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Timing of Salat and Missing Salat?

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    Aryan_Warrior
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    So I have been trying to figure this out for some tiime.

    I know that we have the dawn salat. I never can get up early enough for that and my alarm never gets me up. Thus I have been praying once I wake up in making it up. Is this made up or am I still commiting a sin by not doing it right on time?

    Also as for the dusk prayer, when does it end? I know it states it starts from sunset and goes till night but how late into the night? I remember traditionalists like shias state it goes till midnight, but I need confirmation here.

    Lastly, is doing a successful salat considered a rightous deed and thus added to your good deeds that will be used to counter against our sins on the day of judgement?

    Thanks

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      Kaiokenred
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      Salat doesn't mean prayer.

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        mmkhan
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        Also as for the dusk prayer, when does it end? I know it states it starts from sunset and goes till night but how late into the night? I remember traditionalists like shias state it goes till midnight, but I need confirmation here.

        Salaam AW,

        1778
        1778 Hold the contact prayer at the zenith of the sun, until the approach of the night; and recital of dawn; Indeed recital of dawn is witnessed.

        Hope this may help inshaAllah.

        May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
        mmKhan

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          simonejamilla
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          Salam to everyone.
          Just to repeat AW's question. What is the ruling on missing prayers for example; if you oversleep or you are very ill?

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            Salam to everyone.
            Just to repeat AW's question. What is the ruling on missing prayers for example; if you oversleep or you are very ill?

            Nothing. Prayer is worthless. You could do some push-ups instead.

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              dawngorgeous
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              Peace Kaiokenred,

              I hope you don't mind me saying, but you have some valuable knowledge and information, that could drive a lot of people forward very quickly in their quest for the truth.

              I agree with you now that salat does not mean prayer, but giving someone the link immediately to Safar's website could cause them not to have to go through a lot of pointless thinking and pondering.

              It is a quantum leap to move from believing in Quaran alone to some of Safar's interpretations, but I believe more of us need to read this.

              By the way, have you any idea if he finished his translation of the Koran? I can only find it up to Chapter 2.

              Dawn.

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                Kaiokenred
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                I don't really know if he translated it, but here's the website you mentioned

                Aidid Safar's website http//mentalbondageinthenameofgod.wordpress.com/ and you should also read
                Abdun Nur's website http//servantofthelight.com/

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                  Aryan_Warrior
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                  Nothing. Prayer is worthless. You could do some push-ups instead.

                  Hmmm i'm curious on what basis you you believe it isn't needed? While one might say salat isn't prayer, but the thing mentioned as getting up in the morning, the afternoon and the evening, what is that then? or do you find that is optional? If so can you explain it?

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                    Kaiokenred
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                    Where does it say you need to get up in the morning, evening etc...?

                    I know some verses say something like Do salat in morning and night (etc...), but that is actually translated as from morning till the night, it is different. Whether you take it as dawn and afternoon respectively

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                      Aryan_Warrior
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                      Where does it say you need to get up in the morning, evening etc...?

                      I know some verses say something like Do salat in morning and night (etc...), but that is actually translated as from morning till the night, it is different. Whether you take it as dawn and afternoon respectively

                      Hmm that makes sense, but i've seen some say that it states that it goes from the start of the first light in the sky to sunrise. So wouldn't that mean it is seperate? Though I may be wrong, can you bring up the verse?

                      As well why do you feel that salat isn't needed at all?

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                        Kaiokenred
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                        I don't know the verse number.

                        I don't feel salat isn't needed, I think salat doesn't mean prayer. Prayer totally goes against any reason I have and I cannot believe in it.

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                          Aryan_Warrior
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                          I don't know the verse number.

                          I don't feel salat isn't needed, I think salat doesn't mean prayer. Prayer totally goes against any reason I have and I cannot believe in it.

                          Alright but why do you think its not needed? I am still learning myself and would like to know? The Quran states that we should do salat, but what is the reason that tells you its not needed?

                          When i'm home i'll throw a few verses as I wanna hear some of your opinion on them

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                            Alright but why do you think its not needed? I am still learning myself and would like to know? The Quran states that we should do salat, but what is the reason that tells you its not needed?

                            When i'm home i'll throw a few verses as I wanna hear some of your opinion on them

                            I wasn't saying salat isn't needed, I was saying that salat doesn't mean prayer.

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                              Aryan_Warrior
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                              I wasn't saying salat isn't needed, I was saying that salat doesn't mean prayer.

                              Right I understand that, hmmm I guess I must have misunderstood that part XD but okay so you are saying that it can range from before sunrise till sometime at night. So therefore if one was to do salat just once between that, it still works?

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                                Kaiokenred
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                                Right I understand that, hmmm I guess I must have misunderstood that part XD but okay so you are saying that it can range from before sunrise till sometime at night. So therefore if one was to do salat just once between that, it still works?

                                It depends what does salat mean.
                                Someone translates it as commitment, someone else as desires etc...
                                So from that first persons' translation it would mean Be committed from morning to night, which is just a metaphorical way to always be committed.

                                There are other definitions as honor and support or them seperately, which in this case would be translated as Honor and/or support from morning to night etc... Hope you get my point.

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                                  simonejamilla
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                                  I looked on those links and I do not agree with any of them. To answer the question. I believe that if you miss prayer through illness or forgetfulness, it's up to the individual if they want to make the prayer up. Those websites seem to be leading people further away from Allah, liking Allah to light or energy. Just my opinion.

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                                    Kaiokenred
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                                    I looked on those links and I do not agree with any of them. To answer the question. I believe that if you miss prayer through illness or forgetfulness, it's up to the individual if they want to make the prayer up. Those websites seem to be leading people further away from Allah, liking Allah to light or energy. Just my opinion.

                                    That's one of the reasons why rituals can't be true... they're like, you know, rituals. Just my opinion

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                                      simonejamilla
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                                      That's one of the reasons why rituals can't be true... they're like, you know, rituals. Just my opinion

                                      Just because it is your opinion does not make it true. All through Al Quran, The God repeats verses, why? Because we are forgetful and need remindiing. There is nothing wrong with connecting to The God throughout the day. It helps us to remember The God. If it becomes ritualistic and feels like you are going through the motions, then change the way you connect with The God. Say something different each time. But I truly believe from what I read in Al Quran that connecting is an integral part of our commitment to The God.

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