perhaps i am not a Muslim...
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I do not know how you get into the thing about bibliolatry and seem to hang it on me. If you read a book, it either tells you something or not, ... ... I hope that getting meaning and sense out of something is not some "latry". It is in a book, is could be in the gutter in the sky anywhere where you see something that speaks to you en enlightens you...
As to the "violence prone muslims", I think I have had my fill of havint to answer for that when I know none of them
I am not hanging anything on you personally, but your reply shows there is room for fine tuning
You can not read in a book ?what it says?. This is the error bibliolatry is based on.
You can only take out of it what you your self put into it. The meaning of words in a book is exclusively defined by culture, ultimately by the reader.
That is why there is ALWAYS, and will always, be disagreement. And in matter of religion usually to the point of war and slaughter.
That is why god?s means of communication is NOT human language but direct transfer from him to your knowledge system. Inner knowing is immediate and flawless.
If you can find truth in the gutter, it is god speaking to you. Then you are not a bibliolatrist. bravoShocking to learn perhaps, but human language, written words, are part of the process of INvolution away from god, it reduces perceived reality from gods infinite creation to a finite and very limited collection of concepts/words. This reduction constitutes down fall.
Reversely, the Evolutionary return, the reconnection with god/creation that is in process as we speak, will include a return of gods system of communication and make the old system secondary if not redundant. The implication is that books and religions as we know them now will no longer exist. This is to happen very soon.
Until then, read carefully what I wrote books can be helpful in awakening what is already within you. But what is already within you depends on what you allowed in. Many allowed the violence of their culture, the very thing that religion seeks to overcome.
You may have had your fill as you put it in above quote, that?s fine.
But you are in denial when you say you do not know of any violence related to the ?islam and violence? topic, I suggest youtube.I fully agree whit what you say about political interference. However, being invited/pressed to kill is still not the same as actually doing it. The difference being personal responsibility and the abuse of gods gift of free will.
The Powers That Be who orchestrate the affairs of the world have long ago identified the muslim world as a suitable and eager party to manipulate into violence and war for the purpose of instilling FEAR into the sheeple as a means of control and excuse for ever more legislation that will eventually lead to total control and slavery.
Unfortunately, the reaction from the Islamic world proved them right.
Fortunately however, their (TPTB) time is up. God is playing his cards now and there is no stopping him. Soon this will become apparent.I wish you?d more carefully read what I write;
I never said that ?no muslims are speaking up against a twisted interpretation of the Quran?.
I often said/implied that many do, but added that there is no agreement among them.
I also explained why that is human language is NOT the tool for spiritual affairs, its scope is limited to the illusionary and very limited 3D world of our own making (with satan as our behind the scene director).
Only gods language is suitable for spiritual affairs; the wordless language of the heart.
It is your gut feeling, intuition, conscience, inner knowing and inner reception of messages or answers to questions asked that show the way.
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Dotty, salaam,
Please, where, what, which is that button. Tell me. I had no idea, where is it and how do youuse it? Reveal it to me.Thanks and salaam
Salaam huruf handshake
The button is at the left of each post... under the name of the poster. Although I have not used it, I'm thinking it's there for a reason.
To the moderators/admistrators... I'm curious though. I'm expecting that if I click the button under the name of a particular poster... then I will no longer be able to see only their posts, correct? Thanks.
Peace
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"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" can be used in any scenerio.
No, this can be used in only one scenario;
It simply means to imply that since no man is without sin, no man shall condemn another for it. Period.This poses a problem with regard to quranic rules for punishment.
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Salam dotty. Allah decides what is disgraceful and not any human being.
This is not about "going to the negative" This is about farida claiming SHE has been slandered when a reply was given to her question about having a second nikah with no talaq from the first nikah, and my reply that such conduct is adultery.
Farida identified HERSELF personally as the woman in question, when SHE claimed she had been slandered. I made no "going to the negative" FARIDA made the identification herself.
If Farida had kept her question in the abstract, there would not have been a problem. However, she is backbiting her husband, claiming his actions are evil, when in fact the actions she claims are evil are well within the limits for a momin. Then farida attempted to blackmail me into silence with a device, which was to claim she had been wronged by me. Whereas, I demonstrated her claim of wrong is false, there is no slander, and her claims of slander are libellious.
If a person posts a question in the abstract, the reply is in the abstract. If a person posts a question in the person, the reply is to the person. False protests do not put out the light of Allah with that persons mouth.
Allah separates the truth from falsehood.
You should stop sinning, my son, hard as it may be for you.
Salaam
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Salam anders. "Interpretation is the source of all false gospels"
You state "It simply means to imply that since no man is without sin, no man shall condemn another for it" this is interpretation and false gospel.
There is no such hudood of Allah, law of God, such as you claim. Please retract your false claims.
Allah is the lawgiver.
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I will do no such thing. I stand by what I said.
I said
no man is without sins.
I said
for this reason no man is in the position to judge another.
I say
the above is a teaching of Jesus that my inner knowledge recognizes as TRUTH.You may denounce this as false teaching if you feel the need, I will not demand retraction...
You better come off your high horses and refrain from demanding retraction whenever you see or hear something that is not included in your very limited knowledge system.
If you read te quran, then you know it says forgiveness is better than revenge/punishment, the latter merely being ALLOWED because of cultural conditions.
There is a great secret behind this
To judge/condemn other's sins is to put a LOCK on your door to heavens gate. It prevents you from entering it.
I do not seek my own destruction, but you may if you insist...We are living in a fallen world (that demands punishments).
The way out of it is to no longer play by its rules.
Your choice and free will decision. Not much time left.
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This is not about "going to the negative" This is about farida claiming SHE has been slandered when a reply was given to her question about having a second nikah with no talaq from the first nikah, and my reply that such conduct is adultery.
If a person posts a question in the abstract, the reply is in the abstract. If a person posts a question in the person, the reply is to the person. False protests do not put out the light of Allah with that persons mouth.
Allah separates the truth from falsehood.
Salaam everyone
I would lke, in the interest of this forum, for you to see for yourselves how deluded this man is. I am addressing him as A-A because he does not live up to his name and has sunk very low as we all can see.Salam dotty. Allah decides what is disgraceful and not any human being.
If Farida had kept her question in the abstract, there would not have been a problem.
This is what he is saying see below my simple/abstract question
? Reply #15 on August 12, 2008, 073345 PM
So is there no way out for a woman whose husband does not divorce her properly?
I know of other cases where a husband tricked the wife and made her sign a divorce paper, and then he just disappeared without announcing the divorce. Now the woman who has no children and who was married to him for around 19 years is wondering about her material status. Her Sunni mosque have offered to act as an arbitrator saying that they can grant her divorce even if they cannot contact him. Are they wrong?There is clearly a disease in A-A's mind that he replies in this manner
A-ASalam farida. There are always three sides to a story. The side from the complainant, the side from the respondent, and the most important side the truth.
You give us a completely one sided story, the other party has not had an opportunity to present their side of the story, and on this basis you expect rational people to form conclusions? That is utter nonsense.
Your story does not hold up under examination. You allege a husband tricked a wife into signing divorce papers. Allah's hudood requires the husband to go through the proper steps, first the arbitration, then the talaq issued in stages with the proper time intervals. There is no tricking a grown adult into signing papers. If the person is so weak minded they cannot avoid a "trick" they have no business claiming they were tricked. The presumption is a person has to look out for their own interests, and if they fail to do so, there is nobody who can protect them from their own stupidity. This trick wont be their only problem. Next the allegation is he just disappeared, It is unreasonable to expect anyone to believe this rubbish, you would have us believe that this woman got married to a stranger off the street, whom she never knew, she did no investigation as to his background, friends, and family, and somehow he vanished into thin air. Nothing could be more implausible. Next you claim a sunni mosque says they can issue a divorce. Given that last statement any reasonable person would believe that is not a mosque, not a sunni mosque, it is some sort of racket run by charlatans. Read the Quran, do you see any authority for such a claim?
The whole story is riddled with completely implausible scenarios, most likely the construction of a person who is mentally ill. My take on the story is, we have a woman who has taken off on her own after 19 years of marriage, has concocted this story of being tricked to elicit sympathy, and is looking for someone to be taken in by her fanciful story.
The short answer is the mosque is utterly wrong. They can neither issue a talaq, nor have they ever had the authority under the hudood to ever issue a talaq.
Allah sends down the distinction.
I ask why couldn?t he simply give the short answer underlined above(blue) and put his suspicious mind working on the whole issue when I simply asked a question? As you can see the bolded section he kept on saying that I am claiming all this which according to him ."..Nothing could be more implausible
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In the fourth para he came back with his kind of reasonable conclusion (see above green).I was very upset when I read this, as for the last eight months, I have been watching this woman suffering. She is left her with huge debts and the bailiff was on her doorstep before she realised what had happend. So my husband replied and said
My wife will not deign to reply to your harangue so I feel obliged to assert the truthfulness of the story that my wife very conscientiously told. You on the other hand have based your reply on thin air and assumptions. My wife and I knew the couple well and were shocked but not wholly surprised to learn what had happened. BTW it transpired that he had also been married to another woman that he also left without a proper divorce and went on to marry a 3rd woman. It's not important whether or not you believe what my wife wrote, by your demeanor I can tell that you're not a person I could respect or want any further dealings with
Here my husband clearly told him that this is no concocted story and we know that couple but he still was blind to the possibility of any harm having been done to this woman and replied
Salam farida's husband. You claim that you are entitled to assert the truthfulness of your wife's story. Your very response demonstrates the truth is NOT being told. Farida says "then he just disappeared" you on the other hand claim "BTW it transpired that he had also been married to another woman that he also left without a proper divorce and went on to marry a third woman"
f he disappeared you would have no information as to his marriages. however, you claim knowledge of his third marriage. At first glance it appears either you or your wife is not telling the truth, either he has disappeared and you know nothing, or he has not dissapeared and you know about him and his third marriage. These posts do not pass the smell test.
If the gentleman had married one woman, went on to marry another woman, then married a third woman, all three without giving any one of them a talaq, this gentleman is well within the hudood, he has a right accorded to him by Allah to have more than one wife. To speak ill of his conduct is gheebat, his conduct is that of a momin.
However, if one of his wives did not recieve a talaq, and has taken up with another man, then that wife is an adulterer under any definition of the word.If my demeanor is that of a person you cannot respect, the demeanor of a person who sumbits to Allah, my answer to you is very simple. You have no respect to give anyone being daeef. My respect comes from Allah and Allah alone
.Can you all see how A-A, without knowing the whole story, asserts that the "gentleman" is a Momin and it's gheebat to talk to talk of him in an ill manner..but that he can see its most likely the construction of a person who is mentally ill. Although in my post I never said that the woman remarried but he comes with his verdict .."one of his wives did not recieve a talaq, and has taken up with another man, then that wife is an adulterer under any definition of the word.
He is insisting thatFarida identified HERSELF personally as the woman in question, when SHE claimed she had been slandered. I made no "going to the negative" FARIDA made the identification herself.
I invite everyone to read all the posts and tell me where did I identify myself as that woman I said to him I brought you this question and ... so I am mentally ill and the woman (ie my friend) he says this "we have a woman who has taken off on her own after 19 years of marriage, has concocted this story of being tricked to elicit sympathy, and is looking for someone to be taken in by her fanciful story."
Without her permission I could not give anymore confidential information.
You called him within hudood, "a momin" who takes one wife after another and has not been maitaining his wives by giving them their financial and sexual rights and then you go on to talk about the demeanor of a person who sumbits to Allah. You did not believe me when I told you a short problem but you quickly qualified this person whom you don't know as a momin. By yourself you judge others so maybe he's your kind.of "momins".
He did not reply so I chased him on other thread and in the next posts with permission from my friend I disclosed how the first wife and third wife met and confronted him again; again he had no reply and when I asked him how come this double standard he came out with his dirty mind to conclude that I am an adulterer. The rest is all in his reply above.
I ask anyone to tell me was not my first post short and abstract? So why did he came up with his understanding of story and after uttering all sorts of filth gave his reply. The short answer is the mosque is utterly wrong. They can neither issue a talaq, nor have they ever had the authority under the hudood to ever issue a talaq.
It is his sick mind that makes him see me as that person even though i wrote clearly that the woman has no children and, alhumdullilah I am a mother of lovely children.
However, she is backbiting her husband, claiming his actions are evil, when in fact the actions she claims are evil are well within the limits for a momin. Then farida attempted to blackmail me into silence with a device, which was to claim she had been wronged by me. Whereas, I demonstrated her claim of wrong is false, there is no slander, and her claims of slander are libellious.
Reading his post me and my husband and my sons can only laugh at him; may Allah erase the influence of Satan from his mind.
peace
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Salam nun de plume. Deuteronomy identifies certain classes of persons, their actions, and the punishment for their actions.
The post was a reply to samia's question. Samia asked me to provide the hudood of Allah regarding stoning in the case of a married woman who "marries" another man. I quoted the RELEVANT verse identifying the class of persons under discussion.
Deuteronomy 2223 did not identify the class of persons under discussion. Thank you for your question.
Peace Al Araf,
Yes it did -- read it, who is being stoned below and what "class of persons" is a damsel, a virgin?
23 'When there is a damsel, a virgin, betrothed to a man, and a man hath found her in a city, and lain with her; 24 then ye have brought them both out unto the gate of that city, and stoned them with stones, and they have died -- the damsel, because that she hath not cried, being in a city; and the man, because that he hath humbled his neighbour's wife; and thou hast put away the evil thing out of thy midst.
What does zina encompass and what "class of persons" are the verses below (in context) addressing, only single people?
241-3 A chapter of the Quran, We descended it, and We made it a duty/commanded it, and We descended in it verses/evidences evidences, maybe/perhaps you mention/remember. The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment. The adulterer/fornicator does not marry except an the adulteress/fornicatress or a sharer/taker of partners (with God), and the adulteress/fornicatress, none marries her except an adulterer/fornicator or sharer/taker of partners (with God), and that (was) forbidden on the believers.
Wala taqraboo alzzina innahu kana fahishatan wasaa sabeelan
1732 And do not approach/near the adultery/fornication, that it truly was/is an enormous/atrocious deed, and a bad/evil/harmful way/path.Hopefully we don't go into ridiculous hadith about hungry goats and Quran being incomplete missing verses.
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Salam nun de plume. You are confusing two classifications.
Deuteronomy 2222 class of women who are married found laying with another man. Deuteronomy 2223 class of women who are virgins and engaged found laying with another man. Two different classes of women.
The woman under discussion IS MARRIED, and NOT A VIRGIN. Stop yourself. Think. MARRIED and NOT A VIRGIN. You citation is irrelevant to the issue that was under discussion. You are confused. To continuously cite the classification of a virgin is a waste of time. Please stop yourself.
If you continue to harp on the issue of a virgin I will not respond, as I have already responded.
Allah is the light.
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Farida identified HERSELF personally as the woman in question, when SHE claimed she had been slandered. I made no "going to the negative" FARIDA made the identification herself.
If Farida had kept her question in the abstract, there would not have been a problem. However, she is backbiting her husband, claiming his actions are evil, when in fact the actions she claims are evil are well within the limits for a momin. Then farida attempted to blackmail me into silence with a device, which was to claim she had been wronged by me. Whereas, I demonstrated her claim of wrong is false, there is no slander, and her claims of slander are libellious.
Al... This is only in YOUR mind! Go back and read it correctly.
No, this can be used in only one scenario;
It simply means to imply that since no man is without sin, no man shall condemn another for it. Period.Exactly anders. My point was that one can say this in regards to ANY sin... not just adultary.
Peace
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Salam nun de plume. You are confusing two classifications.
Deuteronomy 2222 class of women who are married found laying with another man. Deuteronomy 2223 class of women who are virgins and engaged found laying with another man. Two different classes of women.
The woman under discussion IS MARRIED, and NOT A VIRGIN. Stop yourself. Think. MARRIED and NOT A VIRGIN. You citation is irrelevant to the issue that was under discussion. You are confused. To continuously cite the classification of a virgin is a waste of time. Please stop yourself.
If you continue to harp on the issue of a virgin I will not respond, as I have already responded.
Peace Al Araf,
I'm not confused and only asked you simple questions which you first replied?
Deuteronomy 2223 did not identify the class of persons under discussion.
Then you state?
Deuteronomy 2223 class of women who are virgins and engaged found laying with another man.
Therefore the above are single women to be stoned. That is bible; I follow Quran, so again what does zina encompass and what "class of persons" are the verses below (in context) addressing, only single people?
241-3 A chapter of the Quran, We descended it, and We made it a duty/commanded it, and We descended in it verses evidences, maybe/perhaps you mention/remember. The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment. The adulterer/fornicator does not marry except an the adulteress/fornicatress or a sharer/taker of partners (with God), and the adulteress/fornicatress, none marries her except an adulterer/fornicator or sharer/taker of partners (with God), and that (was) forbidden on the believers.
Wala taqraboo alzzina innahu kana fahishatan wasaa sabeelan
1732 And do not approach/near the adultery/fornication, that it truly was/is an enormous/atrocious deed, and a bad/evil/harmful way/path.Allah is the light.
Then what is punishment for zina (adultery and fornication) according to Quran?
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Salam huruf. The penalty for making a false accusation of sin, includes lashes, and a prohibition against accepting your testimony.
Allah is the mighty judge.
Salaam all
I am writing this in the middle of a busy Monday just to inform all reading posts on this forum that I spent long time on my Reply #81 on Yesterday (at 103818 PM) to provide proof that Al-Araf falsely accused me of sin.
I know that it is better to forgive but for the benefit of all I want to practice what he preaches
I would therefore ask AL_Araf to get ready to receive the lashes (Taliban style I?m sure the western media would love this news)
And moderators to make note that his testimony is prohibited.peace
PS I have full permission of my friend to disclose more information including how she was tricked into signing divorce papers If anyone wants to know more please let me know and I would happy to give further details -
Salaam, Afridi,
A reason for it?
If you press the one under my name I will disappear in thin air and you won?t be able to see my posts if you want to ignore some one just don?t reply, if many peoples ignore some one in this way he will be ban from this forum.
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Al-Araf falsely accused me of sin
The question is 'so what'?
Why should you be upset to hear the opinion of those who worship their own limited stone age view of stone age texts?
Leave them in peace and do not seek their approval. You don't need it!!
It's you and your creator. The rest is irrelevant, no matter how loud they shout.You do yourself an enormous disservice by descending into this bottomless mud pool filled with arrogance, fanaticism, intolerance and the worst form of idolatry bibliolatry.
Such descent separates you from your creator, it causes you to get out of sync, wrongly tuned.Ascend again, leave this darkness behind and reconnect in joy and gratitude your inner modem with the divine.
No time to loose. NOW is the time to get/stay tuned and receive.
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The question is 'so what'?
Why should you be upset to hear the opinion of those who worship their own limited stone age view of stone age texts?
Leave them in peace and do not seek their approval. You don't need it!!
It's you and your creator. The rest is irrelevant, no matter how loud they shout.You do yourself an enormous disservice by descending into this bottomless mud pool filled with arrogance, fanaticism, intolerance and the worst form of idolatry bibliolatry.
Such descent separates you from your creator, it causes you to get out of sync, wrongly tuned.Ascend again, leave this darkness behind and reconnect in joy and gratitude your inner modem with the divine.
No time to loose. NOW is the time to get/stay tuned and receive.
.1591 The ones who have taken the Qur?an as obsolete.
1592 By your Lord, We will ask them all.
1593 Regarding what they use to do.
1594 So proclaim what you have been commanded and turn away from those who set up partners.
1595 We will relieve you from those who mocked.
1596 Those who placed with God another god. They will come to know.
1597 And We know that your chest is strained by what they say.
1598 So glorify with the praise of your Lord, and be of those who prostrate.
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The question is 'so what'?
Why should you be upset to hear the opinion of those who worship their own limited stone age view of stone age texts?
Leave them in peace and do not seek their approval. You don't need it!!
It's you and your creator. The rest is irrelevant, no matter how loud they shout.You do yourself an enormous disservice by descending into this bottomless mud pool filled with arrogance, fanaticism, intolerance and the worst form of idolatry bibliolatry.
Such descent separates you from your creator, it causes you to get out of sync, wrongly tuned.Ascend again, leave this darkness behind and reconnect in joy and gratitude your inner modem with the divine.
No time to loose. NOW is the time to get/stay tuned and receive.
.Salaam,
I think you got it wrong A-A's opinion does not matter at all to me, I just wanted him to practice what he preaches.
Its men like him who have given bad name to Islam they are the one who discriminate against women and insist on forcing their narrow minded view of the scriptures.
I invite you Anders to read the Qur'an which I see as most contemporary text and if you read it with good intentions you will have many doors open to you.peace
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You did use the word ?upset?, and ?wanting? to change a persons behaviour is also a need.
I suggested to leave this behind, it keeps you imprisoned in the matrix you seek to escape from.
Let go and let god.I did read the quran, and the bible and other books.
The Bhagavad Gita is my favourite, I agree with the widely held view that it is of exceptional quality.
As far as the core values are concerned, I find them best expressed in the bible, in spite political influence that gave it its final content.In order to know whether the quran is ?the best? (for you), you need to have read a handful of others. Did you?
As for me, no thank you. I read it and feel no need for further reading. Except perhaps for the sake of discussion.
My sources now are nature, the only book god ever wrote himself, and my personal connection with my creator.
The nice thing about these sources is that they can not be tampered with and use a language far superior to human languages, which are languages belonging to the matrix we are meant to escape from.On my travels I met many really good and peace loving people including children who had never heard of any holy book but new from within what is the right thing to do and spontaneously lived accordingly. They also knew there is one source/maker of everything.
My point that which people seek is inside of us but made invisible by ?teachings? .
Why wade trough an endless series of often violent texts and interpretations, needing to make impossible U-turns to explain away violent verses, if we have the Truth built in?Never mind, soon all this will become apparent thanks to divine planning that says the time is up for all this confusion .
Just keep your inner antenna directed.
In 25 years from now there will be no more religions and no more bibliolatry as we know it now.
Before that, many changes.I welcome the new era that will bring changes beyond belief.
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You did use the word ?upset?,
Peace Anders,
Please re-read my reply 81. I was upset for my friend ".. I was very upset when I read this, as for the last eight months, I have been watching this woman suffering. She is left with huge debts and the bailiff was on her doorstep before she realised what had happened."
and ?wanting? to change a persons behaviour is .
This does not mean A_A?s behaviour. Yes there is a need to fully discuss this issue because many women, like my friend, have been tricked by s. c. Muslim men behaving badly.
also a need
Yes there is a need to expose supporters like A-A, who encourage men to violate the system(Deen) by calling a con artist a ? Momin?(true believer)
I suggested to leave this behind, it keeps you imprisoned in the matrix you seek to escape from.
Let go and let god.You suggestion is most welcome, but you have said nothing new. If you read reply 90 from aalmakto you'll see that he has cited for you all that you said from the Qur'an including
1594 So proclaim what you have been commanded and turn away from those who set up partners...(if you notice here A-A was passing judgement as if he is partner to God)I did read the quran, and the bible and other books.
I know from your post that you have read the Qur'an, but may be with a intention to find faults in it. -\
The Bhagavad Gita is my favourite, I agree with the widely held view that it is of exceptional quality.
As far as the core values are concerned, I find them best expressed in the bible, in spite political influence that gave it its final contenthmm you do have a favourite and I knew that Bhagavad Gita is the one that taught you to seek god within your self and god lives within you...
In order to know whether the quran is ?the best? (for you), you need to have read a handful of others. Did you?
Well, alhumdullilah, I do have some knowledge of other scriptures; you can see for yourself what I wrote with regards to the prophecies in Bhagavad Gita
Re What's up with these Hadith/Prophecies about the End of Times?
? Reply #74 on August 10, 2008, 120226 PM ?Hindu religion is based on the caste system, Varna and jati and Brahmans, believed to have Caucasian origin,(Swan) are considered the highest caste and Dalits, sometimes called Untouchables, who are of black colour (crows) like Bedouins, considered commoners. Eating pearls, as opposed to eating grain, refers to indulgence.
It could be that Raam was one of the unnamed prophets, as some of his teaching is similar to the messages of other prophets. Others are completely distorted. So should you start following Raam?s teachings when you have the Qur?an?
As for me, no thank you. I read it and feel no need for further reading. Except perhaps for the sake of discussion.
That is your loss
My sources now are nature, the only book god ever wrote himself, and my personal connection with my creator
Absolutely!!1
3021 And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts) verily in that are Signs for THOSE WHO REFLECTThe nice thing about these sources is that they can not be tampered with and use a language far superior to human languages, which are languages belonging to the matrix we are meant to escape from
- Do ye not see that Allah has subjected to your (use) all things in the heavens and on earth, and has made his bounties flow to you in exceeding measure, (both) seen and unseen? Yet there are among men those who dispute about Allah, without knowledge and without guidance, and without a Book to enlighten them
30 29. Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and he merges Day into Night; that He has subjected the sun, and the moon (to his Law), each running its course for a term appointed; and that Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do?
30 31. Seest thou not that the ships sail through the ocean by the Grace of Allah.- that He may show you of His Signs? Verily in this are Signs for all who constantly persevere and give thanks.
On my travels I met many really good and peace loving people including children who had never heard of any holy book but new from within what is the right thing to do and spontaneously lived accordingly. They also knew there is one source/maker of everything.
My point that which people seek is inside of us but made invisible by ?teachings?4913 O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and TRIBES, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
Why wade trough an endless series of often violent texts and interpretations, needing to make impossible U-turns to explain away violent verses, if we have the Truth built in?
If only you cleanse your heart of malice you would find all that you believe is in the teachings of the Qur?an and I feel you are looking for the truth so seek it and you would find it. God (the truth) is nearer to you than your jugular vain.
Never mind, soon all this will become apparent thanks to divine planning that says the time is up for all this confusion
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Just keep your inner antenna directed.
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In 25 years from now there will be no more religions and no more bibliolatry as we know it now.
Before that, many changes.30 34. Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He Who knows what is in the wombs. Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the morrow Nor does any one know in what land he is to die. Verily with Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things).
I welcome the new era that will bring changes beyond belief.
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And all that would remain will be the attributes of Allah.