REF: virgin birth, what about Cloning ?
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No sir, you are in error.
Jesus and Adam are alike in how they were created. They were not made from spurting fluid. They were made from dust. that is their only likeness that is all God says they are in likeness to HOW THEY WERE CREATED (which is why God said it all together in one sentence). All of mankind was created from SPERM except Adam and Jesus. The quotes you use simply mean that We all came from sperm AND BEFORE THAT we all originated from ADAM who was CREATED FROM DUST. So in essence WE ARE ALL FROM DUST. Even though we are born from sperm, we go back to Adam who is the only one APART FROM JESUS, created from dust. Your quotes you use do not contradict. Nor is my understanding of Adam "mythological" it is only logical.
Peace
In what sense and how was Adam contructed by dust? Was he first made into clay and then life was breathed into him? So the clay became cells of carbon? And was Jesus also made out of silicone/clay in Mary's womb? Or was any sort of cells involved in her womb?
Also why is the last word in the verse 359 in present tense making Adam present now here?
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In what sense and how was Adam contructed by dust? Was he first made into clay and then life was breathed into him? So the clay became cells of carbon? And was Jesus also made out of silicone/clay in Mary's womb? Or was any sort of cells involved in her womb?
Also why is the last word in the verse 359 in present tense making Adam present now here?
I said earlier God does as he pleases, He says so in the Qur'an. I was not there at the time of Adam so it would be arrogant to assume such things as how exactly he was created. But God outlines it does he not? I'll find the quote for you on how He created Jesus
"Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God, His word, directed to Mary, a spirit from Him."
God willed it so it was, regardless of how it happened. He was born. I was not there with a microscope nor was I the midwife, so my basis on this debate is the Qur'an alone and not my own experiences. The likeness between Jesus and Adam is that they were not born from underrated fluid. I don't see how it is that hard to accept. In the Qur'an God addresses Mankind and he says
"it is He who shapes you all in the womb as He pleases."
36Now Adam was not born in the womb. And there are no contradictions in the Qur'an. As you know so the sense of all means Mankind as descendants from ADAM are ALL different from Adam in that he had no womb. God makes it clear that Adam is different in "the Cow" and throughout the Qur'an. So this further proves what I was saying that WE all come from sperm and we all trace back to Adam who came from Dust. This does not contradict and God outlines this process in the verses you yourself quoted. We are not the same as Adam in our birth, but we did come from Adam and he was from Dust. Jesus was born in a womb so he is different from Adam in this sense along with all mankind. Only Adam had no womb. Try making a baby with no womb... IVF involves reinsertion of the fertilised egg back into the woman.Again the ONLY likeness between Christ and First Man is that they were not made from underrated fluid. Nothing else.
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Again the ONLY likeness between Christ and First Man is that they were not made from underrated fluid. Nothing else.
That is a subjective interpretation not an absolute one. So we have to disagree on this point then.
Peace
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That is a subjective interpretation not an absolute one. So we have to disagree on this point then.
Peace
It is what I understand yes. I hope I made it clear why I believe this? I do understand what you are saying, and it makes sense to me also, I agree with most of what you are saying. All my basis in this debate is what I read in the Qur'an.
Peace
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Example of why it is not subjective.
If I say "Me and my sister are just alike we both come from our Mother and Father"
That is not a contradictive statement. Because I am sayin we are alike only on these terms. I am not sayin we are both female, both the same age or both the same in every way shape or form. In this statement we are only alike in Mother and Father giving us life. The first part gives us the idea, the second part gives us the PRECISE context. This is the same in the verse we are disputing about. Now if you read that statement any way else that is your misinterpretation. Because that sentence is clear, it only refers to the Mother and Father. Just as the verse in the Qur'an refers to only creation from dust. As you know Man is either created from dust or sperm. Since God says they are both from dust, then they are not from sperm. Therefore they are just alike they both did not come from spurting fluid. There can be no bias involved, it is just logical.
Peace
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A/A to all.
Before we should ponder on the verses of Quoran we must keep a big picture of the universe. Try to understand the laws of nature. We are living in the age of technology. The Holy Quoran commands us not to have blind faith and always reason.
The story of Adam and Eve is a symbolic not in reality. Adam is the person who is God fearing and wise, guiding people to the right track. Prophet Moses has been given the attribution of Adam mentioneed in Quoran.According to Bible the Adam appeared about five thousand years ago where as the body of dead person was found in Kenya which is one hundred thousand years old.
One of my friend who introduced me to your website asked me how come jesus was addressed as son of Mary several times not by his father's name, A good question???
It reminds me about one of our own story. We belong to a village of Peshawar Pakistan. The population was about ten thousand at that time. One of my aunt was married to a gentleman who was from another town about five miles away. My auntie husband was in army so they had been moving from one place to another. My auntie had two sons, when she visited the village after long time, almost those ten thousand people knew that these two boys are the sons of auntie (her name). no body ever mentioned the name of their father as they did not know.I hope viewers will have a clear picture now. Please keep in mind God Almighty will never break his law for any one.
Till one does not sow nothing will crop up. But a seed a mango is sowed do not expect apple. -
A/A to all.
Before we should ponder on the verses of Quoran we must keep a big picture of the universe. Try to understand the laws of nature. We are living in the age of technology. The Holy Quoran commands us not to have blind faith and always reason.
The story of Adam and Eve is a symbolic not in reality. Adam is the person who is God fearing and wise, guiding people to the right track. Prophet Moses has been given the attribution of Adam mentioneed in Quoran.According to Bible the Adam appeared about five thousand years ago where as the body of dead person was found in Kenya which is one hundred thousand years old.
One of my friend who introduced me to your website asked me how come jesus was addressed as son of Mary several times not by his father's name, A good question???
It reminds me about one of our own story. We belong to a village of Peshawar Pakistan. The population was about ten thousand at that time. One of my aunt was married to a gentleman who was from another town about five miles away. My auntie husband was in army so they had been moving from one place to another. My auntie had two sons, when she visited the village after long time, almost those ten thousand people knew that these two boys are the sons of auntie (her name). no body ever mentioned the name of their father as they did not know.I hope viewers will have a clear picture now. Please keep in mind God Almighty will never break his law for any one.
Till one does not sow nothing will crop up. But a seed a mango is sowed do not expect apple.o
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Are you Arnold, using different name confused
God can break his Law any time he wants, as he did with Jesus virgin birth, Moses when he spoke directly to God, the people of Cave, When God Blew out the Mountain.
jedi
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A/A. to all.
I am just a new member on board.
I am working at a place where internet is seldom avavialble and more over I am too busy to find some time to look at intrenet. However, I will try my best to participate in the forum.
Quoran is commanding us to ponder on the verses which means do not jump on the reading straight away with out understanding the depth.
The time when Mary was living fonication, adultry was very common. Check Bible the old testament and new testament. She was raised in very neat and cleaned evoirments which means she was virgin.
When Mary started growing up Prophet Zakriya was worried to get her married as per the laws of nature. Mary saw a dream where angle in form of man told her that she will be become a mother of a son whose name will be Jesus. She replied how i can become a mother when no man has touched me. Does this mean she has not allowed any man to come to her like committing fornication or adultry. No , not at all rather she was trying to tell that I am not married.
The angle said that will be done per law of nature. Since Mary was dedicated to synogogue and Zakrya was scared of anger by the jewish people so in secretly she was married to Joseph Carpenter.Is these story was revealed to you by your Angle.
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Example of why it is not subjective.
If I say "Me and my sister are just alike we both come from our Mother and Father"
That is not a contradictive statement. Because I am sayin we are alike only on these terms. I am not sayin we are both female, both the same age or both the same in every way shape or form. In this statement we are only alike in Mother and Father giving us life. The first part gives us the idea, the second part gives us the PRECISE context. This is the same in the verse we are disputing about. Now if you read that statement any way else that is your misinterpretation. Because that sentence is clear, it only refers to the Mother and Father. Just as the verse in the Qur'an refers to only creation from dust. As you know Man is either created from dust or sperm. Since God says they are both from dust, then they are not from sperm. Therefore they are just alike they both did not come from spurting fluid. There can be no bias involved, it is just logical.
Peace
Hang on!
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