Hot/"ramadan" Answer

farida

Peace Farida,

Those who find hardship in fasting regardless of the reason can feed a poor person according to 2185.
Peace,

Ayman

This is the blessing of our Lord, but I was talking about excemption from fasting.

The question was about Prissy saying that "shahad" doesn't mean "witness" but simply means being "pesent". Your answer doesn't address the question since people in Sweden or anywhere on earth are also "present".

Sorry I should have explained I was reffering to "whoever amongst you" witness the clear division of day and night" and even if people in Sweden are present they do not ger to witness night and dark night most summer months.

Brother Bilal in his last post has given "An Example of Shahada or Shada in Quran" and I would now follow your response to that.

Thanks for addressing my questions.

peace

belH

Salaam Belal

I also thought of the meaning "to testify", but descarded it immediately after scanning this verb in the qur'aan and how it is used.. The verb "yashhadu" meaning "to testify" does not take a direct object. You cannot find in the qur'aan "yashhadu something" meaning to testify. It's to testify THAT or testify ON/UPON something/someone (yashhadu unna/inna or yashhadu 3ala), or just yashhadu without being followed directly by the object.

In the case this verb is followed directly by the object (as the case of the verse we are discussing), then it means to witness.
I hope others try to search this verb in the qur'aan in case I missed something.

Do You Witness that Allah Exist?
And if Yes, is your testimony based on your seeing of Allah or something else?

ayman

Peace Farida,

Of course they are not following the Quran but if we insist on literal meanings of the Arabic than according to some a deaf person would not be able to divorce his wife as he can not utter world talaq.

Where does it say in the great reading that divorce is about uttering a word? I think that you are confusing what you learned from traditions with what is in the great reading. No wonder you don't want to follow the great reading rigidly.

I was not following any image just the calculation of moon cycle by new techonology/websites.

You clearly said you followed the "moonsighting" site. I am afraid that you are following a grossly and misleadingly titled website. If they can't even be truthful about the simple matter of the title of the site then I doubt they are truthful about anything.

Does the great reading mention an image by the digital camera or do we have a tug of war here who wins the arguments??????

But you can't even present a digital image by a digital camera. What you showed is an artificial doctored image. As I said, it is pathetic that 1 billion so-called Muslims in this information age can't even post a real image of the actual new moon from last Sunday or Saturday.

I have posted above my understanding of those "who witness/whoever amongst you" in an earlier post and would welcome your comments.
peace

Thank you and I answered.

Peace,

Ayman

Samia

Do You Witness that Allah Exist?
And if Yes, is your testimony based on your seeing of Allah or something else?

That's exactly what I am saying
The verb here means testify ashhadu alla (an laa that there's no) God but God. God here is not a direct object. This cannot be to witness. I do not say (ashhadu allah)

farida

Peace Farida,

Where does it say in the great reading that divorce is about uttering a word? I think that you are confusing what you learned from traditions with what is in the great reading. No wonder you don't want to follow the great reading rigidly.

You clearly said you followed the "moonsighting" site. I am afraid that you are following a grossly and misleadingly titled website. If they can't even be truthful about the simple matter of the title of the site then I doubt they are truthful about anything.

Salaam Ayman,

No I am not confused I was talking of the jewish "gett" style divorce by this free minder who wrote this

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596857.0
Re Divorce State versus Islam
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Salaam dotty. As I said previously there is no mention of marriage or divorce in the Quran. Asking me for the procedure for divorce is a waste of your time.

However, if you are asking me to outline the procedure for talaq in the Quran, I can give you a skeleton outline. This is not a comprehensive answer because every single talaq is different, with crossover issues, relating in large part to the discretionary decisions of the zawj, and their actions. This outline applies to two normal people and their nikah. May Allah forgive me if I make an error.

The first stage in talaq is for either zawj to request an arbitration, wherein either party appoints their chosen arbitrator from amongst their people, briefs the arbitrator on the issues, then the arbitrators meet and go through the issues and come to a decision as to the issues. The parties are advised to comply with the decision of the arbitrators. There must be a reasonable time frame in the execution of the arbitration so as to allow enough time for both parties to discharge their duties to Allah. The arbitration must be complete as the first step before a talaq can move to the second stage.

The second stage is the pronouncement of talaq by the husband verbally and the requirement that the parties begin to come to a decision as to the issues of mahr and maintenance. According to Allah these issues are to be decided by the parties themselves. There is a mandatory waiting period here again prescribed by Allah. The first pronouncement of talaq and the waiting period must be complete before moving on to the third stage.

The third stage is the second pronouncement of talaq by the husband verbally and the requirement that the parties abide by another mandatory waiting period. At the end of the second waiting period comes the fourth and final stage.

The fourth stage is the separation of the zawj and the completion of the requirements of the talaq and the wife is free to leave the husband.

This is a skeleton outline of the process, when going through this process a person must be careful that all the requirements are met. This outline is based on verses of the Quran.

Allah is the lawgiver.

As I said, it is pathetic that 1 billion so-called Muslims in this information age can't even post a real image of the actual new moon from last Sunday or Saturday.

Thank you and I answered.

Peace,

Ayman

I am sorry; for you the Muslim world may include just the rich, but there are those who do not own a digital camera.

Yes the state of 1 billion so-called Muslims is pathetic and there's no chance that it will improve in the near future. '(

ayman

Peace Farida,

This is the blessing of our Lord, but I was talking about excemption from fasting.

As you saw, this is the exemption due to hardship of any sort, including too long days. It has nothing to do with witnessing anything.

Sorry I should have explained I was reffering to "whoever amongst you" witness the clear division of day and night" and even if people in Sweden are present they do not ger to witness night and dark night most summer months.

But there is no reference to "day and night". The passage clearly says whoever witnesses the "shahr" (according to me the well known and easily witnessed by everyone "scorching full-moon" and according to you some vague and un-witnessable "month" with a meaningless name that doesn't portray reality).

Brother Bilal in his last post has given "An Example of Shahada or Shada in Quran" and I would now follow your response to that.

I already explained previously how witnessing something is dependent on what it is we are witnessing. There are bigger issues than wasting time repeating myself for someone who has demonstrated to me that he is only looking in the great reading for excuses to justify following traditions.

The word "shahada" simply means "witness". Therefore, it is not surprising that you can't witness "the god" with any senses or even your mind. You can only witness that there is no god except the god. In other words, you can witness that there is only one god. The god chooses words very carefully. The god's words are universal so they are not dependent on some committee coming up with a doctored image of the new moon. They were as true hundreds of years ago as they are now and in the future. You only cause hardship on yourself by ignoring what 2185 is saying and the clear meaning of a key word such as "ramadan".

By the way, you didn't answer my question. Do you have faith in the great reading?

Peace,

Ayman

belH

That's exactly what I am saying
The verb here means testify ashhadu alla (an laa that there's no) God but God. God here is not a direct object. This cannot be to witness. I do not say (ashhadu allah)

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"That they may witness the benefits for them, and celebrate the name of Allah, through the Days appointed over the cattle which He has provided for them then eat ye thereof and feed the distressed ones in want. (22-2

What do you witness in Hajj?

ayman

Peace Farida,

No I am not confused I was talking of the jewish "gett" style divorce by this free minder who wrote this

I am really surprised and dissapointed. I thought that you were more intelligent and critical minded than to accept such nonsense and then claim that it is due to following the great reading "too rigidly".

...This outline is based on verses of the Quran.

Not.

I am sorry; for you the Muslim world may include just the rich, but there are those who do not own a digital camera.

This has nothing to do with rich or poor. It has to do with the so-called Muslim world relying on a Mullah or a committee or their government to witness for them. They fail to see the universal spirit of 2185. It has to do with ignorance versus enlightment. Indeed, the night of the measure is better than a thousand full-moons.

Yes the state of 1 billion so-called Muslims is pathetic and there's no chance that it will improve in the near future. '(

You can help them by translating the word "muslim" and show them that it is not a meaningless title that they were born with instead of contributing to the problem by propagating this myth.

Peace,

Ayman

belH

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And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of feeling will be enquired into. (17-36)
Not only the seeing, but the hearing and the reasoning of humans are equal in front of God.

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...." And they say "We hear and we obey; (We seek) Thy forgiveness, Our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." (2-285)

Even here we can witness that the Seeing is not as important as the Hearing !

farida

Peace Farida,

I am really surprised and dissapointed. I thought that you were more intelligent and critical minded than to accept such nonsense and then claim that it is due to following the great reading "too rigidly".

Not.

Ayman

Salaam again

Thank you for your faith in my intelligence and there is no need to feel disappointed with me as I am the one who has fiercely protested about this ?get? version of divorce.

In fact I expected you and other learned people on this forum to confront this sort of interpretation but you all ignored it as if he was right. -\

This has nothing to do with rich or poor. It has to do with the so-called Muslim world relying on a Mullah or a committee or their government to witness for them. They fail to see the universal spirit of 2185. It has to do with ignorance versus enlightment. Indeed, the night of the measure is better than a thousand full-moons.

You can help them by translating the word "muslim" and show them that it is not a meaningless title that they were born with instead of contributing to the problem by propagating this myth.

Peace,

I can only speak for myself that |I never relied on Mullah nor ever sent my children to learn from them.
As for teaching others well I am still learning so how can a student become a teacher?

I am off to bed or I would miss my early morning meal before dawn.
peace

Samia

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"That they may witness the benefits for them, and celebrate the name of Allah, through the Days appointed over the cattle which He has provided for them then eat ye thereof and feed the distressed ones in want. (22-2

What do you witness in Hajj?

The benefits !! confused
You see that the verb here means "witness" and not testify, since it's followed by a direct object.

afridi220

Salaam Afridi

I am not aware of that one, but do send a link or details, even of this case of Zainab I remembered from this novel and I am waiting to see how much rigid interpratation of Quran will result in yet more discrimination.
peace

Salaam farida

here is the link you can read the story of zainab and her hubi imamm -e- masjid it is horraible story only bearded and turban Mullahs the descended of Abu Jahel can .....

http//www.bridgew.edu/soas/jiws/Nov05V2/Imran.pdf

Peace

progod

Peace,

Samia, you said that taaqatun is the verbal noun of yuteequ/ataaqa (form 4). I would urge you to look that up again. The verbal noun of ataaqa would be Itaaqatun, and not just taaqatun. Taaqatun is the verbal noun of the first form yateequ/taaqa. It would seem that the first form means to be able or to be in a position to do something (may be some more meanings). Form 4 means to suffer through something or to be able to suffer through it. So they both can apply ability, but form 4 implies ability with effort and toll, and form 1 just implies ability, like qadira and astitaa3. Hope i helped to clarifiy.

Godbless,
Anwar

Samia

Peace,

Samia, you said that taaqatun is the verbal noun of yuteequ/ataaqa (form 4). I would urge you to look that up again. The verbal noun of ataaqa would be Itaaqatun, and not just taaqatun. Taaqatun is the verbal noun of the first form yateequ/taaqa. It would seem that the first form means to be able or to be in a position to do something (may be some more meanings). Form 4 means to suffer through something or to be able to suffer through it. So they both can apply ability, but form 4 implies ability with effort and toll, and form 1 just implies ability, like qadira and astitaa3. Hope i helped to clarifiy.

Godbless,
Anwar

Salaam Anwar

Taaqa is a noun that can be used as verbal noun according to classical dictionaries

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The verbal noun is "iTaaqa" which means the ability to do something (lisaanul 3arab; al-Sahaah fil-Lugha; al-Qaamuuaul MuheeT).

farida

Salaam farida

here is the link you can read the story of zainab and her hubi imamm -e- masjid it is horraible story only bearded and turban Mullahs the descended of Abu Jahel can .....

http//www.bridgew.edu/soas/jiws/Nov05V2/Imran.pdf

Peace

Salaam
Thank you Afridi for this link
peace

Al_Araf

Salam belalhammad. Having examined many calendars, including native american calendars, then reading the suras of the Quran I wish to offer the following concepts as a way out of the apparent confusion.

The confusion is evident when a debate takes place over ramadan being the hottest month of the year, then the comparison being made between the hottest month in Saudi Arabia in the northern hemisphere, versus the hottest month in South Africa in the southern hemisphere. Obviously the hottest month in the northern hemisphere is six months away from the hottest month in the southern hemisphere.

Allah made the earth and the seasons and the hemispheres, and in such a way, that the hottest month does not fall at the same time on all parts of the earth. Allah in his wisdom established the hottest month ramadan as the month of fasting.

The presumption that exists in the mind of some people, that ramadan must occur at the same time all over the world, is a presumtion that has no basis in any authority from the Quran. I cannot find any ayat of the Quran that says "you must establish ramadan in the same month all throughout the earth"

Because Allah establishes truth and rejects falsehood, we must establish the truth as well. In order to establish the truth, ramadan must be the hottest month of the year in the location at which the momin resides. I am aware that this precludes naming a particular month of the year as ramadan. What this means in practice is there may be a third month in Saudi Arabia that is ramadan for Saudis, and a ninth month in South Africa that is ramadan for South Africans.

I am sure that readers will react in confusion. However, I have faith in Allah, that in what Allah establishes is the truth, therefore, to establish the same for myself is to bring me closer to the truth. If readers can grasp this concept, that establishing the truth of Allah is more important than slavishly following false ideas, I believe this will be valuable to them as a tool for better comprehension of the Quran.

Allah reveals the Quran in stages.

belH

The confusion is evident when a debate takes place over ramadan being the hottest month of the year,

Peace'
Why does "Rammadan" word means "Hot", when God uses other words for Hot?

LET GOD TELL US
Extreme and intense Heat is

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Those who were left behind rejoiced in their inaction behind the back of the Messenger of Allah they hated to strive and fight with their goods and their persons, in the Cause of Allah they said "Go not forth in the heat
. Say "The fire of Hell is fiercer in heat
." If only they could understand! (9-81)

Why God did not use the Word Ramadan Instead of "Har" or "Al-Har"?

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Nor are the (chilly) shade and the extreme heat of the sun (35-21)

Why again God ignored the use of Rammadan instead of "Harror"

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It is Allah who made out of the things He created, some things to give you shade; of the hills He made some for your shelter; He made you garments to protect you from heat
, and coats of mail to protect you from your (mutual) violence. Thus does He complete his favours on you, that ye may surrender to His will (in Islam). (16-81)

Heat is "Har" and never the Word Rammadan.

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Therefore do I warn you of a Fire blazing fiercely; (92-14)

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By no means! For it would be the blazing Heat of Hell! (70-15)

NOW, Where is Your and Ayman and every body who claim Rammadan to mean Heat, proof FROM QURAN. OTHERWISE, you are Misleading People From the TRue Meaning of Quranic Words.

belH

The benefits !! confused
You see that the verb here means "witness" and not testify, since it's followed by a direct object.

Peace

OK,
What ones can witness in Hajj?

Can a Blind Still witness the Hajj (the Benefits), as he can Witness Rammadan?

Thus, witnessing can be by Hearing or Seeing or Both.

ayman

Peace all,

From Chapter 9

Those who have remained are happy with their position of lagging behind God?s messenger, and they disliked striving with their wealth and lives in the cause of God; and they say ?Do not mobilize in the heat.? Say ?The fire of Hell is far hotter,? if they could only understand.
Let them laugh a little, and cry a lot, a recompense for what they had earned.
If God returns you to a group of them, and they ask your permission to come with you, then say ?You will not come with me ever; nor will you fight any enemy with me. You had accepted staying behind the first time, so stay with those who remain behind.?
And do not commune over any of them who have died, nor stand at their grave. They have rejected God and His messenger and died while they were wicked.
And do not be impressed by their wealth and their children; God only wishes to punish them with it in this world, and so their souls will be taken to death while they are rejecters.
And when a chapter is sent down ?That you shall believe in God and strive with His messenger,? those with wealth and influence ask your permission and they say ?Let us be with those who remain behind.?
They were content to stay with those who remained behind, and it was stamped on their hearts, for they do not comprehend.

Chapter 2

2185 A scorching full moon is when the reading was descended as a guidance for people and clarifications from the guidance and the criterion, so whomever amongst you witnesses the full-moon, let him abstain it. And whomever was sick or traveling so a count of other days. The god wants to facilitate and not make it hard on you. And so complete the count and magnify the god for what he guided you and perhaps you would be thankful.

It is very clear but unfortunately some people can't read a few lines down and they can only follow their forefathers like sheep.

Peace,

Ayman

belH

Peace all,

From Chapter 9

Those who have remained are happy with their position of lagging behind God?s messenger, and they disliked striving with their wealth and lives in the cause of God; and they say ?Do not mobilize in the heat.? Say ?The fire of Hell is far hotter,? if they could only understand.

Did God used the Word Rammadan to refer to the word Heat? Or did he used "Har"?

Let them laugh a little, and cry a lot, a recompense for what they had earned.
If God returns you to a group of them, and they ask your permission to come with you, then say ?You will not come with me ever; nor will you fight any enemy with me. You had accepted staying behind the first time, so stay with those who remain behind.?
And do not commune over any of them who have died, nor stand at their grave. They have rejected God and His messenger and died while they were wicked.
And do not be impressed by their wealth and their children; God only wishes to punish them with it in this world, and so their souls will be taken to death while they are rejecters.
And when a chapter is sent down ?That you shall believe in God and strive with His messenger,? those with wealth and influence ask your permission and they say ?Let us be with those who remain behind.?
They were content to stay with those who remained behind, and it was stamped on their hearts, for they do not comprehend.

Chapter 2

2185 A scorching full moon is when the reading was descended as a guidance for people and clarifications from the guidance and the criterion, so whomever amongst you witnesses the full-moon, let him abstain it. And whomever was sick or traveling so a count of other days. The god wants to facilitate and not make it hard on you. And so complete the count and magnify the god for what he guided you and perhaps you would be thankful.

It is very clear but unfortunately some people can't read a few lines down and they can only follow their forefathers like sheep.

Peace,

Ayman

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OK...What do you want to prove?