaykum maylatan wahidatan wala junaha AAalaykum in kana bikum athan min matarin aw kuntum marda an tadaAAoo aslihatakum wakhuthoo hithrakum inna Allaha aAAadda lilkafireena AAathaban muheenan
                      ( , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #102)
                      (3) Walaqad khalaqnakum thumma sawwarnakum thumma qulna lilmalaikati osjudoo liadama fasajadoo illa ibleesa lam yakun mina alssajideena
                      ( , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #11)
                      (4) Fasajada almalaikatu kulluhum ajmaAAoona
                      ( , Al-Hijr, Chapter #15, Verse #30)
                      (5) Waith qulna lilmalaikati osjudoo liadama fasajadoo illa ibleesa qala aasjudu liman khalaqta teenan
                      ( , Al-Isra, Chapter #17, Verse #61)
                      (6) Waith qulna lilmalaikati osjudoo liadama fasajadoo illa ibleesa kana mina aljinni fafasaqa AAan amri rabbihi afatattakhithoonahu wathurriyyatahu awliyaa min doonee wahum lakum AAaduwwun bisa lilththalimeena badalan
                      ( , Al-Kahf, Chapter #18, Verse #50)
                      (7) Waith qulna lilmalaikati osjudoo liadama fasajadoo illa ibleesa aba
                      ( , Taha, Chapter #20, Verse #116)
                      ( Fasajada almalaikatu kulluhum ajmaAAoona
                      ( , Sad, Chapter #38, Verse #73)

                      In addition, to believe the Julian calendar year 1974 has relevance is preposterous as 1974 Kung Fu Fighting and Elvis.

                      http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiquhs1WQqA

                      There is also the verse about the marks on their foreheads from sujood. Also the verse about the stars and trees yasjudaan.

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                        I will give you proof that there are 5 prayer per day
                        Peace

                        Peace Jim19,

                        This is working the problem backwards; i.e. keep searching/choose input until output is 34 or other predetermined value.

                        There is also the verse about the marks on their foreheads from sujood. Also the verse about the stars and trees yasjudaan.

                        Peace Bigmo,

                        http//www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=prostrate&chapter=&translator=5&search=1&start=0&records_display=50&search_word=exact

                        The word(s) "prostrate" appears 48 time(s) in 39 verse(s) in Quran in M. Khan Translation.

                        Less 3 in parenthesis leaves 45 times not 34.

                        Therefore, case can be made for 45 or other number with same logic depending which words/verses to include/exclude.

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                          Wakas
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                          I think bro Edip is more accessible than most. Edip and I briefly discussed slw in the past
                          http//19.org/forum/index.php/m/23543/0/?#msg_23543

                          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                            Jim19
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                            Peace Jim19,

                            This is working the problem backwards; i.e. keep searching/choose input until output is 34 or other predetermined value.

                            Peace Bigmo,

                            http//www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=prostrate&chapter=&translator=5&search=1&start=0&records_display=50&search_word=exact

                            The word(s) "prostrate" appears 48 time(s) in 39 verse(s) in Quran in M. Khan Translation.

                            Less 3 in parenthesis leaves 45 times not 34.

                            Therefore, case can be made for 45 or other number with same logic depending which words/verses to include/exclude.

                            Peace

                            I will share with you my work soon, God willing
                            Peace

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