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    Meek
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    (Meek when are you gonna learn how to quote!? )

    Regards

    Ramzi

    hmm

    Ok... let's see if this works... and if so, Hey... I just successfully completed a quote! yay

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      Dotty
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      Salaam,

      It makes my heart happy to read posts like this. Welcome, welcome, welcome... aqidah, meek & ramzi!

      peace
      dotty

      oh for crying out loud... for this small sentence I had to edit coz I can't spell your names right

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        aqidah
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        peace to all. ;D
        thanks for all the support. handshake

        I am so sad of knowing that so many Muslims are so lost in tradition and that many don't spend very much time reading ALLAH's Word, His Message... the Qur'an!

        well actually, we do read the Quran (alot)....we just dont get it...as in the meaning...
        i remember getting an offline msg a long time ago from one of the 'religious' friends that i hv...she sent a hadith which justifies that it is 'ok' to read the Quran w/o understanding the meaning...we'll be rewarded just fine... confused

        one of the rituals that really send me the creeps now is where a bunch of people sit in a circle reciting Yaseen and having bottles of water in the middle of the circle.and without knowing the meaning of the Yaseen..we'd read it all night long...

        looking from a different perspective now, anyone could have seen us as chanting nonsense while hoping that the water would then be 'upgraded' and consumed during eg. exams

        love and peace,

        aqidah


        Give peace a chance

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          Dotty
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          hmm

          Ok... let's see if this works... and if so, Hey... I just successfully completed a quote! yay

          Well done meek! Now you just have to add a pic and you'll be set.

          peace

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            TheNabi
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            Welcome Aqidah

            You'd probably be better off forever searching and making small strides than sitting blind in a horribly disgraceful home. I think books are meant to convey ideas not to be dead things. But even the dead have something to offer us and this world.

            Joe

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              Wakas
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              Welcome.

              I like to point out that the purpose of all books ever written, is for their message to be understood. The Quran has the same goal. Understanding is very closely related to application.

              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                Wakas
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                I forgot to say, for fellow londoners, check out quranconnection.com

                All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                  Alen
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                  Peace,
                  Respectfully.

                  welcome to the forum, dear sister and may The Exalted God help you, bless you, protect you from all evil and guide you to Paradise. I hope you will enjoy your stay on the forum, i'm looking forward talking to you.

                  Have you read thishttp//submission.org/women/

                  May The Exalted God AllPowerful, The Most Merciful bless you.
                  Glory be to our God, The Forgiver.
                  Peace. jedi

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                    Bubbles
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                    Salaam and welcome

                    When it comes to comparing men and women, these are what I used to know.

                    1. Men were made better.
                    2. Men can have 4 wives.
                    3. Men can beat their wives.

                    I thought I should let you know that number 2 and 3 are rooted in the Quran. Before anyone attacks me for saying this I am aware that some hadith rejectors don't agree with the translations that suggest this, but it was a particular understanding of the Quran rather than hadiths that led to the belief in number 2 and 3.

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                      TheNabi
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                      Peace

                      1 would be rooted in the quran too, in the same verse in which the interpretation that women can be beat is derived.

                      Joe

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                        Peace "Bubbles",

                        Salaam and welcome

                        I thought I should let you know that number 2 and 3 are rooted in the Quran. Before anyone attacks me for saying this I am aware that some hadith rejectors don't agree with the translations that suggest this, but it was a particular understanding of the Quran rather than hadiths that led to the belief in number 2 and 3.

                        JK- Whether you follow other hadith besides Quran OR you use hadith literature to interpret the Quran, which here has obviously been the case, distaters are bound to happen. "muslims" never cared to cross reference the Quran and see what the verse in question 434 really means. hers an article where this has been done
                        http//www.yuksel.org/e/religion/unorthodox.htm#BEATING
                        GOD Bless!

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                          Alen
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                          When it comes to comparing men and women, these are what I used to know.

                          1. Men were made better.
                          2. Men can have 4 wives.
                          3. Men can beat their wives.

                          Peace,
                          Respectfully.

                          Their Lord responded to them "I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you male or female - you are equal to one another. Thus, those who immigrate, and get evicted from their homes, and are persecuted because of Me, and fight and get killed, I will surely remit their sins and admit them into gardens with flowing streams." Such is the reward from GOD. GOD possesses the ultimate reward.

                          1.The Muslim woman has the same right as the Muslim man in all matters including divorce.Quran 3195

                          1. She enjoys property and inheritance rights. (Which other religion grants women these rights?). She can also conduct her own separate business.Quran 47

                          2. She can marry any Muslim of her choice. If her parents choose a partner for her, her consent must be taken. Quran 424-25

                          3. The dowry in Islam is a gift from a husband to his wife .Quran 44

                          4. A Muslim widow is allowed to remarry, and her remarriage is the responsibility of the Muslim society. Quran 2234

                          6.Mixed marriage is encouraged and is a mean to prevent racism creeping in society.Quran 425

                          1. A Muslim mother (and father) is given the highest form of respect. Quran 1723

                          2. Marriage is between consenting adults. Since marriage is a more significant institution than a financial one which needs maturity, see 46. Maturity and understanding is required for marriage as much.

                          9.God teaches clearly in the Quran "...do not reverence human beings; you shall reverence Me (God) instead...." Quran 544, 918

                          When it comes to having four wives, we can't just marry the first four virgins we see in the nieghborhood. The Quran is very clear whom to marry and gives a clue why.

                          If you deem it best for the orphans, you may marry their mothers - you may marry two, three, or four. If you fear lest you become unfair, then you shall be content with only one, or with what you already have. Additionally, you are thus more likely to avoid financial hardship.

                          From 43 it is seen, God willing, that we are to marry 2 or 3 or 4 widows in order to take care of the orphan children, which means that if there are 2 or 3 or 4 widows in your area, it must means only one thing a devastating war has happened and most man are dead so the goal of such a marriage, to marry so many widows, is to repopulate the Earth and not for sexual pleasure.

                          A man can't beat his wife and let's leave it at that.
                          Let's see what The Exalted God The Most Just, The Most Wise says

                          434 "The men are to support the women by what God has gifted them over one another and for what they spend of their money. The upright women who are attentive, and keep private the personal matters for what God keeps watch over. As for those women from whom you fear a desertion, then you shall 1) advise them, and 2) abandon them in the bedchamber, and 3) "Idribuhun" let them go forth; if they obey you, then do not seek a way over them; God is High, Great."

                          As one can see, God willing, the first appraoch is psychological. The next is desertion from the bed and finally seperation. But as one knows, AlhamdilAllah, no one wants to be abandoned in bed, so the couple will return to step one - to the table and discuss it and solution is reached, InshaAllah.

                          Glory be to our God.
                          Peace.

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