Should we stone A. Wallace?
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mr. aw, you still haven't answered my question.
what message are you bringing? what does God want to tell us through you?He put them there for the idolaters to worship...
do you know that for sure or did you just lie about God?
Do you understand Quran? Are u better guided than one who doesnt know Arabic, because u know arabic, but God has put a barrier between u to prevent u from understandin it, and He has made things clear to one who doesnt know Arabic and guided him to the path by making the Quran easy in his language???
first, what makes you sure that you are better guided then arnold?
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I am already reading the Qur'an, using it as my only source and approaching it with an open mind, so why do I need you?
The message is already here, what is your function then? To parrot the message that everybody can read already?
Nobody can think like God
1124 And there is absolutely none like Him."
We can only get knowledge of the creation to understand the Creator with our limited human brain, and His Will as expressed in the Qur'an.
We do not deny the Qur'an and its Authoritive message. So denying your claim is not denying the Qur'an nor its message. What is left then of your "function" or need to be one?
- I am not an Arab. So that comments makes no sense.
- A translation will give you a fair understanding of the Qur'an. BUT HOW CAN YOU CLAIM TO GIVE ORDERS ("OBEY ME" WHILE YOU CANNOT BE SURE YOUR ORDERS ARE CORRECT!!!!
- To get a far better understanding of the Qur'an, you at least need to study certain keywords of the Qur'an in the Arabic itself, to know all their meanings and the context.
A translation can only guide you to the main subjects/themes, but details can never be displayed correctly by a translation alone.
The Qur'an is real, you are not.
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Well stay away from me then...
And the truth has come from your Lord! If you could only understand...
I never said u needed me...Do you...and let me do me...Im here to teach the Scripture and wisdom and teach what is not known to someone... So if u feel like I caint be of help to you in the system or guide you or whatever... then stay away from me... That dont mean u have to critisize me for the work I do... I am hear to bring those who are in darkness into the light by their Lords leave... If I have to do it by parroting the message that everyone can already read, then thats what I have to do... Thats my job... as an individual...and u work as u see fit..."I was ordered to recite the Quran"
Is there something you dont no? Do u know everything? Maby you can enlighten me then? Have you submitted?
You can call it " parrot" if u want. You can call me a parrot...also muhammad and everyone who recites Gods Scripture, u a parrot to, lolz, when u read the quran you parrot the message.
When those who belive hear Gods revelations being parroted, they yield.
And when the rejecters hear Gods revelations being parroted, they are nearly close to attacking those who are parroting the message to them!
I know my orders are correct... I never said i wasnt sure if they were correct or not... If I wasnt sure, then i probly woulnt give them...and whoever obeys me, then they have obeyed God. u dont know me, i am on a clarity from my Lord... If I wasnt, then I probly wouldnt be in these forums without having clear proofs... I would be studyin untill I have the perfect answer...There is no doubt with me, and even when there is I still belive that I can meet all challenges of life...I must...And my beliefs im go remain true to, and continue to learn also. And i told u i do know how to interpret quran, and study the words...There is a message in all of theses discussions and disputes, and God will judge between His servants in what they dispute...
I live the truth...And in faith...and I am the message!!!!! Cause God made me real... And I think this all is a test!
Until someone proove me to be a hyporcrite or someone who is inviting to the Fire, with ill intentions, ect... then no one on Earth should say " You are not a messenger" when I come in the name of God. And whoever harms Gods messengers and the believers for no just cause, then they have brought upon themselves a slander and gross sin...If im the messenger then thats just what i am... So it is what it is...
O.K. So God gave u the Quran... A messenger will come to you authenticating it to you... And u will believe in him...and you will support him...do u agree to this burden? ( The covenat of the prophets )
This is Gods grace. Praise be to God.
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mr. aw, you still haven't answered my question.
what message are you bringing? what does God want to tell us through you?do you know that for sure or did you just lie about God?
first, what makes you sure that you are better guided then arnold?
and second, the part i put in bold, is that another lie about God?He wants me to tell you and everyone else to "be aware of God!"
and that you should pray and give charity before death comes to you...
And to lower your gaze, and keep covered your private parts... that is purer for you. God knows everything you do...
If I lied about God then im responsible for my crime and u responsible for ur crimes...
Do u know how to pray ( salat) ???
Are those who know equal to those who dont know?
Is one who walks with his head slumped better guided, or one who walks on a srtaight path?
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.If im the messenger then thats just what i am... So it is what it is...
Yeah, great proof. Well I am the president of the USA...
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Yeah, great proof. Well I am the president of the USA...
Whatever, I dont want to chat about it no more...
It appears to me that this discussion is only increasing in your rejection... jedi
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The translation I read from is the one on Free-minds, all I said is bring ten translations of the Quran that is better than it...If u can...
And how long will the people continue to be in doubt??? When the truth has come...
And yes, God has made this English translation of the Quran to be easy in my language...And I dont find any crookedness in it...
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Peace.
I'm not trying to criticize you or anything, I'm just trying to understand your point of view... You said here that The God has made an English translation of al-Qur'an to be easy in your language, English. However, you said that you use the translation by Layth (the Free-Minds English Translation). So, how has God sent YOU down a Message through the Holy Spirit if you're using the Free-Minds version? This wouldn't make any sense at all. You'd put the Free-Minds translation of The Great Reading above the one that God has sent down to you?
It also doesn't make sense for you to claim that your proof is al-Qur'an. I already told you that this Message was the proof for Mohammed. It is already here. How can you bring to us something that has already been brought by someone else? You said that The God has instructed you to tell us all these things, but these are messages already stated in the Scripture.
I live the truth...And in faith...and I am the message!!!!! Cause God made me real... And I think this all is a test!
This is a blasphemous ideology, brother. You can't 'be' the Message of God sent down to all of humanity, especially considering the fact that you can't read the original Scripture. God provides signs for us and He teaches us what we did not know. Without the TRANSLATED Scripture, you don't know what al-Qur'an says. You can't base the teachings of Islam/submission of faith alone - if that was the case, then ALL OF US would be considered God's messengers, and this is not the case. The prophets have been found worthy by The God to bring a new Scripture in their own language, and they have confirmed these Scriptures within the limits of their own Scriptures (i.e. Esa confirmed the Torah with the Injeel, Mohammed confirmed the Torah and Injeel with the Qur'an, etc.), but you haven't brought down a new Scripture. You haven't brought any proofs at all, other than claiming that The God has sent down to you an English translation of al-Qur'an provided through Free-Minds... Does this sound logical to you?
Peace.
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I'm not trying to criticize you or anything, I'm just trying to understand your point of view... You said here that The God has made an English translation of al-Qur'an to be easy in your language, English. However, you said that you use the translation by Layth (the Free-Minds English Translation). So, how has God sent YOU down a Message through the Holy Spirit if you're using the Free-Minds version? This wouldn't make any sense at all. You'd put the Free-Minds translation of The Great Reading above the one that God has sent down to you?
It also doesn't make sense for you to claim that your proof is al-Qur'an. I already told you that this Message was the proof for Mohammed. It is already here. How can you bring to us something that has already been brought by someone else? You said that The God has instructed you to tell us all these things, but these are messages already stated in the Scripture.
This is a blasphemous ideology, brother. You can't 'be' the Message of God sent down to all of humanity, especially considering the fact that you can't read the original Scripture. God provides signs for us and He teaches us what we did not know. Without the TRANSLATED Scripture, you don't know what al-Qur'an says. You can't base the teachings of Islam/submission of faith alone - if that was the case, then ALL OF US would be considered God's messengers, and this is not the case. The prophets have been found worthy by The God to bring a new Scripture in their own language, and they have confirmed these Scriptures within the limits of their own Scriptures (i.e. Esa confirmed the Torah with the Injeel, Mohammed confirmed the Torah and Injeel with the Qur'an, etc.), but you haven't brought down a new Scripture. You haven't brought any proofs at all, other than claiming that The God has sent down to you an English translation of al-Qur'an provided through Free-Minds... Does this sound logical to you?
Peace.
Are you really tryin to understand were im coming from??? hmm
Do you rellay what to understand??? hmm
Then just listen! !
And wait, and I am waiting with you...
I am only a reminder. jedi Far as what you are hastin towards I dont have it...
"My work to me, and yours to you! ye are free from responsibility for what I do, and I for what ye do!"
" Let each work according to his own your Lord is fully aware of who is best guided to the path." !
How do you obey the Quran when you dont even parrot it to the people ??? Why, because you dont know Arabic???
Witnessing is commanded in Islam. For that you shall preach and be upright as you have been commanded. muscle And proclaim what you are commanded...And when it is being related then listen to it and pay attention...And listen for the caller... jedi And recite whatever has been inspired to you of your Lords Scripture...
Have you submitted???
O my servants who believd, be aware of your Lord. &
And do not despaire if Gods mercy pr, for God forgives all sins. He is the forgiver , the merciful...
And I am no more than a human being like you, being inspired that your god is but One God. So whoever looks foward to meeting his Lord, then let him do good works and not set up any partner in the service of his Lord... jedi
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Peace all,
4143 What is being said to you is the same that was said to the messengers before you. Your Lord has forgiveness, and a painful retribution.
4144 And had We made it a non-Arabic compilation, they would have said ?If only its verses were made clear!? Non-Arabic and Arabic, say ?For those who believe, it is a guide and healing. As for those who disbelieve, there is deafness in their ears, and they are blind to it. These will be called from a place far away.?Criticizms that he is non-arabic and he is just parroting what has already been said are refuted by the above verses.
All we can do is read what he types and if any of it goes against the Quran then it is a clear sign he is a fraud. So far he seems more guided than the majority of the people on this earth. He has not said anything that would make me suspicious of him. God did say in the Quran he sends messengers to every nation.
1047 And for every nation is a messenger; so when their messenger comes, the matter is decreed between them with justice, and they are not wronged.
1636 And We have sent a messenger to every nation ?You shall serve God and avoid evil.? Some of them were guided by God, and some of them deserved to be misguided. So travel in the land, and see how the punishment was of those who denied.Does the Quran say he will stop sending messengers? Or he will send messengers who are classical arabic experts? I follow the Quran only. If what he says is confirmed by the Quran than he is a guided person to me. If he says anything on the contrary then he is not a messenger... it that simple.
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Whatever, I dont want to chat about it no more...
It appears to me that this discussion is only increasing in your rejection... jedi
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Follow thou the inspiration sent unto thee, and be PATIENT and constant, till Allah do decide for He is the best to decide.
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Peace all,
4143 What is being said to you is the same that was said to the messengers before you. Your Lord has forgiveness, and a painful retribution.
4144 And had We made it a non-Arabic compilation, they would have said ?If only its verses were made clear!? Non-Arabic and Arabic, say ?For those who believe, it is a guide and healing. As for those who disbelieve, there is deafness in their ears, and they are blind to it. These will be called from a place far away.?Criticizms that he is non-arabic and he is just parroting what has already been said are refuted by the above verses.
All we can do is read what he types and if any of it goes against the Quran then it is a clear sign he is a fraud. So far he seems more guided than the majority of the people on this earth. He has not said anything that would make me suspicious of him. God did say in the Quran he sends messengers to every nation.
1047 And for every nation is a messenger; so when their messenger comes, the matter is decreed between them with justice, and they are not wronged.
1636 And We have sent a messenger to every nation ?You shall serve God and avoid evil.? Some of them were guided by God, and some of them deserved to be misguided. So travel in the land, and see how the punishment was of those who denied.Does the Quran say he will stop sending messengers? Or he will send messengers who are classical arabic experts? I follow the Quran only. If what he says is confirmed by the Quran than he is a guided person to me. If he says anything on the contrary then he is not a messenger... it that simple.
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Peace,
There is a very big difference with being globally guided by a translation (as the verse clearly means) and to claim to be a messenger which must be obeyed while he doesn't know for sure even that his "commands" are really what God demands.
So, No, the verses do not talk about messengership, but about attaining belief through keyterms that are simple to translate into their own language. But this can never account for the details and complete message of the Qur'an.
Anthony has shown already he is not even sure what to believe or follow, look at the Hajj debate about halqiras. But now he tries to claim Layth's translation is the best, as of course he knows his messengership-claim is otherwise faulty from the start.
If what he says is confirmed by the Quran than he is a guided person to me.
As long as he just parrots the Qur'an translation, and you accept this translation of Layth, then your above test does not work.
I do not really care about what he claims or if people believe him or not, I just responded to him when he said I had to obey him and wanted to show to him this is arrogance made through ignorance. It is just a sad powertrip.
But I leave this alone now.
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Peace to all.
I agree with Arnold Yasin. These verses are speaking about those who are guided rightly, not messengers. A messenger receives his commands from The God, he can't base his understanding of the Scriptures on someone else's translation of them. What if Layth's translation is incorrect? If your understanding of Arabic is different from Layth's, then you might see AW as completely misguided...
Peace.
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Peace all,
To anthonywallace,
I believe that your enthusiasm in delivering the message is genuine and a bit compulsive; it might be due to the fact that you have lately come to understand some of the truth of the lord, which explains your hast in telling anything and everything at the same time, and sometimes (if not most? ) out of context. You need to be more patient and thoughtful about what you are saying.
Also, I don?t think that I am from YOUR people, nor most of the members here; so technically, even if you are really a messenger of the god, you should be delivering the message to YOUR people, your family, neighbors, colleagues? And I doubt that you are talking all day long ?rehearsing? parts of the scripture (to not say ?randomly throwing parts of verses? like you do on this forum), when you are at school or at work, or when having dinner with your family.
These are my thoughts, please don't consider it to be offensive as it is not my intention. You might ignore it continue acting like you do, but I don't think it is useful or efficient in delivering the message.
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Peace all,
To anthonywallace,
I believe that your enthusiasm in delivering the message is genuine and a bit compulsive; it might be due to the fact that you have lately come to understand some of the truth of the lord, which explains your hast in telling anything and everything at the same time, and sometimes (if not most? ) out of context. You need to be more patient and thoughtful about what you are saying.
Also, I don?t think that I am from YOUR people, nor most of the members here; so technically, even if you are really a messenger of the god, you should be delivering the message to YOUR people, your family, neighbors, colleagues? And I doubt that you are talking all day long ?rehearsing? parts of the scripture (to not say ?randomly throwing parts of verses? like you do on this forum), when you are at school or at work, or when having dinner with your family.
These are my thoughts, please don't consider it to be offensive as it is not my intention. You might ignore it continue acting like you do, but I don't think it is useful or efficient in delivering the message.
PEace,
Thx for the comment... and suggestions/ reminder about being paitent... And may God be paitent with us belivers...
And no, I caint say that all day long im rehearsing parts of the Scripture, but then on the other hand I meditate on it day and night, by Gods grace. And Rehearse weather declraed secretly or declared to someone else... I dont even do it all day on this forum... But when I do speak then I would like to teach the scripture or learn something or glorify God,or have a meaninful conversation, other than that I dont really have much to talk about, on this forum nor in real life...Im not good wit small talk...And the majority of people were im at are rejecters also, including family and colleages and so on...and I am not a caretaker over none... And yes I have been paitent and mabey God will unit those who I consider enemys wit us...And whenever i can i try to save my fam fro the Hell Fire... Its not easy in this world, beacause everyone want u to think the way they think and if you dont then you are considered differnt or crazy, ect...And that kills our creative energys and a person or a strong leader caint reach his full potential unless he is understood at home...If not understood or if he doesent seek the right envirornmet then it will be very difficult for his strenth to thrive...And he may revert to the lower energys . So I guess this forum is anonther way of me expressing my self and havin them deep conversations with like minds...outside of my connection with God daily...
i know i proby got off topic or whatever. But this is just me personally speaking. I am no more than a human being...
I agree with the your people part, but at the same time I believe that I was sent to you all... Whatever message I have is for the whole world... weather its to recite the Quran to the world or my capital town or to bring some kind of light to someone out there on this forum who are in darkness or maby to cause some kind of rememberance,...This is a message for the world...
peace be upon you someone
Peace to all.
I agree with Arnold Yasin. These verses are speaking about those who are guided rightly, not messengers. A messenger receives his commands from The God, he can't base his understanding of the Scriptures on someone else's translation of them. What if Layth's translation is incorrect? If your understanding of Arabic is different from Layth's, then you might see AW as completely misguided...
Peace.
Check this out... Layths translation is the basic translation I use when I read the quran dawn and at night... Because I dont read Arabic...
However, when I need to study something, I know how to study...
There are verses that I have changed that is different from Layth's translation... His translation is just the basic that I read from for morning and evening service, untill I translate the whole Quran myself, God willing...
And even with the changes I made wich even thoe, I feel my interpretaion of certain verses is more clear and direct, I still wouldnt take anything from Layths translation. There are words that mean the same thing and are linked but they are just used diferrently to help the writter say what he is tryin to say...
?For those who believe, it is a guide and healing. As for those who disbelieve, there is deafness in their ears, and they are blind to it. These will be called from a place far away.?
( you all can call this what you want, and this is me personally speaking " Layths translation of Quran ( and also other translations that I have read even secetorial translation without all the extra stuff ) has been a guide and healing for me, and also for all the believers I think...
I am on a clarity from my Lord... jedi
I am only a warner to you...
I am but a reminder... hmm
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Peace,
There is a very big difference with being globally guided by a translation (as the verse clearly means) and to claim to be a messenger which must be obeyed while he doesn't know for sure even that his "commands" are really what God demands.
So, No, the verses do not talk about messengership, but about attaining belief through keyterms that are simple to translate into their own language. But this can never account for the details and complete message of the Qur'an.
Anthony has shown already he is not even sure what to believe or follow, look at the Hajj debate about halqiras. But now he tries to claim Layth's translation is the best, as of course he knows his messengership-claim is otherwise faulty from the start.
As long as he just parrots the Qur'an translation, and you accept this translation of Layth, then your above test does not work.
I do not really care about what he claims or if people believe him or not, I just responded to him when he said I had to obey him and wanted to show to him this is arrogance made through ignorance. It is just a sad powertrip.
But I leave this alone now.
You are the one who says that i dont know if what i command is correct or not...
I never said i didnt know... but i said i am on a clarity from my Lord...
I no what i believe and i no what I follow...
Look at the Hajj debate....just look at it...and tell me how many strayes do u see...including u and everyone else who disregards 2196 ( i think )... all because they are in doubt of a word that is clear...
No, u simply dont believe...
Do you read quran in Arabic or do you use a translation also??? And if you use a translation, do you doubt what it says because u dont know Arabic, even if the advice was good advice rather than evil??? So what if it was from Gods inspiration, and you had rejected it.?
Do u serve other than God what does not benifit or harm you?
Do you know how to salat?
And had We sent it down to some foreigner they would not have believed him...
And most not go dispute untill the knowledge come to them, out of jeaulousy between themselves...
You think i was being arrogant??? I dont mean to appear arrogant to anyone...and i seek refuge with my Lord that I do be of the arrogant, and if He dont forgive me and have mercy on me then i would surly be of the wicked >D
And yes, i said be aware of God and obey me...
4143 What is being said to you is the same that was said to the messengers before you. Your Lord has forgiveness, and a painful retribution.
4144 And had We made it a non-Arabic compilation, they would have said ?If only its verses were made clear!? Non-Arabic and Arabic, say ?For those who believe, it is a guide and healing. As for those who disbelieve, there is deafness in their ears, and they are blind to it. These will be called from a place far away.?Follow thou the inspiration sent unto thee, and be PATIENT and constant, till Allah do decide for He is the best to decide.
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My people, if my position has become too troublesome for you, and my reminding you of God?s signs, then in God I place my trust. So gather your evidence and your partners, then make certain your evidence does not become against you, then come to judge me, and do not hold back.
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My people, if my position has become too troublesome for you, and my reminding you of God?s signs, then in God I place my trust. So gather your evidence and your partners, then make certain your evidence does not become against you, then come to judge me, and do not hold back.
But if you turn away, then I have not asked you for any reward, for my reward is with God. And I have been commanded to be of those who have submitted.Peace,
Please note that when you claim that you are the Messenger of Allah, you are intimidating people. You are asking people to stop thinking and follow your interpretation, which can agrees or disagrees with theirs. And that is why most of people in this forum will try to resist such power over them, which can lead them Astray if they would blindly trust you.Peace
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I am turning to my Lord... pr
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I am turning to my Lord... pr
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Well; all of us should turn to our God.
Moreover, all of us are equal in front of God, and all of us will be judged if we reject or accept the truth from Him. Such truths are in the Book, and will be recited to us by the ones who will be witness upon us in the Day of Judgement.
You, Wakas, Samia, Arnab, and everybody else can be the ones who remind others with the Truth, and then, you will gain the Rank among Witnesses in the Day of Judgement. Nevertheless, you will have the day when others will remind you with the truth from your Lord, when you make mistakes.May God increase your and everybody Knowledge and wisdom.
Peace