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Asalamu alaikum
Brother Bahman
In relation to the link, I was meaning my post in the thread about polygamous marriages. I was frustrated with the questions and yes I was talking about Muhammed.
Hmm yes you are talking about fabrication about prophet life style SUNNAH and Hadith that Khomainie added 40 more.
When we have a fresh baked bread why use the old and moldy one?They weren't all by Khomainie's influence, unless we are reading his book of opinions, or the shia's perspectives. Bukhari is the predominant book, I?ve noticed actually not many shia?s mention hadith but rather whoever they follow his opinions and implement that in their practices. Sometimes we learn things from a moldy loaf of bread, bits of it are edible others not, you take the good and dismiss the bad.
I have a question for you or rather questions, do you understand the Quran? I don't mean as an underlying message but if I pin pointed a part would you be able to understand and explain? Do you think it's necessary or important to understand it all, or what is your opinion?
Some people?s logic and understanding is questionable, how do you judge your decision as being right? You just do what you feel best or right??
I understand the Quran is clear proof and is a miracle in itself. I don?t just accept blindly, I feel a connection and can see wisdom in it, besides I?ve searched perspectives and tried to understand ?life? and I?m contended with the Quran.
Muhammad was no more than a messenger like the messengers before him. Should he die or get killed, would you turn back on your heels? Anyone who turns back on his heels, does not hurt GOD in the least. GOD rewards those who are appreciative 3144
My understanding human is fallible but words of God is infallible.
To further your understandings, I agree nothing wrong with that, but also God isn?t in need of us, we need him.
I agree with you for such situation which is their hobbit in past and links to their learning prior to be a God Alone and some of Quran Alone too. Like those that converted to Islam from other religions and brought their habits and tradition into Islam by Hadith.
It?s not just hadith that?s influencing people. Like you said habits it?s their brought up environment and cultural acceptance which people have maintained or adapted. Or desires people want to follow.
You see I think hadith is a comforter for people. Some things in the Quran are not black and white, it is a unique book in which was used throughout different centuries some things are not going to be specific as we may like. I believe bad music and addiction to it can be harmful, physiologically maybe even physically as you probably will affect your hearing anyway. The Quran doesn?t explicitly say that so my understanding of what belalhammad said is basically, the Quran doesn?t say it?s harmful so music is ok, without limits, this is what I call leniency which I despise.
Another thing bad doesn?t = haram. Bad means bad, haram means forbidding. In no way will I say it?s forbidden to listen to music, I have no authority or right to make such statements. So actually even the Quran is a comforter for people?s logic though I would say in my opinion it's not necessarily used justly.
You might all think I?m wacked and crazy with my logic but it?s ok I think I?m doing right and inshallah Allah will judge me, I hope that at least I may influence people to think positively and if people feel the need to redirect me than go for it.
Take care
Salam
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Peace sister Sarah.
My 29th Canadian winter which was coldest is over, trees start giving buds and my cat already delivered 9 lives. Lot of physical work to be done and time for seeing sun and enjoy it is short . My on line activities in summer goes half and rarely I involve in discussions unless be a new one. Time is precious specially for me that I am at the end of this one way street.
I would like to answer your question line byline but ise that such discussion has been repeated here and there many times and if you search my posts, site, etc which you can reach from this site you may find your answers.But generally I am lucky I was not raised like many by my parents belief and then I have no problem easily tell you that I am going for traditional Salat or other Hadith content. The only source for me is Quran . I read Quran as understand it from different angles not for finding stone building called Quibleh or how to make Tavaf . I read Quran based on 262 and part matched my location ad time. Quran is revealed for all generations to the end of world.
If Taliban and Bin Laden want to consider their women half of man ad even less due to verse for signing 2 women for one man signing contract may they are right as their women are living same as 1400 years ago no education and do not know anything about business but I can not well educated women running government and educational firms to sign bank approval for loan which is based on credit check. There are many verse that belong to past or to location which human have been left with no education.
Quran amy be Miracle for those that know good Arabic and as has been claimed there puddings in Arabic phrases that can not be translated and it loose its deepness like Persian rhymes of Khayam, Hafez, Sa?Adi ,Molowi. and others. Many verse are repentance of older scripture as God authored in older scripture which is not hided and God authored many times that Quran is competition and confirming all previouse scripture.
If Arabic high level rhymed of Quran makes you believe that it is work of God hence Muhammad did not have such knowledge nothing wrong with that if you know good Arabic. But for me and another 7 billion habitant of earth is not easy to find difference between Quan and this one.Then Quran has no place more than older scriptures without proof or you proof which is good only for those have well Arabic knowledge.
For example discovery of speed of light in Quran is base on verse that exist in Pslam too.
http//19.org/forum/index.php/mv/msg/7099/46949/0/#msg_46951Understanding Quran with no Arabic knowledge is easy as we are tech era and getting far from poems and rhymes which has been a miracle for its time and location. This screen connects earth habitant in seconds and God knew this and revealed the Miracle at the time when first PC was in market 1974 challenging our knowledge . This miracle is completely different from past Miracles which required only sight and hearing. You need to know how to do simple arithmetic functions and obvious to all people around the world any time for examining and checking. You can witness it personally and see greatness of God.
All you need is heart free of prejudices and cutting off totally from your parent idolized belief.
You and God no clergy no middle man and read Quran carefully and with no rush as it was revealed in 23 years. Wrap-up your ancestors writing all and keep them in museum our children see how the human has gone through darkness due to greed and desire of ruling system which mad an slave from human to follow Satan under name of God killing each other be using name of God.
I will learner all my life to understand Quran brightly and intellectuality according to 262Another sunny day and lot of things to be done inside and outside.
Visit my new site and you find out how I understand Quarn by links available.
Peace
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Peace brother Bahman,
Off course time is precious, there is an Arabic proverb that says time is like like a sword if you don't use it properly it can cut you. Anyway inshallah I'll have a look at the links you've got a little later, I have some things I need to complete but I thought I'd quickly reply to some thigns you said.
262 is a lovely verse that rids anxiety away makes one feel in a state of sakina, meaning calm/happy/no grieve etc. It's just peoples opinions of righteous deeds possibly makes one competitive and labeling other actions as wrong/right.
You said something I found well interesting because my understanding is, it came from hadith..
You and God no clergy no middle man and read Quran carefully and with no rush as it was revealed in 23 years.
Although I agree rush isn't necessary )
Culture and society have a bad influence, and it can impact negatively upon your practices. Maybe if you have easy going understanding parents it's easier. Being a male in my culture would be easier in my opinion. I tend to feel parents take advantage of their rights claiming their children are to be obedient to them and that their blessings are vital which restricts a person of their wants.
In Afghanistan, the women there were more educated than men before the war.. there were so many women doctors than men, but i guess everyone sees views. I understand what your coming from, some things are definitely extreme but anyway I'm not living there so I can't judge or say much.
Anyway, inshallah I'll have a look at the links you have posted another time.
Well take care, and enjoy your summer times ) I respect your priorities
Asalamu alaikum
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Peace sister Sarah
Today was rainy and gave more time to be on this screen. Responding to you was one of my priorities to explain more bout my post.
I never attempted to degrade Afghanis or their women. I like them like all people in world regardless skin color, language or dress code ( if is not religious.) . The reason for indicating Afghan women was due to so many news on media about women situarion in there which is same in all Mohammedans territories. In any of these societies there are many educated females but compare to population they are in minority and they are divided into fraction over their freedom in Quran. There are many thinking like Queen Rania and others like their brothers in this screen defending Hadith or arguing that verses belonged to time and location be used all the everywhere.
Look what happened to Benazere Buto and just few days ago was in news that Shirin Ebadi Peace Noble Prize winner has been threatened to death.
May females are in Jail in Iran and several were assonated due to their rejection of Shania which is based on Hadith not Quran.
Oppression of female in Mohammedans ruled territories is known worldwide and unfortunately is known as Islam when are abusing name of Quran.
They kill each other when either side are well educated and believe in Quran but by assistant of Hadith which has caused such mess bloodshed.
Enemies of Quran knowingly and willingly relate all these crimes and voidance to Quran.
Education can assist person to process intellectuality if the person can crack the childhood brainwashing.
For example Ahmadinejad claims has phd and president of over 70 million people is expecting 12th Imam which was disappeared at age 5 in Sammerah Iraq to reappear close by Qum to save world and of curse need a translator as he is Arab.
Such claim nulls all his right words abou today world which is parroting from older pioneers and hot air when nobody lateens.
Now there are several educated women in many position of this sectarian regime which are brain washed like their boss and their serving is as support of such tyrannous and violent ruling system.
PeacePeace
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Peace be upon you Bahman,
Compared to the scale of population yes they are a minority, minorities are easily targeted, and look what happened to them. Its a shame you dont see anyone standing up against these atrocities. Wheres the human rights and other activists, busy worrying about animals rather than their own kind, or oblivious to the realities. I dont know about you but just looking at my own country I feel I am a minority as a Muslim, and I am targeted and feel my community is useless and somewhat dysfunctional. Which is sad.
I believe the oppression is due to ignorance, women have rights its just about them vocalizing them. Men can try and oppress due to their gender or desires, but really I believe it links down to culture, hadith has some influence but I reckon its mainly cultural practices.
The killing is from stupidity, pride ignorance and evil plotting. Hadith doesnt support them to kill each other. Even if it did support it, as far as I know every traditional Muslim knows starting war is the most hated thing, killing your own brother in religion is like killing yourself. Even there is a hadith that says if you kill one man it is like you have killed the nation and if you save one man it is like you saved the nation. They kill each other because they're ignorant and use emotions over logic.
Sometimes people take things out of context and interpret things to their wishes plus with media portraying things the way it wishes, usually negatively it scares people about Islam and can give false images.
People expect the imam Mahdi to come back, people also expect Issa (Jesus) to come back.
People support a system unknowingly sometimes. Not realizing the faults. Or sometimes forcefully to conceal their identity from vilifications they might get. No one likes to be targeted especially with little or no support.
BTW I think peoples belief that the traditional perspective of hijab is wrong gives them justifications to dress as they desire, which isnt necessarily right or modest. Todays definition of modesty has adapted, I wouldnt necessarily say it is modest. But social acceptance of things makes things ok. This is another thing peoples leniency/desire/weakness whatever can cause them to say Im going to dress like that hijab isnt necessarily. But the thing is hijab is in the Quran it is necessary, it is part of Islam you may choose not to wear a headscarf, fine but your dress code is your hijab, abide by it.
I wear a scarf by choice, I dont believe it is wrong.
Salam )
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Peace sister Sarah
Compared to the scale of population yes they are a minority, minorities are easily targeted, and look what happened to them. It?s a shame you don?t see anyone standing up against these atrocities. Where?s the human rights and other activists, busy worrying about animals rather than their own kind, or oblivious to the realities. I don?t know about you but just looking at my own country I feel I am a minority as a Muslim, and I am targeted and feel my community is useless and somewhat dysfunctional. Which is sad.
I do not blame those socities reaction when Mohammedans are known as Muslim when they are not.
Do you like such incidents and many others like that be exoported to your calm and peaceful society by the name of Islam?
Do you not pay attention to animals rather such people which are following conjecture and poisoning societies. ?
I was talking about women right in Mohammedans territories not those that are brain washed with their parent?s belief and introducing their own fabrication as Islam.The killing is from stupidity, pride ignorance and evil plotting. Hadith doesn?t support them to kill each other. Even if it did support it, as far as I know every traditional Muslim knows starting war is the most hated thing, killing your own brother in religion is like killing yourself. Even there is a hadith that says if you kill one man it is like you have killed the nation and if you save one man it is like you saved the nation. They kill each other because they're ignorant and use emotions over logic.
But this killing is not new started with killing Ali and genocide all his family by due to feud over Ali rejecting adding 128 129 to chapter 9. At this era with our access to all kind of media an news reporting they lie to us and after many years we find the truth behind the news. Now how we expect from history recorded by paid clergies and historian the servants of rulers and kings change it to fight over Khilafat of Ali. I do not blame those masses of misinformed and brainwashed to follow clergies and scholars blindly but those well educated Men ans Women supporting such corruption and follow what clearly fabricated lies.. Of course they have no choice even agrre because they will be killed by their own people that have brain washed them for centuries with lies.
The source of all these difficulties is base on those Hadith .Sometimes people take things out of context and interpret things to their wishes plus with media portraying things the way it wishes, usually negatively it scares people about Islam and can give false images.
Exactly and these wrong interpretation is due to their Hadith. Just look at most famouse Mohammedan translator Yusef Ali and others with his belief how changed name of DOG to animal avoiding conflict to Hadith ;
?have taught your trained hunting animals?
http//www.answering-islam.org/Silas/dogs.htm#_Toc158088969
People expect the imam Mahdi to come back, people also expect Issa (Jesus) to come back.
Where in Quran such thing is authored?
People support a system unknowingly sometimes. Not realizing the faults. Or sometimes forcefully to conceal their identity from vilifications they might get. No one likes to be targeted especially with little or no support
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You may explain this part more please.But the thing is hijab is in the Quran it is necessary,
Not such thing in Quran
Did you read Queen Rania article then tell us where you find flaw?
it is part of Islam
No is not . Islam is submission to God Alone .and there is no verse for wearing Hejab .
you may choose not to wear a headscarf, fine but your dress code is your hijab, abide by it.
Are you sure Hijab= Dress code and where in Quran says such thing.
I remember that God says when Adam and Eve got visible they used tree leaves to cover their sexual parts not HEAD.I wear a scarf by choice,
No you do not have any choice. They put it on your head since childhood and you are used to it . You feel uncomfortable removing it and even try to do so you may make those put on head be mad and angry of you.
I don?t believe it is wrong.
We do many things right and we think is right but time and expreinces shows that we were wrong.
No it is not wrong but is wrong if you want show as religous law and connect to Quran when there is no such thing.
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No one likes negative things.
You kind of lost me, but don?t worry.
Sigh, code 19 I?m not sure about that. Me and maths don?t work well it sounds plausible but I have uncertainties, but I won?t go there.
I didn?t say Mahdi is authored nor Issa, just mentioned it.
?People support a system unknowingly sometimes. Not realizing the faults. Or sometimes forcefully to conceal their identity from vilifications they might get. No one likes to be targeted especially with little or no support?
People tend to do what they are brought up in, they are comforted into a system so they just do it. They blind follow traditional ways not realizing the faults not questioning because they think research has been done just accept the facts. Or society does things which may be perceived as normal so if you?re participating in the events thinking it?s a normal everyday thing then you could possible support a system of values/beliefs without realizing.
Sometimes people can?t open up about their beliefs. I wouldn?t towards my family even friends because they would act emotional and very badly. To secure my safety I say nothing. Besides I personally know of no one (in person) who agrees with me, or isn?t in favor of hadith. No one. Don?t you think that is sad, how do I support my views with the world against me? So I?d rather conceal and stay quiet.
I believe the word ?hijab? is in the Quran even Rania says it?s in the Quran 7 times. Veiling in an appropriate way is necessary, that may not mean or include head cover. I guess my culture does have influence hijab is more of a barrier or screen, but I was meaning khimar.
Hijab doesn?t = dress code, but khimar would have relation to clothing. I was actually told against wearing a scarf, and yes I am used to wearing it and I would feel uncomfortable without it. Though possibly I?d eventually get used to without it. I personally believe it is a form of modesty, which is ok in my logic.
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Another rainy daySigh, code 19 I?m not sure about that. Me and maths don?t work well it sounds plausible but I have uncertainties, but I won?t go there.
You writing shows the you are well educated and certainly you understand when we say 38 is multiple of 19 which means 38=19x2
380=19x20 ????.and 38??. 10 thousand zero = 19 x 2 ,10 thousand zero.
Simple to understand
Impossible to imitate.
No math no formula .?People support a system unknowingly sometimes. Not realizing the faults. Or sometimes forcefully to conceal their identity from vilifications they might get. No one likes to be targeted especially with little or no support?
People tend to do what they are brought up in, they are comforted into a system so they just do it. They blind follow traditional ways not realizing the faults not questioning because they think research has been done just accept the facts. Or society does things which may be perceived as normal so if you?re participating in the events thinking it?s a normal everyday thing then you could possible support a system of values/beliefs without realizing.
I agree with you and you are right but my belief is based on solid and standard measurement that do not belong to any belief but is a tool ?KEY? to path of facts and truth.
Sometimes people can?t open up about their beliefs. I wouldn?t towards my family even friends because they would act emotional and very badly. To secure my safety I say nothing. Besides I personally know of no one (in person) who agrees with me, or isn?t in favor of hadith. No one. Don?t you think that is sad, how do I support my views with the world against me? So I?d rather conceal and stay quiet.
I agree with you to appoint that you should not put yourself in danger but our birth and life is not in hand of those that do not agree with you.
The people you mention have changed dress code and life style and not living in tent and mud houses but in mansion and last model privileges but their mentality is no improved .
They have same mentality and force other to follow what they followed wrongly.
Here on this screen at least we are free transfer our information for those that can understand.
I remember one of young members left hadith but could not say No to his father asking him to join Friday prayer which is mixed with traditions not Quran.No matter how small we are and how big they are in the number. Day by day and one by one adding. .
I believe the word ?hijab? is in the Quran even Rania says it?s in the Quran 7 times. Veiling in an appropriate way is necessary, that may not mean or include head cover. I guess my culture does have influence hijab is more of a barrier or screen, but I was meaning khimar.
Hijab doesn?t = dress code, but khimar would have relation to clothing. I was actually told against wearing a scarf, and yes I am used to wearing it and I would feel uncomfortable without it. Though possibly I?d eventually get used to without it. I personally believe it is a form of modesty, which is ok in my logic.
If you use your hejab as a national customs is ok but link it to Quran is giving wrong message
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Yeh but where did 38 come from. Anyway it?s a topic that I?d need to sit down with someone and do and see myself. So don?t worry about explaining because I will just frustrate you.
Ignorance is everyone?s weakness, my major one. Uncertainty makes me uncomfortable so keeping quiet helps..
Thanks for sharing your thoughts )
Salam
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Peace Bahman,
Hmm, well thanks for the link, I do understand multiples of 19, even though I may need a calculator.. but there's other things that don't make sense, I guess I will learn through discovery and research hopefully.
Anyway thanks for your time )
Blessing of God be upon you
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That's great brother . And you were a Jewish , wow !! Yes you're right , very few Jewish convert to Islam . God bless you and keep you always on the right path.
As for praying in mosque , I can't see any problem to pray in any mosque , just follow the Imam . Nothing wrong , we all pray to Allah , even we have different view of things . Congregation prayer is good , don't limit yourself to certain rules . Happy to have you here. I'm new also to this site . First day for me. -
Peace and welcome )
I see you are new and have not read first post of this topic. I am just helping you to know the truth and fact. Is up to you which path you choose.very few Jewish convert to Islam
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Do you mean Islam in 319 or you mean Sunnis or Shai?As for praying in mosque , I can't see any problem to pray in any mosque ,
Which masque?
Sunnis, ShIa and their subsects?just follow the Imam .
Which Imam? Where in Quran find such verse follow Imam.?
Nothing wrong , we all pray to Allah ,
Allah , Mohmammed and if you are Shia , prophet daughter and another 12 imams waiting for 12th !!!!
even we have different view of things .
We cur heads of each other for such different views and we are naive tools in hand of clergies connected to different political power and war mongers due to such different views.Congregation prayer is good , don't limit yourself to certain rules . Happy to have you here. I'm new also to this site . First day for me.
Please read all tread before responding.
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Bahman
Which Imam? Where in Quran find such verse follow Imam.?What about Friday prayer , it's not written in the Quran to be in the mosque and in congregation ?!!
We cur heads of each other for such different views and we are naive tools in hand of clergies connected to different political power and war mongers due to such different views.
Well , we will always differ , even in your same sect of Quran alone you also differ .
And if thy Lord had willed, He verily would have made mankind one nation, yet they cease not differing,( 11-11 -
Peace All,
Thanks Brother Bahman for your points. I found it quite interesting how this thread I started turned out some very interesting conversations.
I don't need and Imam....I only need God and Quran. I can't go to a masjid where they invoke Muhammad in their prayers and preach hadith. God commands us NOT to pray in such a masjid.
There are those who abuse the masjid by practicing idol worship, dividing the believers, and providing comfort to those who oppose GOD and His messenger. They solemnly swear "Our intentions are honorable!" GOD bears witness that they are liars.
You shall never pray in such a masjid. A masjid that is established on the basis of righteousness from the first day is more worthy of your praying therein. In it, there are people who love to be purified. GOD loves those who purify themselves.I have downloaded all of RK's khutba's and was thinking I would take a break from work and view one each Friday. That is at least something. God willing, maybe one day I will meet more people like myself and we can get together on Friday's for Jumah.
As much as I wish there was a community of believers like myself where I live, I still feel blessed that I know the truth and that God is with me. I am also grateful for this site which has put me in touch with some wonderful people and I've made some great friends.
Peace and Blessings.
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Peace Sarah
7430 Over it is nineteen and thank you for your patinece.
You may like tose this file.
http//y19.net/19cycle.html
I wish good luck in our search and study.
Take care and see you again )
God Bless.
BahmanPeace
7430 is refering to the number of Angels who are Garding "SuKer", and not to a Code that God made to protect the Quran. Your Code made you delete the Last Verses of Chapter 9; by doing so you are disblieveing the purity of the Quran that God promised to protect. Please read my view regarding Code 19 at
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16725.30
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7430 is refering to the number of Angels who are Garding "SuKer", and not to a Code that God made to protect the Quran. Your Code made you delete the Last Verses of Chapter 9; by doing so you are disblieveing the purity of the Quran that God promised to protect. Please read my view regarding Code 19 at
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16725.30
PeacePeace. )
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Peace All,
Thanks Brother Bahman for your points. I found it quite interesting how this thread I started turned out some very interesting conversations.
I don't need and Imam....I only need God and Quran. I can't go to a masjid where they invoke Muhammad in their prayers and preach hadith. God commands us NOT to pray in such a masjid.
I have downloaded all of RK's khutba's and was thinking I would take a break from work and view one each Friday. That is at least something. God willing, maybe one day I will meet more people like myself and we can get together on Friday's for Jumah.As much as I wish there was a community of believers like myself where I live, I still feel blessed that I know the truth and that God is with me. I am also grateful for this site which has put me in touch with some wonderful people and I've made some great friends.
Peace and Blessings.Peace dear brother Bob.
Your presence in thus forum and your cause for believing in God Alone Quran Alome specially to be an Ex Jew is sign of God and support for those that their hear beats only for God Alone and Quran Alone based on Solid Proof.
Please check your works here and let me know if is ok. ) ?
God Bless