And Turn Away From The Ignorant
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Peace Taj,
How will that make it easier to ignore them? I posted for a while on a Sunni forum. They created a special section on the forum for Athiests and Quran aloners due to complaints from their regular members. They made the Section invitation only. Now nearly everytime I debate, it gets moved there and it ends all discussion.
This just seems like a subtle form of censorship to be honest.
Peace
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peace
I think there should be a Gods messenger section were people can go for guidance... ! ! !
And I seek refuge with my Lord that I be of the ignorant...by me claiming to be Gods messenger to you all & elektro &
( Have paitience upon yourself regarding those who go meet their Lord dawn and dusk seeking his precence...and let not your eyes over look them either ) &
And also as u say to make it eiser to ignore them if u wish. whatever yeah Because im pretty sure if you are not with them then it is better for you to stay away from them. jedi
Because God surrounds them and all that is around them... muscle for they are only reminders !
whos present and future is with God, and they are not sent except by His command... hypno
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Peace Taj,
How will that make it easier to ignore them? I posted for a while on a Sunni forum. They created a special section on the forum for Atheists and Quran aloners due to complaints from their regular members. They made the Section invitation only. Now nearly every time I debate, it gets moved there and it ends all discussion.
This just seems like a subtle form of censorship to be honest.
Peace
Peace Aalmakto,
How can giving a special place for a certain issue be a form of censorship? I don't know why you are looking outside Free-minds for an example? Free-minds has many sections, and that never was a reason to end any discussion that went on inside those sections! Plus, people never needed an invitation to become members at Free-minds! I mean There is no comparison between Free-minds and the sunni forum you mentioned, or any other forum. What I am saying is Making a special section for some people who believe they have a special message to deliver is the best way to either concentrate on that issue and have endless discussions about it for those who are so interested, or, for those who are not the least interested to pass over it and ignore it. This way, topics would be more organized and easier to either engage in or ignore! I mean I am not calling for something new or strange for Free-minds! Free-minds has long had sections for code 19, the sunni & shia debates, etc.. and that never ended any discussion nor censored it!
peace
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I don't believe we should treat "messengers" with special treatment by dedicating a specific section.
I personally feels that everyone could be "God's messenger" one way or the other.The problem lies within our Sunniism / Shiaism / Christianism / Sectarianism culture background.
Where we used / told to and even forced to 'worship' a specific figure we called "messenger".
Thus creating a specific "cult" on specific "messenger", even when the 'messenger' is long dead and we never meet them in person.
We should strive to 'eliminate' this 'cultural habit' of 'messenger' occultism.Everyone could be a messenger, so just let them "DELIVER THE MESSAGE".
That was the supposedly messenger's scope of work right?From my personal perspective...
I've many times posted my questions regarding many issues and topics to God.
And usually He does answered most of my questions, through many means and some of them are 'human messenger'.The lessons that I've learn is a true human messenger usually never bothered for being 'acknowledged' as 'messenger'.
And most of the time, they're not being aware of 'playing the role' of God's messenger (to me) anyway.
They just deliver the message / answer of my previously posted question to God.Salam
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I don't believe we should treat "messengers" with special treatment by dedicating a specific section.
I personally feels that everyone could be "God's messenger" one way or the other.The problem lies within our Sunniism / Shiaism / Christianism / Sectarianism culture background.
Where we used / told to and even forced to 'worship' a specific figure we called "messenger".
Thus creating a specific "cult" on specific "messenger", even when the 'messenger' is long dead and we never meet them in person.
We should strive to 'eliminate' this 'cultural habit' of 'messenger' occultism.Everyone could be a messenger, so just let them "DELIVER THE MESSAGE".
That was the supposedly messenger's scope of work right?From my personal perspective...
I've many times posted my questions regarding many issues and topics to God.
And usually He does answered most of my questions, through many means and some of them are 'human messenger'.The lessons that I've learn is a true human messenger usually never bothered for being 'acknowledged' as 'messenger'.
And most of the time, they're not being aware of 'playing the role' of God's messenger (to me) anyway.
They just deliver the message / answer of my previously posted question to God.Salam
Peace,
When the messengers came they did make it known that they were Gods messengers by saying " I am Gods messenger to you" or " I am a trustworthy messenger to you " ect... I dont know if thats what you mean by " bothering with being acknowledged as messenger ." But they did make it known that they were sent by God...and that advice had come and warnings...
You are right, most are not aware of playing the role of messenger as u say... And most are unaware because they dont have knowledge of they self. They have visions and messages to deliver but they dont know what it is or what to do if they dont have knowledge of they self or not living in accord to spiritual principals... Whats go happen is whats go happen, but i think the more aware a person is, the better they can focus on their higher energys...and also it is ment for some messengers to be anonomous and some to be clear...i think
peace
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Peace,
When the messengers came they did make it known that they were Gods messengers by saying " I am Gods messenger to you" or " I am a trustworthy messenger to you " ect... I dont know if thats what you mean by " bothering with being acknowledged as messenger ." But they did make it known that they were sent by God...and that advice had come and warnings...
You are right, most are not aware of playing the role of messenger as u say... And most are unaware because they dont have knowledge of they self. They have visions and messages to deliver but they dont know what it is or what to do if they dont have knowledge of they self or not living in accord to spiritual principals... Whats go happen is whats go happen, but i think the more aware a person is, the better they can focus on their higher energys...and also it is ment for some messengers to be anonomous and some to be clear...i think
peace
Dude,
The answer to your question is... it depends..
You're talking about merely the 'technical methodology' about how the message are actually being delivered.
And it's not important!So far the record of someone declaring to everyone that "he's a God messenger" can only be found within semitic culture (middle-east).
While messenger has been and continously being sent to every corner of the world to DELIVER MESSAGE.e.g. Sidharta doesn't declare himself as "God's messenger", he just start teaching wisdom..
There are as well many figures who teaches "Wisdom and Truth" throughout the history without a 'declaration of his/her messengership' (and asking everyone to acknowledge them).
There are as well many figures who teaches 'REVEALING MESSAGES' on many topics throughout the history without a 'declaration of his/her messengership' (and asking everyone to acknowledge them). For instance "Relativity Theory", "Quantum Physics", "Microbiology" etc.. For this type of messenger; we just label them as "Scientist".
There are 'personal level messenger' as well which I mention on my previous post, usually sent to an individual to DELIVER A MESSAGE.And God's people will recognize the truth in the MESSAGE BEING DELIVERED, as TRUTH STANDS OUT CLEAR FROM ERROR.
That's why God doesn't bother to put "Declaration Of Faith" in the Quran / Bible etc..There shall be no compulsion in DIEN as TRUTH STANDS OUT CLEAR FROM ERROR.
Anyone who rejects evil and believes in GOD has GRASPED THE STRONGEST BOND; one that never breaks.
GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.
(2256)God's revelation begins when you're first being born into this world, and ends when you die.
The revelation a.k.a REVEALING MESSAGES are being sent to you through many channels and means.
Some time you've recognize them, some time you've missed / ignore them.While 'the figures of messenger' a.k.a how the messages are being delivered.. IS NOT IMPORTANT.
Salam / Peace
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Peace Jafar,
The lessons that I've learn is a true human messenger usually never bothered for being 'acknowledged' as 'messenger'.
I agree with you. The section I am calling for is not for the people who won't bother to be acknowledged as messengers.
The section I am calling for is for those messengers who are dying to be noticed and acknowledged as messengers. To them messengers, this is the MESSAGE that has to be delivered! I believe that their obsessive conduct to be acknowledged as messengers should be limited to one place and not brought up in each and every discussion all over the forum. Because, as you can see, they tend to abuse that easy accessibility that Free-minds is famous for. And as you can see also, there cannot be a dialogue with someone who is obsessed. So I want those "messengers" to have a place within Free-minds where they can feel happy and welcomed, and for those who are super interested in them to visit their section and have all the one way dialogues they crave. And at the same time get them out of the main road!
peace
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Dude,
The answer to your question is... it depends..
You're talking about merely the 'technical methodology' about how the message are actually being delivered.
And it's not important!So far the record of someone declaring to everyone that "he's a God messenger" can only be found within semitic culture (middle-east).
While messenger has been and continously being sent to every corner of the world to DELIVER MESSAGE.e.g. Sidharta doesn't declare himself as "God's messenger", he just start teaching wisdom..
There are as well many figures who teaches "Wisdom and Truth" throughout the history without a 'declaration of his/her messengership' (and asking everyone to acknowledge them).
There are as well many figures who teaches 'REVEALING MESSAGES' on many topics throughout the history without a 'declaration of his/her messengership' (and asking everyone to acknowledge them). For instance "Relativity Theory", "Quantum Physics", "Microbiology" etc.. For this type of messenger; we just label them as "Scientist".
There are 'personal level messenger' as well which I mention on my previous post, usually sent to an individual to DELIVER A MESSAGE.And God's people will recognize the truth in the MESSAGE BEING DELIVERED, as TRUTH STANDS OUT CLEAR FROM ERROR.
That's why God doesn't bother to put "Declaration Of Faith" in the Quran / Bible etc..There shall be no compulsion in DIEN as TRUTH STANDS OUT CLEAR FROM ERROR.
Anyone who rejects evil and believes in GOD has GRASPED THE STRONGEST BOND; one that never breaks.
GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.
(2256)God's revelation begins when you're first being born into this world, and ends when you die.
The revelation a.k.a REVEALING MESSAGES are being sent to you through many channels and means.
Some time you've recognize them, some time you've missed / ignore them.While 'the figures of messenger' a.k.a how the messages are being delivered.. IS NOT IMPORTANT.
Salam / Peace
First of all, dont compare me to Sidharta and all others you named... To them is their works and to me is mine...and to you is yours...weather they keep it hiden or declare their messengership publicly, or weather they believe they a messenger or teacher or not... to them is what they do... God knows what is said in the heavens and the Earth...And He will judge between His servants in what they dispute...
While we talkin history, why dont you just roam the Earth and see what was the end of those before... Most of them denied the messengers that came to them who said " I am Gods messenger ." And they ridiculed them, and they said " you are not a messenger." And they said " If only a sign was sent down to him from His Lord! " And they said " crazy, has the reminder come to him from all of us" and they also said " Has God chosen him over all of us." yeah whatever
And yes, had God sent it down to a forigner they would not have believed in him. It is a Quran in a clear Arabic...So that they may understand... hypno
The more I read the Quran the more stronger I get and the more I ask God to grant me victory for what has been denied of me muscle ... And the more I read quran and pray and purify and teach, I am more inspired that I am Gods messenger... Am I goin crazy ???
Praise be to God, those who believe know the truth. jedi And truth does stand out clear from error... So I ask bring all your evidences and partners ( all those names you mentioned ) , be sure that it doesnt come against you. And then judge me. And dont hold back... jedi
And whoever dont judge by what God has sent down, then these are the wicked > ... So I ask for refrences from the Quran or the previous Scriptures... eat
God's revelation begins when you're first being born into this world, and ends when you die.
The revelation a.k.a REVEALING MESSAGES are being sent to you through many channels and means.
Some time you've recognize them, some time you've missed / ignore them.I agree wit the above. Who knows, mabey God is revealing a message through someone who claims to be Gods messenger??? hmm It may be a test for you rejecters... tempt
Am I creating compultion in the deen because im Gods messeneger? Or by me claiming to be??? I do fear the warnings!!! &
Peace Jafar,
I agree with you. The section I am calling for is not for the people who won't bother to be acknowledged as messengers.
The section I am calling for is for those messengers who are dying to be noticed and acknowledged as messengers. To them messengers, this is the MESSAGE that has to be delivered! I believe that their obsessive conduct to be acknowledged as messengers should be limited to one place and not brought up in each and every discussion all over the forum. Because, as you can see, they tend to abuse that easy accessibility that Free-minds is famous for. And as you can see also, there cannot be a dialogue with someone who is obsessed. So I want those "messengers" to have a place within Free-minds where they can feel happy and welcomed, and for those who are super interested in them to visit their section and have all the one way dialogues they crave. And at the same time get them out of the main road!
peace
lolz, u said dyin to be noticed and acknowledged as messengers. rotfl
N e ways, this is an obvious lie! ! most of what u say...
and you can keep your welcome... !
and if you turn away those who go meet their Lord dawn and dusk you would surely be of the wicked... !