Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace Belal,
Prove that "counted" means 30 and not 100, a Million or any number.
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It does not mean a spacific count unless given. Thus M3doodat does not mean Few or Too Much, but means Counted.
You are simply evading to address the fact that "infaq" and "nifaq" coming from the same root and yet having completely different meanings. It is not my opinion This is an indisputable fact. You are really in no position to give any opinion about anything relating to the Arabic language if you are ignorant of this most basic of facts.
Examples of how God Used the Word M3doodat, (beside the example of Rammadan and Yousuf)
Nor shall We delay it but for a counted term. (11-104)
(And they say "The fire shall not touch us but for a numbered days";.....(2-80)
Ayman, again, M3doodat means Counted.
The idea of "cheap" is already covered by "bakhs". If it is any number as you falsely claim then the term "ma3doodat" is redundant. It is not my problem that you can't understand this simple logic.
You are going NUTS;
I never said that M3doodat means any number. But you are trying to say that M3doodat is Few and less Than 30. In other words, you are trying to prove lies using twisted words. ;D
Why can't you make up your mind? What happened to your statement about the falling leaf to falling leaf? You are clearly confused.
Another use of the Word M3dodat is
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The number of months in the sight of Allah is twelve
so ordained by Him in the day He created the heavens and the earth; of them four are sacred; that is the straight usage. So wrong not yourselves therein and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together. But know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves. (9-36)Thus, the Number of Months is 12;
Now, 12 X 20 days= 240 day, Still less than one year.Ayman, we have to Fast for the period of one Month, and the year has 12 Month; and each month starts and ends during one Moon Cycle (28, 29, 30 days).
Now you want to Fast do, if not, please Keep it to yourself.
Also, everything on earth follows the solar cycle. All the animals follow the solar cycle. Since 936 and the four restricted "shahr" (full-moons) are about the hunting restrictions then certainly the timing for them has to be in line with the seasons.
Ayman, the time of the 4 seasons in Mecca are different from Russa or South Africa.
If Ramadan in June every year because of Heat, then all Moslems all over the word will have to be in area that is Hot. In other words, people in South Africa Can not Fast.But 2189 doesn't say "waxing" or "waning".
Ayman, Waxing is when the Moon appears after disappearing.
Waning is when the Moon is DisappearingThus, How can you confuse yourself, when calculating one Moon Cycle (Month). Should it be a Complete Cycle or half Cycle.
I have to go, the time for Breakfasting is comming soon.
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Peace Belal, everyone,
All your questions were answered here
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/science/timing.htm
If there is an error with the article then point it out. Meanwhile, I am not going to waste my time on your mindless arguments where you are merely trying to justify your sectarian preconceptions about "ramadan" while you are clueless about even simple things such as what the word means.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace,
I'm sorry but I have to jump in for the sake of fairness. Ma'dood primarily means 'counted' and CAN also be used to mean a few. It's like telling someone their days are numbered. That obviously implies that they don't have many more days to live and they might as well count them. It is an expression. So whereas numbered here means few that is not the primary meaning of the word. With that said ma'dood carries a similar usage, but its primary meaning is 'counted/numbered', be that many, moderate or few.
Conclusion We have two meanings here to this word. Context and logic will point to which one is most appropriate in this context. Unfortunately this depends on a person's desire to see a context that might go against his or her agenda. For those who know me I agree with the meaning of 'counted/numbered' in this context, and NOT 'few.' 'Counted' has a meaning of 'limited' or 'specific number.' Ma'dood can also mean 'countable.' That means that there is a limited amount of days and not an indefinite amount, which might be interpreted with just the use of 'days.'
So scour at me, hate me or call me ridiculous as well but I think the conclusion of 'few days' for this context is a distortion of logic, context and knowledge about the meanings of this word.
Godbless,
AnwarNow I do believe that Ramadan means hot season, and that peopel should fast for 30 days during their REPSECTIVE summers (wherever they are on the planet).
And I also want to wish a fulfilling Ramadan for all those fasting during what they believe to be Ramadan.
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Peace sister Nadia,
It is amazing when what the book tells us is verified through empirical observation. I certainly look forward to the full-moon of scorching heat next month. It will come one day after the summer solstice. Being so close to the solstice it should be more spectacular and even easier to make out than the full moon you saw.
Peace and best regards,
Ayman
Salaam
If witnessing is important does that mean a blind person is exempt from fasting?
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ma3duuda means few; 3adeeda means many. No context would change their meaning.
Peace,
what is your proof from Quran?
Even if M3doodat would refere to any thing that can be counted, it still can not be controlled by a spacific. In other words, it could be 10, 20, 30, 40, 100, 100,000, 1Million.
If you still can count it it is M3doodat.
Peace
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Yes.
Salaam Ayman,
I am sorry I would disagree, the God I know would not discriminate against blind or deaf person. It is the rigid thinking of people who see God in their own image.
Blind person were were best in memorizing the Qur'ana and you believe they can not experience the blessing of fasting are they less qualified to worship god?
807 And why does it concern you that he does not want to purify?
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Yes.
Ayman, YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND.
Who Gave you the Authority to declare God's Laws brickwall
Are you making yourself equal to God?By the way, I read your artical.
Ayman, your artical is an artical and does not qualify to be a resarch. It lacks supporting data from Quran; it uses Hadiths and stories as its proofs,
Thus, it is worse nothing.Now, where in the Quran can you claim that Rammadan Means Heat?
Where in the Quran can you claim that Sher means Moon?
In how Many verse did God refers to Moon as "Kamer" and not "Shar"?The following are some of the hundreds proofs that support the existing of Celender in the Prophet time
Go ye, then for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him. (2) And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the pagans. If, then ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith. (3) (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those pagans with whom Ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term for Allah loveth the righteous. (4) But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (9-5)
Unless you bring proof from Quran, your theory is worsless to all True Believers.
......But who doth more wrong than one who invents a lie against Allah, to lead astray men without knowledge? For Allah guideth not people who do wrong.(6-144) !
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Peace,
what is your proof from Quran?
Salaam belal
Where in my post did I refer to God or to a rule of His concerning this word? I quoted lisaanul 3arab and I am talking dictionaries and meaning of words. If you want a proof from lisaanul 3arab, then ask for that.
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Peace Farida,
I am sorry I would disagree, the God I know would not discriminate against blind or deaf person. It is the rigid thinking of people who see God in their own image.
Blind person were were best in memorizing the Qur'ana and you believe they can not experience the blessing of fasting are they less qualified to worship god?
807 And why does it concern you that he does not want to purify?
peaceThe god clearly said in 2185 that fasting is for "whoever witnesses from amongst you". So a blind person would be exempt from fasting. Now they can still fast if they wanted to but they don't have to. If you or I don't witness the "shahr" because we were locked in a room or whatever then we are exempt from fasting too. Does this mean that I am discriminating against us? But again we can fast anyway if we wanted to. It is just not compulsory.
In fact, if you didn't witness the scorching full moon last July then you are exempt from fasting. What you and others such as Belal are doing right now is instead fasting a completely random lunar month. You can do this if you want but don't claim that the god ordered you to fast what is in fact a completely random month without any authority from him.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Samia,
ma3duuda means few; 3adeeda means many. No context would change their meaning.
To those who can read Arabic (cut-and-paste from lisaanul 3arab)
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What I also find interesting in this quote the phrase about the ten days of Dhul Hijja1220 confirms the dictionary meaning since if "ma3doodat" meant "any number" then the passage could have simply said "Dirhams" or simply stop at saying that they "bought him cheaply". The only reason to qualify it is to show that it is a few Dirhams and not just any conjectured counted number, including 30 or 100 Billions (which would still be cheap for a son or daughter). The meaning from the context in the great reading and from dictionaries matches perfectly.
Peace,
Ayman
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Hi ayman,
The god clearly said in 2185 that fasting is for "whoever witnesses from amongst you". So a blind person would be exempt from fasting.
I think it is not "whoever witnesses" but "whoever was present" (note the verse is in past tense). Even if the English word used is 'witness', it does not necessarily mean "by sight" only. Blind, deaf and dumb are all subjected to fasting and the exception eased on the sickly, travelers and the destitute provided they complete the favor in due course.Now they can still fast if they wanted to but they don't have to.
The question begs where in the Quran is the clear command that prohibits from eating and drinking? The word 'fasting' itself is undefined. -
Peace Farida,
The god clearly said in 2185 that fasting is for "whoever witnesses from amongst you". So a blind person would be exempt from fasting. Now they can still fast if they wanted to but they don't have to. If you or I don't witness the "shahr" because we were locked in a room or whatever then we are exempt from fasting too. Does this mean that I am discriminating against us? But again we can fast anyway if we wanted to. It is just not compulsory.
In fact, if you didn't witness the scorching full moon last July then you are exempt from fasting. What you and others such as Belal are doing right now is instead fasting a completely random lunar month. You can do this if you want but don't claim that the god ordered you to fast what is in fact a completely random month without any authority from him.
Peace,
Ayman
Salaam Ayman,
So in your opinion a blind person is not allowed to give witness?
This sounds similar to the case of ?Blind Justice in The Land Of Pure? where ex-president of Pakistan Zia ul Haqq under ?hudood law? locked away a blind girl for fornication.
I can only recall from a extract of a novel ?A case of exploding mangoes? about this true case. I believe death by stoning was passed to punish this girl named Zainab who was actually raped. Since she was required to recognise all five culprits in the court, but her testimony was not acceptable as she was not able to witness the act or the person in who committed this horrible crime.peace
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Salaam Ayman,
So in your opinion a blind person is not allowed to give witness?
This sounds similar to the case of ?Blind Justice in The Land Of Pure? where ex-president of Pakistan Zia ul Haqq under ?hudood law? locked away a blind girl for fornication.
I can only recall from a extract of a novel ?A case of exploding mangoes? about this true case. I believe death by stoning was passed to punish this girl named Zainab who was actually raped. Since she was required to recognise all five culprits in the court, but her testimony was not acceptable as she was not able to witness the act or the person in who committed this horrible crime.peace
Peace Farida
Be aware of another blind person Qazi Husain Ahmed he is still mourning hadood law. (
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Peace Farida
Be aware of another blind person Qazi Husain Ahmed he is still mourning hadood law.
Salaam Afridi
I am not aware of that one, but do send a link or details, even of this case of Zainab I remembered from this novel and I am waiting to see how much rigid interpratation of Quran will result in yet more discrimination.
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Peace Prissy,
I think it is not "whoever witnesses" but "whoever was present" (note the verse is in past tense).
Yes thank you for correcting me. The verb is in the past tense. So it is better translated as "whoever amongst you witnessed". However, I disagree that it simply means "was present". One can be present during an event but not witness it. Also, The passage clearly says "whoever amongst you witnessed". This means that there are some "amongst you" who would witness and others would not. Since all are present, being present is not enough.
Also, please remember that the passage clearly said "whoever witnessed" not "whoever was told by someone who witnessed".
Even if the English word used is 'witness', it does not necessarily mean "by sight" only.
I agree. How one witnesses is dependent on what is witnessed. There is nothing to witness about a "month". For example, there is nothing to witness about December. It is simply the arbitrary period that some people agreed upon would be called December. Similarly, there is nothing to witness about Shaaban. It is simply the arbitrary period that some people agreed upon to be called Shaaban. On the other hand, one can witness cosmic phenomenon with his or her eyes or witness a musical recitation with his or her ears.
Blind, deaf and dumb are all subjected to fasting and the exception eased on the sickly, travelers and the destitute provided they complete the favor in due course.
No, even 100% healthy people are not obligated to fast if they can't witness. Thus, people amongst us here who don't even know what "shahr ramadan" means let alone how to witness it, would be exempted from fasting.
The question begs where in the Quran is the clear command that prohibits from eating and drinking? The word 'fasting' itself is undefined.
The Arabic word "swm" simply means "abstaining from something". However, 2187 specifcally tells us that we can have sexual activity and eat and drink only during the night of the fast.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Farida,
So in your opinion a blind person is not allowed to give witness?
No. It depends on what they are witnessing. If they are witnessing that they heard a certain sound then of course they can witness. This would be the same situation if you or I were blind folded by a thief while we were asleep and he or she robbed us. We can't witness that we saw him or her but if he spoke then we can witness that we heard his voice. See my response above to Prissy for more info.
This sounds similar to the case of ?Blind Justice in The Land Of Pure? where ex-president of Pakistan Zia ul Haqq under ?hudood law? locked away a blind girl for fornication. I can only recall from a extract of a novel ?A case of exploding mangoes? about this true case. I believe death by stoning was passed to punish this girl named Zainab who was actually raped. Since she was required to recognise all five culprits in the court, but her testimony was not acceptable as she was not able to witness the act or the person in who committed this horrible crime.
I don't know the details of this case but certainly even if she was not raped and fornicated on purpose, she shouldn't be punished in any way. Unlike "zina" (pornography), fornication is a private matter.
It doesn't matter if a blind girl was raped by five men or a blind man was raped by five girls. Either way if he or she can't identify the attackers then she is not a witness because what if he or she identify the wrong people. In this case some other witness must be used such as a chemist who can analyse DNA samples. So again, it depends on what is being witnessed as I mentioned above to Prissy. Back to 2185, witnessing is not just by sight but the person THEMSELVES must witness and not be told by someone who was told by some other guy, etc. This is why the passage says "whoever amongst you witnessed". Implied in this is that some amongst you would not witness this cosmic phenomenon but fasting is only obligated on those who did.
Peace,
Ayman
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Salaam Ayman, all
Does the verse say (only during the night)?
If we drink and eat during the night, it means that we will have to sleep during the day. Doesn't this contradict the definiton of night and day in the qur'aan vis-vis living and sleeping (7811 and other verses)?Question 2 What is meant in the verse (2184) by "and for those who can afford it to feed a poor"?
Question 3 2185 "...and whoever is ill or travelling, then a count of other days. God intends for you ease and He dos not want to make things difficult for you, and to complete the count..." Which count to complete?