What's up with these Hadith/Prophecies about the End of Times?
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The tokens/signs/indications/protents, have already come? What were they though?
The verse I quoted was in response to your original post that signs of judgement day are rubbish, that there's no such thing as a sign. Though you did confuse me by first posting that you believe that (quote) "There is no such thing as a sign for Judgement Day" and then later posting the signs which you believe have already happened (quote) "I believe in the signs that have happened, namely"
We can discuss maybe in another thread what the signs actually are - but the point is, to me the Quran indicates very clearly that there are SIGNS of the hour coming. For e.g. Gog and Magog will be one of the signs, since they are going to appear when the Hour is near (Surah Kahf). -
Salam,
WOW. (in case this is unclear the exasperated "WOW" is in regards to your apparent misunderstanding of much of what is written)
No, it means that I won't do your research for you. Especially when you've been told repeatedly where to read.
Salam,
ArnabYes I went and looked repeatedly where you and Farida "referenced" i.e. google and the geeta and the "what the christian missionaries" say. And I did NOT find the hadith prophecy I was discussing here. Farida and you apparently claim that the prophecies in the hadith are already in the christian texts and the gita, I am telling you that they are not! I'm sure there's some commonalities here and there between the hadith and the christian texts but the vast majority are different. For e.g. the one about bedouins competing to build tall buildings is not in them, or at least I did NOT find them so I had asked if you could please kindly direct me to them? But instead of doing that here you are telling me to "go search the gita" (YOU KNOW HOW EXTENSIVE THE GITA IS ????)
The truth is both of you are MAKING UP STUFF and thats WHY you can't provide a reference. If you had a reference you'd have provided it already. If this prophecy of bedouins competing to build tall buildings is in the gita or the christian texts as you claim they are, you would have shown it to me already. But you can't because you don't have a reference for something you made up. Needless to say your posts aren't trustworthy. If you wanna prove otherwise, just paste the reference from the gita or christian missionaries about the prophecy of bedouins competing to build tall building and I will happily stand corrected. Otherwise it's safe for me to conclude that you're just like the hadith believers who propogate heresay with no basis
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Peace bro "afridi",
Peace bro
i dont beleive in hadiths actually i was looking for aya in wch god says, Oh muhammed they are asking you when qiyamah will come ,tell them it will come all of a sudden.
I can remember that aya.
But how on earth one knows the sighn of something which comes all of a sudden. confused
peace
JK- Sorry for my misunderstanding. Yes i know those ayas too BUT notice that they are IN REFERNCE TO THE DISBELIEVERS. To them the hour will come suddenly whilst they were arrogantly wandering in their fantasy world
Losers indeed are those who disbelieve in meeting GOD, until the Hour comes to them suddenly, then say, "We deeply regret wasting our lives in this world." They will carry loads of their sins on their backs; what a miserable load!
INFACT the hour can also refer to the point of ones death as per these verses in the same sura
When they thus disregard the message given to them, we open for them the gates of everything. Then, just as they rejoice in what was given to them, we punish them suddenly; they become utterly stunned.
Say, "What if GOD's retribution came to you suddenly, or after an announcement, is it not the wicked who incur annihilation?"Then theres this verse which was perhaps the one you meant
They* ask you about the hour , and when it will come to pass. Say, "The knowledge thereof is with my Lord. Only He reveals its time. Heavy it is, in the heavens and the earth. It will not come to you* except suddenly." They ask you as if you are in control thereof. Say, "The knowledge thereof is with GOD," but most people do not know.*From the previous verses we have seen that this "they" and "you" here refers to the disbelievers which is also reinforced by the context of the verse preceding 7187
Whomever GOD commits to straying, there is no way for anyone to guide him. He leaves them in their sins, blundering. 7187 THEY ask you...We also notice from 7187 that GOD does reveal its time. GOD Bless!
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Peace bro "afridi",
JK- Sorry for my misunderstanding. Yes i know those ayas too BUT notice that they are IN REFERNCE TO THE DISBELIEVERS. To them the hour will come suddenly whilst they were arrogantly wandering in their fantasy world
Losers indeed are those who disbelieve in meeting GOD, until the Hour comes to them suddenly, then say, "We deeply regret wasting our lives in this world." They will carry loads of their sins on their backs; what a miserable load!
INFACT the hour can also refer to the point of ones death as per these verses in the same sura
When they thus disregard the message given to them, we open for them the gates of everything. Then, just as they rejoice in what was given to them, we punish them suddenly; they become utterly stunned.
Say, "What if GOD's retribution came to you suddenly, or after an announcement, is it not the wicked who incur annihilation?"Then theres this verse which was perhaps the one you meant
They* ask you about the hour , and when it will come to pass. Say, "The knowledge thereof is with my Lord. Only He reveals its time. Heavy it is, in the heavens and the earth. It will not come to you* except suddenly." They ask you as if you are in control thereof. Say, "The knowledge thereof is with GOD," but most people do not know.*From the previous verses we have seen that this "they" and "you" here refers to the disbelievers which is also reinforced by the context of the verse preceding 7187
Whomever GOD commits to straying, there is no way for anyone to guide him. He leaves them in their sins, blundering. 7187 THEY ask you...We also notice from 7187 that GOD does reveal its time. GOD Bless!
Many thanks Bro and God bless you too.
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The verse I quoted was in response to your original post that signs of judgement day are rubbish, that there's no such thing as a sign. Though you did confuse me by first posting that you believe that (quote) "There is no such thing as a sign for Judgement Day" and then later posting the signs which you believe have already happened (quote) "I believe in the signs that have happened, namely"
Yes I agree, I was not clear enough.
What I was trying to get across when saying "There is no such thing as a sign for Judegment Day".... is that currently (our life time) there will be no signs.
Because we are all dicussing the topic of Judgement Day, we have all indirectly accepted the signs that indicate that there will be a Judgement Day (Quran, the stories in it, and Muhammed being the last prophet).
I could have probably worded my first post better, seeing as the Quran refers to signs in 4718.
If you speak Arabic dbrowser7, I strongly recommend listening to The End Story by Tariq Al-Suwaidan,
http//www.islamcvoice.com/catplay.php?catsmktba=106&page=2#
He does refer to Hadith a few times, but as he mentions in the beginning of his lecture, it is only useful to know about these things.
Extensive research is pointless! The main aim is to know about what will happen during Judgement Day, to install fear into the hearts of the true believers. That way you will always be thinking about it. You will always fear God. You will always realise that your life on this earth is limited. You will realise how short the time you have is, thus, making you perform salat and zakat.
Remember God always!!
Regards
Ramzi -
Yes I went and looked repeatedly where you and Farida "referenced" i.e. google and the geeta and the "what the christian missionaries" say. "go search the gita" (YOU KNOW HOW EXTENSIVE THE GITA IS ????)
]Salaam,
It appears that you did try to search in geeta and for that effort I would oblige you with a reply. As you know I am not bothered with any signs outside the Quran so I will not search for you, but I will try and translate similar prophesy as closely as possible, from HINDI to Englishfor and you can use these clues to search what Geeta says about this era
According to Geeta parables
A- Aisa jug aye ga Huns kahyga gewn ka dana kowa moti kayga...an era would come when the crow will eat pearls (means those you call Bedouins would have immense wealth and have a lavish lifestyle/lofty towers) and the Swan will survive on ordinary.
B- For every little thing the son would frown at the father (Baat baat per beta baap ko annakh dekayga) Similar to the slave girl giving birth to her master.As you can see that Raams prophesied this era does that mean we start believing in Geeta too?
peace
P.S There are times when I get so annoyed with some of the posts on free-mind,s but today I keep laughing. It feels like some sort of comedy exchange on free minds. -
Salaam,
It appears that you did try to search in geeta and for that effort I would oblige you with a reply. As you know I am not bothered with any signs outside the Quran so I will not search for you, but I will try and translate similar prophesy as closely as possible, from HINDI to Englishfor and you can use these clues to search what Geeta says about this era
According to Geeta parables
A- Aisa jug aye ga Huns kahyga gewn ka dana kowa moti kayga...an era would come when the crow will eat pearls (means those you call Bedouins would have immense wealth and have a lavish lifestyle/lofty towers) and the Swan will survive on ordinary.
B- For every little thing the son would frown at the father (Baat baat per beta baap ko annakh dekayga) Similar to the slave girl giving birth to her master.As you can see that Raams prophesied this era does that mean we start believing in Geeta too?
peace
P.S There are times when I get so annoyed with some of the posts on free-mind,s but today I keep laughing. It feels like some sort of comedy exchange on free minds.ummmmm A crow = a bedouin ? pearls =competing with lofty towers ? What kind of logic is that ? Even IF this is in the Gita, (since you didn't quote a reference and your credibility in my eyes is not exactly that high, I don't really know if you're making this up or if it's really there) but even if it is there how the heck is a CROW = a bedouin or a shepherd ? and how is pearls = competing for building big buildings ?
I'd appreciate it if you could quit making things up. Still no references. I think I liked it better when you were obliging me by not giving me any "answers"
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ummmmm A crow = a bedouin ? pearls =competing with lofty towers ? What kind of logic is that ? Even IF this is in the Gita, (since you didn't quote a reference and your credibility in my eyes is not exactly that high, I don't really know if you're making this up or if it's really there) but even if it is there how the heck is a CROW = a bedouin or a shepherd ? and how is pearls = competing for building big buildings ?
I'd appreciate it if you could quit making things up. Still no references. I think I liked it better when you were obliging me by not giving me any "answers"
Salaam,
Do you think I really care that my credibility in your eyes is ?not exactly that high?, my only concern is my standing in the eyes of our Lord.
Now, for the last time, I will explain for the benefit of all following this thread.
Hindu religion is based on the caste system, Varna and jati and Brahmans, believed to have Caucasian origin,(Swan) are considered the highest caste and Dalits, sometimes called Untouchables, who are of black colour (crows) like Bedouins, considered commoners. Eating pearls, as opposed to eating grain, refers to indulgence.
I?ll tell you one more prophecy Every other house having naked girls dancing in them... and the irony is that Bollywood movies, played in every other house, have fulfilled this particular prophecy.
It could be that Raam was one of the unnamed prophets, as some of his teaching is similar to the messages of other prophets. Others are completely distorted. So should you start following Raam?s teachings when you have the Qur?an?
peace
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Salaam,
Do you think I really care that my credibility in your eyes is ?not exactly that high?, my only concern is my standing in the eyes of our Lord.
Now, for the last time, I will explain for the benefit of all following this thread.
Hindu religion is based on the caste system, Varna and jati and Brahmans, believed to have Caucasian origin,(Swan) are considered the highest caste and Dalits, sometimes called Untouchables, who are of black colour (crows) like Bedouins, considered commoners. Eating pearls, as opposed to eating grain, refers to indulgence.
I?ll tell you one more prophecy Every other house having naked girls dancing in them... and the irony is that Bollywood movies, played in every other house, have fulfilled this particular prophecy.
It could be that Raam was one of the unnamed prophets, as some of his teaching is similar to the messages of other prophets. Others are completely distorted. So should you start following Raam?s teachings when you have the Qur?an?
peace
For the last time, for the benefit of all following this thread, provide some reference from the Gita (reference is not equal to simply saying "Gita", you mite wanna learn how to provide a reference while you're at it) - chapter#'s, page #'s something, so we can check it out ourselves, and also compare the prophecies in the Gita to the prophecies in the hadith, since you claimed that maybe Bukhari cheated. And also if you do provide a reference at least we can be sure you're not making this up. And some basis for saying what you just said about the "black" and the "pearls" or so we know you're not making that up also. And if you're not going to provide a reference then I request you to stop wasting my time and the time of everyone on this thread. As I said I preferred it when you were "obliging" me by not giving me "answers" like the "gita has the same prophecies too" and then making another 10 posts trying to justify that in some twisted way. Let's see if you have the decency to not waste any more of my time.
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