Allah or God Alone
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Salaam to all
I am concerned about a paricular issue, i was given a document to read by a friend, it was a very unusual document, but I would like to speak of only a part of it..it goes as such
Since nothing in the Quran is a coincidence, and God is the Most precise in expressing and delivering any truth, we cannot overlook the order in which the words "The One who created the death and the life.....?
The placing of the word "death" before the word "life" indicates that we were put to death before we were brought to this life on earth; hence we were alive before we came to this world.El Quran (2243)
Change your vision to those who abandon their home, and they were in the thousands, DIE so said to them, Allah, All, then to life, by Allah, it is bounty to the mankind, and no, much of the mankind are not gratefulAlam tara ila allatheena khara-joo mindi ya-ri-him wa hum oloo fun ha tharaal mawti fa qala lahumu Allahu ootoo thumma ahyahu minna Allaha lathoo fadlin ala al nasi wa la kinna akthara al nasi la ya-shkur-oona
And The Quran clearly states that all are to return with GOD, RETURN? How do you return to a place you never were before?
El Quran (355)
So said Allah, O Jesus you will DIE and come to me and Liberate you from Those who Conceal; and I will make of those who heed you, superior to Those who conceal, until the day of judgment then all return to me, and I will judge between-you of the issues you disputedIth qala Allahu ya Isa innee mutawa feeka wa rafi uka ilaya wa mutah hiruka mina allatheena kafaroo wa ja ilu allatheen a ittab-ooka fawqa allatheena kafaroo ila yawmi al qiyamati thumma ilaya marji-ukum fa ahkumu bayna-kum fee ma kuntum fee hi ta-khtalif-oona
The Quran (104)
To-him, you return, together and from Allah is The Truth, He-Who started The Creation then repeats it, recompense to The Believers and did the correct with the justice; and to those who conceal, never will have faith and a punishment sure, because they conceal.Ilayhi marji-ukum jamee-an wa da Allahi haqqan inna-hu ya-bdao al khalqa thumma yu-eeduhu li ya-jziya allatheena amanoo wa amiloo al salihati bi al qisti wa allatheena kafaroo lahum sharabun min ham Imin wa athabun aleemun bi ma kanoo ya-kfur-oona
The Quran (114)
To Allah is the return, and he-who above all, has powerIla Allahi marjiu-kum wa huwa ala kulli shay-in qadeerun
ANY coments or critisim are welcome...if this is true it is very serious..if it is not it is a good invention.
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Salaaman brook,
yeah
Kayfa takfuroona biAllahi wakuntum amwatan faahyakum thumma yumeetukum thumma yuhyeekum thumma ilayhi turjaAAoona
228 How can ye reject the faith in Allah.- seeing that ye were without life, and He gave you life; then will He cause you to die, and will again bring you to life; and again to Him will ye return.
You mean two deaths and two lifes? yeah
Qaloo rabbana amattana ithnatayni waahyaytana ithnatayni faiAAtarafna bithunoobina fahal ila khuroojin min sabeelin
4011 They will say "Our Lord! twice hast Thou made us without life, and twice hast Thou given us Life! Now have we recognised our sins Is there any way out (of this)?"
May Allah guide us all towards the path that He has chosen for us and He agrees with.
Regards,
mmKhan -
Peace,
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When thy Lord drew forth from the Children of Adam from their loins their descendants, and made them testify concerning themselves, "Am I not your Lord (said The God)?" They said "Yea! we do testify!", lest ye should say on the Day of Judgment "of this we were never mindful." (7-172)Yes, when God created Adam, he created us from his lions; but then, we were considered dead until we were born; it means we had been dead for thousands of years; but the amazing thing is we did not feel the time.
Would that make you wonder and think that once we die, we will not feel the time till Judgment Day. In other words, due to not feeling the time, once we die we will wait to witness the JD.Peace peace
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Peace,
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When thy Lord drew forth from the Children of Adam from their loins their descendants, and made them testify concerning themselves, "Am I not your Lord (said The God)?" They said "Yea! we do testify!", lest ye should say on the Day of Judgment "of this we were never mindful." (7-172)Yes, when God created Adam, he created us from his lions; but then, we were considered dead until we were born; it means we had been dead for thousands of years; but the amazing thing is we did not feel the time.
Would that make you wonder and think that once we die, we will not feel the time till Judgment Day. In other words, due to not feeling the time, once we die we will wait to witness the JD.Peace peace
Salaam
This is a intresting point, can you please explain if anything....we were considered dead until we were born; because my understanding is that we are souls (nafsin) and not the physical body...how can a soul be considered dead..kum fa ya-kum = ( be it is )...but how it exist in a dead state?
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Salaaman brook,
yeah
Kayfa takfuroona biAllahi wakuntum amwatan faahyakum thumma yumeetukum thumma yuhyeekum thumma ilayhi turjaAAoona
228 How can ye reject the faith in Allah.- seeing that ye were without life, and He gave you life; then will He cause you to die, and will again bring you to life; and again to Him will ye return.
You mean two deaths and two lifes? yeah
Qaloo rabbana amattana ithnatayni waahyaytana ithnatayni faiAAtarafna bithunoobina fahal ila khuroojin min sabeelin
4011 They will say "Our Lord! twice hast Thou made us without life, and twice hast Thou given us Life! Now have we recognised our sins Is there any way out (of this)?"
May Allah guide us all towards the path that He has chosen for us and He agrees with.
Regards,
mmKhanSalaam
Your answers seem to say you agree with this information, but, the cartoon you used in your reply...to me is considered not in agreement...it is a slang term...partialy arrogant...if it was not meant this way please let me know...thank you in advance.
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Salaam
This is a intresting point, can you please explain if anything....we were considered dead until we were born; because my understanding is that we are souls (nafsin) and not the physical body...how can a soul be considered dead..kum fa ya-kum = ( be it is )...but how it exist in a dead state?
Here how I understand the death of Nafs (Soul)
When God breathed into Adam Body from the Spirit, he became Nafs "Soul"
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But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding) little thanks do ye give! (32-9)Thus, Human are
Body + Spirit (The energy that makes the Body Alive)+ Nafs (Soul).When the Roh "Spirit" leaves the Body, The Body Shuts down--The death of the Nafs (The Soul).
For example, When we are sleeping, our Souls (our Nafs) are dead in this life (39-42, 6-60).
Here where we are debating about Nafs (it is very interesting debate)
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596958.105
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Salaaman brother brook,
You wrote "Your answers seem to say you agree with this information, but, the cartoon you used in your reply...to me is considered not in agreement...it is a slang term...partialy arrogant...if it was not meant this way please let me know...thank you in advance."
Actually, I just the message on that emotion's board "Yeah right!"... so, I added.
But, the aayats that I have quoted gives you the clear meaning of my understand... right?
Jazaak Allah,
Regards,
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Salaaman brother brook,
You wrote "Your answers seem to say you agree with this information, but, the cartoon you used in your reply...to me is considered not in agreement...it is a slang term...partialy arrogant...if it was not meant this way please let me know...thank you in advance."
Actually, I just the message on that emotion's board "Yeah right!"... so, I added.
But, the aayats that I have quoted gives you the clear meaning of my understand... right?
Jazaak Allah,
Regards,
mmKhanSalaam mmkhan
Thank you for clearing that up for me, and you ayats are very clear.
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salaam brook,
because my understanding is that we are souls (nafsin) and not the physical body...how can a soul be considered dead.
just a fast idea yes we are souls, but we live in a physical body on earth, so during our lifetime we are both
i also thought right away about the "being put to death during sleep" which imo confirms our body stays in place, we sleep, but our soul is traveling to the death land, which is a spiritual onelk
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salaam brook,
just a fast idea yes we are souls, but we live in a physical body on earth, so during our lifetime we are both
i also thought right away about the "being put to death during sleep" which imo confirms our body stays in place, we sleep, but our soul is traveling to the death land, which is a spiritual onelk
Salaam LK
I know that these ayats speak about slain (killing), but the idea is that we cannot die (souls). Allah says kum faya kum...(be, it is) can not be changed...I think we think about the physical life to much. (my opinion).
( , Al-Baqara, Chapter 2, Verse 154)
And not say of those who are slain in the way of Allah. "dead." Nay, they are living,
and though not you-perceive .Wa la ta-qooloo liman yu-qtalu fee sabeeli Allahi amwatun bal ahyaon wa lakin la
ta-shuroona( , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter 3, Verse 169)
And no, say of those who are slain in Allah.s way, dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord;
Wa la ta-sabanna allatheena qutiloo fee sabeeli Allahi amwatan bal ahyaon inda rabbi-him yu-rzaq-oona