Hijab
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Salam Huruf
Yes , I agree with you , what is the point of hijab . Did wearing it make any difference to Muslims women and the world ? Corruption still there .
What is the point of praying ? did our prayers made any difference to many of us Muslims , did it change the world ? Corruption still there .There is no point in seeing the advantages of anything because we don't want to see it .
No one is saying hijab is magic and salat is magic but that doesn't make us ignore the good side of it .
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Please, do not sell me a lame cow. "Hijab", the hijab you are talking about, is not a synonim for modesty, it is not commanded in the Quran, however much you snatch at straws, and doesn't have good or bad sides to it. It is merely an simply and invention. If you feel better hijabing about, please do not feel conspicous and hijab yourself to your hearts content, it is your business and nobody else's. Do not come though telling that it is some commandment, do not come imposing on believers burdens that God Himself has not imposed. Do not infringe on the scope that our Merciful modeller has given us to lead our lives making use of the faculties He has given us and has commanded us to use. Do not impose restrictions nor condition our morality and submission to God to a certain purported fashion or use, actual or imagined. Islam is not about fashion and God has not said that we should follow a fashion, but judgement, our honest, thankful judgement.
And not hijab is not magic nor good. Enjoy it with all my blessings if you like it, but do not sell it as moral merchandise. It is not. It may be a merchandise, but it is not per se moral or inmoral. If you want to dress decently, you will, without having to pay homages or regards or sacralise a piece of contrived clothing for anybody else but yourself, if you feel like it. You cannot uphold moral by undermining sincerity and purity and imposing invented burdens, just because you feel that these burdens have certain (magic) properties.
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Please, do not sell me a lame cow. "Hijab", the hijab you are talking about, is not a synonim for modesty, it is not commanded in the Quran, however much you snatch at straws, and doesn't have good or bad sides to it. It is merely an simply and invention. If you feel better hijabing about, please do not feel conspicous and hijab yourself to your hearts content, it is your business and nobody else's. Do not come though telling that it is some commandment, do not come imposing on believers burdens that God Himself has not imposed. Do not infringe on the scope that our Merciful modeller has given us to lead our lives making use of the faculties He has given us and has commanded us to use. Do not impose restrictions nor condition our morality and submission to God to a certain purported fashion or use, actual or imagined. Islam is not about fashion and God has not said that we should follow a fashion, but judgement, our honest, thankful judgement.
And not hijab is not magic nor good. Enjoy it with all my blessings if you like it, but do not sell it as moral merchandise. It is not. It may be a merchandise, but it is not per se moral or inmoral. If you want to dress decently, you will, without having to pay homages or regards or sacralise a piece of contrived clothing for anybody else but yourself, if you feel like it. You cannot uphold moral by undermining sincerity and purity and imposing invented burdens, just because you feel that these burdens have certain (magic) properties.
bravo
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just because you feel that these burdens have certain (magic) properties.
I'm not feeling anything magical , I'm just a submitter to GOD's' orders . You can't ignore the fact that the word khimar is in the quran , khimar was known to the Arabs as head cover , or maybe you don't like the word khimar because it's out of fashion and God wouldn't command us of such unfashionable dress !!
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2Pac - Notts
The women MAY have been covering their head as part of the cultural wear in those days but it certainly wasn't commanded by Allah as part of islam.
I told you before that they wouldn't have done that without the approval of the prophet , if he approved it , it means that what is his understanding of the verse.
way before the prophet was born, people were wearing head covers.
How do i know that????!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????
Sand! To cover themselves from the sand. And direct contact from the sun. And dust.
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I'm not feeling anything magical , I'm just a submitter to GOD's' orders . You can't ignore the fact that the word khimar is in the quran , khimar was known to the Arabs as head cover , or maybe you don't like the word khimar because it's out of fashion and God wouldn't command us of such unfashionable dress !!
It does not command any "hijab", my dear, it does not, nor does it speak of any "hijab". And I am not going to go into the little "turn around forever" play hijab fans so much like. I know the tactic of imposing it out of seer downwearing of people. Fiddling with the Quran is not going to make a command appear where there is none. NONE. NONE, my dear, NONE. You will have to wait for another creation in order to have a "hijab" by God's commandment, if such a thing will ever happen.
At any rate, you, like we all, are free to put on whatever you desire, so thank God no problem. -
As Salaam Alaikum Fajr,
As far as I am concerned the Quran tells me to cover my breast and lengthen my clothes. That's it. He doesn't tell me how to wear a "khimar" (besides covering my breast) or how long my "jilbab" should be.
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Salaam,
Elke and others. You are wrong, you are all completely wrong. You seem to labour under the notion that the principle of hijab has something to do with logc and that it springs from a desire for decency, or modesty or keeping men from sinning by not tempting them or something of sorts.
salaam, huruf, just to set things strait. I do not believe anything like it, but some that wear hijab do, some that wear hijab don't...
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Salaam, Elke,
Sorry, sister, I didn't mean to attribute to you or anybody anything. You sure are pefectly capable of attributing to yourself everything you need without my help. I took the liberty of using your previous post to get me going on some sarcamized versions of certain visions of "hijab". Other than that I am one of those who trust each and every person, woman or man, to be eminently capable of choosing the way they dress and present themselves as most appropriate to their needs and aspirations and wish them all well in their endeavours and trust that God will guide them in everything.
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Wa alaikum Alsalam TAJ
Yes , I do . why? . It is not written in the Quran ? The way we pray is not written in the Quran but it reached us by tawator , same for covering the hair , one hadith says " No salat accepted from the woman without khimar " Khimar was known to them as a head cover .
Peace.
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Peace Fajr,
It is not a matter of traditions or customs because surely the prophet wouldn't allow something like that to be in Islam if it is not a real part of it .
Well, following that logic, sandals should also be obligatory.
Look, I don't think anyone has a problem with people wearing hijab. The problem comes when people say it's obligatory based on the qur'an, when it clearly is not. And whoever said salat is not accepted without khimar should explain that to the birds (who know their salat according to the qur'an).Peace,
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The problem comes when people say it's obligatory based on the qur'an, when it clearly is not.
Salam Tay
It is obligatory just because of the word khimar . Khimar means the head cover. I don't know why people aren't convinced of hijab when this word khimar is there .
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Salam Tay
It is obligatory just because of the word khimar . Khimar means the head cover. I don't know why people aren't convinced of hijab when this word khimar is there .
Well thank God, Fajr, now I see that, since the word "pork" is mentionned in the Quran, we Muslims have the obligation to eat pork. You have saved us, otherwise we might have thought that we were under no obligation to eat pork, but that Word being mentioned in the Quran, there is not doubt now that we have the obligation to eat pork. You are such a tremendous reasoner. But having such powerful reasons on your side, why do you follow the Goebbelsian tactic of repeating things ad nauseam, as if you were convinced that repeating them will make people believe what they through reason do not believe?
I ask myself if you think perhaps that you are playing here some game of wits, but imposing on people obligations that God has not imposed is taking a lot upon yourself. You are not God to play with His words or impose what you think His words should have been. Is it really God?s will what you mean to serve?
Regarding prayers with your head covered because you are woman, according to you, if you are alone with God, who is it that your hair might tempt?
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Salam alikum Huruf
It is not only the word khimar is in the Quran but also the word salat , zaka , haj . The word pigs , intoxications and gambling were associated with prohibition . The word khimar was associated with putting it to cover the bosom , no prohibition here .
You know huruf it is not a fight but we try to find away not to understand the Quran and follow it , I'm not imposing it on anybody . If you strongly believe that it is not obligation then inshaAllah it will be ok , those who think and know it is an obligation and still not wear it here I think comes the problem .Peace.
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who is it that your hair might tempt?
I remember someone telling me the jinn get tempted by long flowing hair and they are just waiting for an opportunity when a woman has her hair undone... ;D I obviously asked, so what happens then, what followed was a dramatic pause and then "well of course they possess you!" with a how very dumb look at me. I said, clearly, that is indeed a dire predicament especially when brooms are involved, not to mention exorcists who want to be alone with the possessed women during some exorcisms.
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The problem comes from where there is no command you put in a command, for no reason, gratuitously, because somebody seems to think that the Quran is short in words and has missed something that should have been done, but that the Quran has failed to do, because it cannot be that the Quran couldn't care less whether the hair is covered or not, can it? No it cannot be, the Quran cannot be right and everybody wrong, can it?
Hijab is an invention. No million of words in the Quran can make a command appear where there is none. AND there is no command, and nowhere is the usefulness or morality of any hijab pointed at or suggested.
Salaam
