What is the root for Hilm and Mumin and what do they mean
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Peace
The problem with the method shown in the link is that it will only work with a verse. Meaning you must have read a verse which contains hilm. I know the word hilm appears in Al Quran. But I dont know where the word occurs. Also I have no idea about the common meaning attributed to hilm. I will use this method for mumin though. For hilm I will attempt a phonetic search. Wakas are the roots for hilm ha-lam-miim or HA-lam-miim or something else. I will type the root in a phonetic search. Also bro concerning PRL I have a question. To my limited knowledge PRL is still incomplete. If so when do you think the database will be completed.
Thanks
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peace,
mumin = Alif-Miim-Nun
for hilm, it could be either of those roots you mentioned. Since you do not know an occurrence or a meaning then it could be either you are looking for, as both occur in AQ. It is likely you are looking for Ha-Lam-Miim however.
PRL is incomplete. It will be completed when the required effort has been put in. I cannot give you an exact time.
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Thanks bro
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Peace
Thanks Bro Al Araf. Coincedently I just found Mumin on PRL. I was looking in miim when I should have looked in Alif P. I also found. Thank you Both Wakas and Al Araf. Now I can
test my theory. Sorry Wakas for wasting your time. Thanks Al Araf for giving me the definition of hilm. Just one more small question. I assure you after this one I will shut up. The root of mumin also means according to PRL "manifestation of humility/submission". So can Mumin mean humble. Also the root of Mumin can mean "tranqil" so can mumin mean tranqil one. Our are we restricted to beliver. After this I will no longer annoy you with my pitiful writing style and basic questions. Thank you both for your patience.God Bless
Lareb -
Salam L.H. Much the same as in English. Arabic words can contain nuances. Take for example the word "beautiful" the original root of this word is the french "beau" which means handsome. However, one can use the term beautiful in a sarcastic manner. For example "Oh beautiful!" As you can see, answering someone who says what does beautiful mean, depends on the context in which it is used as well.
Turning to the Arabic noun momin, Arabic words are derived from the root, in this case amn or belief. Because a momin/believer is one who has submitted in humility and gained peace from Allah, the word momin has come to be used to convey those nuances as well.
Please keep in mind, it gets very tricky to translate in English. There are other Arabic words which are cause much grief to translators. One example that comes to mind is deen and nasr. Again another example is rab and malik. Ya yuhal al deen, oh you of the faith, nasru min allah, have faith in Allah... do you see the problem? Rab al aalameen, lord of the worlds, malik yown deen, lord of the day of faith... see the problem.
Much of this stems from differing roots, malik means posessor, however it is sometimes used to mean king. This brings us to malaik which would then be the ones possessed. That doesnt come across well in English at all, the English term posessed is generally a negative statement.
When offering translations please be aware we are giving you the closest fit. It is never 100% fit, probably in the region of 60 ro 70% fit. At the risk of droning on, that is why there is such a dislike for translations and constant reminders that it is better to learn Arabic.
Allah is the best of those who teach.
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Peace
Al Araf thank you very much for your answer. But it seems you misunderstood me. I understand the translation problem quite clearly. I think its called eqivalence by translaters. A example from urdu can be given. "Upne dill sa pooch, yi Maulana se ni". A litrally translation would be "your heart you ask, this Maulana from not". It does not make sense. A translation done with making sense in mind would be "ask your heart, not the Maulana (cleric)". Meaning dont seek advice from clerics think for yourself. Also many terms in one languge have no eqivalent in another. My question concerning mumin is based on confusion regarding roots. Can a derivative of a root in classical arabic have another meaning. Al Araf please forgive me I have very little knowledge on this subject consider yourself a teacher.
Thank you
Lareb -
Salam L.H. As you may be aware, the development of Arabic, began with Cuneiform around 3,000 BC, then moved on to Aramaic around 1,200 BC, then to Hebrew around 600 BC, to pre-classical Arabic around 200 BC. As a result Arabic shares a lot in common with Hebrew and Aramaic.
One of the characteristics of Aramaic and Hebrew, is that each letter of the Aramaic and Hebrew alphabet is also a pictorial representation of an object. For example Aleph is an Ox head meaning power or head or the strong one, Beth is the inside of a tent or house, and so on.
When the letters are assembled in order they convey a meaning that drives deeper into the origin of the word. Lets look at the root of momin, amn. AMN is Aleph the Ox's head or strong one, Meem is water, and the letter Nun is the representation of a seed germinating.
Put these three concepts together, you come up with - the strong one - water - germinating seed. The beauty of the representation is you can see the seed, a human being, germinating and springing into life, when the water comes from Allah. Inshallah this germinating seed grows through rainfall from Allah and becomes a strong tree.
There is endless beauty and meaning in Allah's word, as Allah says if all the seas were ink they would be exhausted and Allah word would not be completed.
Allah raises man by stages.
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Peace
That was beautiful. May God bless you.
Lareb
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Thanks Wakas again
