Who are the people of the book?
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Peace "fairda",
"al-kitaab" includes further "kutub" in it. "kitaab" translates most literally into "something written/writing". Now there can be furrhter "thingswritten/writings" inside an already "writing" like in programming/mathematics we can have commands/functions which call themselves again. Such are known as RECURSIVE commands/functins(e.g. from maths is the function SIN(SIN(X)). From the conext of the Quran ahl-ul-kitaab refers to those who claim to have superficial attachment to GOD's Wrting throughout the times like Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, shiites, sunnis etc etc. GOD Bless! -
Peace "fairda",
"al-kitaab" includes further "kutub" in it. "kitaab" translates most literally into "something written/writing". Now there can be furrhter "thingswritten/writings" inside an already "writing" like in programming/mathematics we can have commands/functions which call themselves again. Such are known as RECURSIVE commands/functins(e.g. from maths is the function SIN(SIN(X)). From the conext of the Quran ahl-ul-kitaab refers to those who claim to have superficial attachment to GOD's Wrting throughout the times like Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, shiites, sunnis etc etc. GOD Bless!Peace JK
I am sorry your reply makes no sense to me so please do not bring your mathematics into a simple question. You anyway have a problem believing in the Qur'an without beleiving in NO 19, which goes to show that this book has not reached your heart or mind I should say.
So my questions again to others on this site is who are the people of the book as its talking about a book not books?
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Peace "farida",
Peace JK
I am sorry your reply makes no sense to me so please do not bring your mathematics into a simple question. You anyway have a problem believing in the Qur'an without beleiving in NO 19, which goes to show that this book has not reached your heart or mind I should say.
So my questions again to others on this site is who are the people of the book as its talking about a book not books?
peaceJK- What has this got to do with no 19? Do i see you being prejudiced against me? You acn ask any mathematcian regarding recursive functions. Im sure youve heard of sin x, cos x and tan x. This is elementary trigonometry. Now you can use double function like sin(cos (x)) or even sin(sin(x)) the latter of which is recursive. The word "al-kitaab" is the broad term and it means "the writing". Can there not be individual "writings" inside the big "writing"? Ofcourse there can. Infact you can call every statement in the Quran "kitaab" i.e. something WRITTEN. GOD Bless!
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Peace "farida",
JK- Why just because i disagree with you on certain issues. What kind of attitude is that? GOD Bless!
Listen JK I disagree with you on all issues. Does that make you understand my kind of attitude?
I do not consider you to be from the people of the book so I dont have to use my best manners with you in any discussion. Understand!! -
Salaam,
Tradionally we understood that this refers to jews and Christains but then it should have said "People of the books"
My question is, without referring to hadiths; who are people of the book?peace
faridaPeace Farida
Good calls his Torah, Bible, and Quran the Book, and not the Books; The reason He says that because the three Reavelations are calling for one Message.Allah! There is no Allah but Hethe Living, the Self-Subsisting Eternal. (2) It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Torah (Of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) (3) Before this as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong). Then those who reject Faith in the Signs of Allah will suffer the severest chastisement and Allah is Exalted in Might, Lord of Retribution. (3-4)
Therefore, The people of the Book are the People of Torah (they claim that they believe in Torah), the People of Bible (they claim they believe in Bible and Torah), and the People of Quran (they claim that they believe in the Torah, Bible and Quran).
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Peace Farida
Good calls his Torah, Bible, and Quran the Book, and not the Books; The reason He says that because the three Reavelations are valling for one Message.Allah! There is no Allah but Hethe Living, the Self-Subsisting Eternal. (2) It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Torah (Of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) (3) Before this as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong). Then those who reject Faith in the Signs of Allah will suffer the severest chastisement and Allah is Exalted in Might, Lord of Retribution. (3-4)
Therefore, The people of the Book are the People of Torah (they claim that they believe in Torah), the People of Bible (they claim they believe in Bible and Torah), and the People of Quran (they claim that they believe in the Torah, Bible and Quran).
PeaceSalaam
That makes Sunni and Shia people of the book too?
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Peace Farida
Good calls his Torah, Bible, and Quran the Book, and not the Books; The reason He says that because the three Reavelations are calling for one Message.Allah! There is no Allah but Hethe Living, the Self-Subsisting Eternal. (2) It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Torah (Of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) (3) Before this as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong). Then those who reject Faith in the Signs of Allah will suffer the severest chastisement and Allah is Exalted in Might, Lord of Retribution. (3-4)
Therefore, The people of the Book are the People of Torah (they claim that they believe in Torah), the People of Bible (they claim they believe in Bible and Torah), and the People of Quran (they claim that they believe in the Torah, Bible and Quran).
PeaceThanks Belalhamd for your input. I appreciate the effort to put in su many issues to help us all along, and I just noticed your signature. It is VERY good.
Now, in general and
reading the quote in conjunction with the Quran's assertion that to all peoples God sent messengers, and therefore messages,also aya 3.20
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and say to the people of the book and to those who are unlearned...
"We know that in many of the Quran ayas where the people of the Book are mentioned the speech is concerning events that were on at that moment, and referred to eople of the book at hand,
so bearing all that in mind, wouldn't it be conceivable that in fact people of the book, -the One Book, as you point out, that is, all authentic revelation- that people of the book are in fact, as opposed to unlearned, thos who got the message, that is, any recorded message, at any time or moment in history? That message, as with the gospels or torah may have been distorted in any way, but still it may there to whatever extent, and those people who follow that message in the measure they know it, wouldn't be also people of the book?
Salaam
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Peace Farida, huruf, all
Verse 320 is a good example to understand who is the group referred to as "ahl al-kitab" in contrast with "al-oummiyne".
In Arabic, one of the meanings of "ahl" is "one who is qualified for a task/job", we hear this even nowadays in sport for qualifications.
So it seems from 320 and other verses that "ahl al-kitab" is defining a group of "learned people" or "people able/qualified to read/write" in contrast with the unlearned ones. There is a big gap between these two groups in terms of knowledge, hence the scripture gives specific commands to the learned ones because they tend to abuse the other group and have higher responsibilities and capacities to influence their environment.
I think that this term "ahl al-kitab" has no religious meaning in the scripture (like pointing to Jews or Christians...), but is simply a general definition for the learned/educated people.
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Peace "farida",
Listen JK I disagree with you on all issues. Does that make you understand my kind of attitude?
I do not consider you to be from the people of the book so I dont have to use my best manners with you in any discussion. Understand!!JK- Do you disagree that
- The Quran is to be the only source of religious guidance and wer not to take any hadith besides it as religious or Divine law?
- Hadith are full of nonsense and barbaric laws?
- Shariah is one of the few surviving most violent laws on the planet?
If not then your not disagreeing with me on everything after all. Youve probably just been angered because of my view on Palestine. Well sorry ive my views and we may not agree on everything but to say we disagree on everything would be ridiculous. GOD Bless!
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Peace "farida",
That means that from among all the people of the book closest to us are the Sunni and the Shia and therefore we shoud deal with them in the best of manner?
peaceJK- You only deal with those people of the Book in the best manner who dont fight you because of your beliefs. As for those who attack you, as sunnis/shias are continuously threatening us, wer to do this
You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers.
You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.
Do not argue with the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) except in the nicest possible manner - unless they transgress - and say, "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is one and the same; to Him we are submitters."
Have you noted those who are plagued with hypocrisy, and how they said to their companions in disbelief AMONG the people of the scripture, "If you are evicted we will go out with you, and will never obey anyone who opposes you. If anyone fights you, we will fight on your side." GOD bears witness that they are liars.GOD Bless!
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Peace Farida, huruf, all
Verse 320 is a good example to understand who is the group referred to as "ahl al-kitab" in contrast with "al-oummiyne".
In Arabic, one of the meanings of "ahl" is "one who is qualified for a task/job", we hear this even nowadays in sport for qualifications.
So it seems from 320 and other verses that "ahl al-kitab" is defining a group of "learned people" or "people able/qualified to read/write" in contrast with the unlearned ones. There is a big gap between these two groups in terms of knowledge, hence the scripture gives specific commands to the learned ones because they tend to abuse the other group and have higher responsibilities and capacities to influence their environment.
I think that this term "ahl al-kitab" has no religious meaning in the scripture (like pointing to Jews or Christians...), but is simply a general definition for the learned/educated people.
Salaam Someone,
Your explanation makes sense, since those who have received scripture are mentioned in contrast to those who are illiterate.
The intellectuals and scholars shoulder a huge responsibility and can make a huge difference with their contributions. Take for example Freud; he studied human psychology and had a great understanding of how the human minds works. Among many theories, one was that if you repeat some thing again and again people will eventually come to believe it . This finding is put into practice in advertisements and commercials designed to make those on the receiving end get this subliminal message.
He could easily have warned people ?Guard yourself? your mind is susceptible to subliminal messages anyone repeats some things again and again it will end up corrupting your understanding of the truth so make sure you work on your mind to uphold the truth and not fall into this trap. Had he done this the world would have been a very different place today.
I always believed those who possess a better understanding will be questioned what they did with this gift to them and what was the end result of that contribution?
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Peace Farida,
Your explanation makes sense, since those who have received scripture are mentioned in contrast to those who are illiterate.
Yes, this explanation makes sense. However, I don't think that what is meant is illiterate in general. Just illiterate in the language of the book. This is confirmed by 278 which refer to some of the descendents of Israel
- And from them are "ummiyin" who don't know the book except "amani" (amani = recitation without knowing the meaning) and they are but assuming.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Ayman, all
To be more specific about "ahl al-kitab", I think it describes people who know some of the laws in action in this reality, not just someone who knows the alphabet and can write his name.
I think "bani israeil" is a sub-group of "ahl al-kitab", not the Jews necessarly. "bani" comes from "bana' " which means to build. "israeil" refers to someone knowing some of the laws of this reality (the laws of the god) but is trying to do too much and adding more rules to these laws for his own gain. They show too much righteousness in public, but in reality they scheme against the others. They don't take the straight road, but take curves, ups and downs, and make every argument to divert people from the main goal.
"israeil" comes from root "sara' " ( ), and means pour out or forth , pour forth , pour out , be poured(out or forth) , pour down , fulminate , gush , flow , leak , squirt, spread.
"bani israeil would then mean "people who create diversion".
Peace,
Mohamed
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Peace Ayman, all
To be more specific about "ahl al-kitab", I think it describes people who know some of the laws in action in this reality, not just someone who knows the alphabet and can write his name.
I think "bani israeil" is a sub-group of "ahl al-kitab", not the Jews necessarly. "bani" comes from "bana' " which means to build. "israeil" refers to someone knowing some of the laws of this reality (the laws of the god) but is trying to do too much and adding more rules to these laws for his own gain. They show too much righteousness in public, but in reality they scheme against the others. They don't take the straight road, but take curves, ups and downs, and make every argument to divert people from the main goal.
"israeil" comes from root "sara' " ( ), and means pour out or forth , pour forth , pour out , be poured(out or forth) , pour down , fulminate , gush , flow , leak , squirt, spread.
"bani israeil would then mean "people who create diversion".
Peace,
Mohamed
Peace all;
Please note that Israel is Prophet Jacob, thus a name of a True Prophet. Bani Israel are Bani Jacob (The Children of Jacob). There are the Good ones and the bad ones, and therefore, you can not generalize any Atribute to them (Good or Bad).
Thanks Belalhamd for your input. I appreciate the effort to put in su many issues to help us all along, and I just noticed your signature. It is VERY good.
Now, in general and
reading the quote in conjunction with the Quran's assertion that to all peoples God sent messengers, and therefore messages,also aya 3.20
"...
and say to the people of the book and to those who are unlearned...
"We know that in many of the Quran ayas where the people of the Book are mentioned the speech is concerning events that were on at that moment, and referred to eople of the book at hand,
so bearing all that in mind, wouldn't it be conceivable that in fact people of the book, -the One Book, as you point out, that is, all authentic revelation- that people of the book are in fact, as opposed to unlearned, thos who got the message, that is, any recorded message, at any time or moment in history? That message, as with the gospels or torah may have been distorted in any way, but still it may there to whatever extent, and those people who follow that message in the measure they know it, wouldn't be also people of the book?
Salaam
Peace; (thank You)
Any believer should be very careful when making conclusion that are not supported by Quran (or the True Bible and Torah).
I still believe that the True Bible and Torah are gaurded as the Quran; the reason I'm saying that is God, in the Quran, never mention that the Bible and Torah are corrupted by humans, rather, He said that they are his Book, and believer should believe on them.
Any Corruption happend in the Bible or Torah or Quran is in their translated virsions.As far as other people of the Book, beside the one we know, I can not give you an answer due to the lack of information in Quran.
May God Bless You.
PeacePeace Farida,
Yes, this explanation makes sense. However, I don't think that what is meant is illiterate in general. Just illiterate in the language of the book. This is confirmed by 278 which refer to some of the descendents of Israel
- And from them are "ummiyin" who don't know the book except "amani" (amani = recitation without knowing the meaning) and they are but assuming.
Peace,
Ayman
Peace Ayman,
I agree; and I add that their are Millions of those in the People of Quran. But we still have to call them the people of the Book.
Please note that the true believers are people of the Book, as well.Peace "farida",
JK- Do you disagree that
- The Quran is to be the only source of religious guidance and wer not to take any hadith besides it as religious or Divine law?
- Hadith are full of nonsense and barbaric laws?
- Shariah is one of the few surviving most violent laws on the planet?
If not then your not disagreeing with me on everything after all. Youve probably just been angered because of my view on Palestine. Well sorry ive my views and we may not agree on everything but to say we disagree on everything would be ridiculous. GOD Bless!
The disagreement is in many issues, and one of them your disbelieving in 9-128 & 129.
(Please let us not make this thread about Code 19)