Rahmadan- guide to fasting in Rahmadan
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I'm not completely sure if "shahr" refers to the full moon itself - I haven't completely finished researching the issue
Peace,
I too have started researching this issue.
4615...and the weaning of him is thirty (30) months, till when he attains full strength and reaches forty years...
The correlation between months and years above is clear.
Referencing "ramadhan" as it's own "month" isn't based on the reading, especially considering the fact that we have no evidence that there was a month named "Ramadhan" during Mohammed's lifetime.
"RMDh" = "extreme/intense/blazing heat; scorching heat"
Then what was the name of the month; shall we call it -- August?
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- worthy of respect because of age and dignity, high position, etc.; venerable
"shahru ramadhan" is not a "month", and nowhere in al-Qur'an does it say to fast for a "whole month".
492...so who does not find, so fasting two months following each other
Therefore, fast a ?whole month? then fast another ?whole month? is in Quran.
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Peace -
If the sea were an inkwell and the tress were pens the sea would run out before the words of my Lord run out...
the quran was sent down the hottest moon...
the Quran was sent down the Rahmadan moon...
the Quran was sent down the hottest month...
the quran was sent down the Rahmadan month...
the Quran was sent down the hottest period
the Quran was sent down the Rahmadan period...
The Quran was sent down the hottest measure of time...
the quran was sent down the Rahmadan measure of time...
the quran was sent down the hottest four weeks....
the quran was sent down the Rahmadan four weeks...
the Quran was sent down the hottest one twelfth of a year...
the Quran was sent down the Rahmadan one thwelth of a year...
the Quran was sent down the hottest 30 days....
the quran was sent down the Rahmadan 30 days...
" You shall make it clear to the people and not conceal it."
The Quran was sent down in the hottest month...
The Quran was sent down in the Rahmadan month...
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The Quran was sent down the Scorching moon...
the quran was sent down the scorching month...
a sorching period...
a scorching 30 days...
ect......
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492...so who does not find, so fasting two months following each other
Therefore, fast a ?whole month? then fast another ?whole month? is in Quran.
Peace
I was talking about during "shahru ramadhan", not during other periods.
If you base the meaning of "shahr" as "month", there not enough information in al-Qur'an to determine exactly when this month begins, exactly how long it lasts, and what are the signs to signify the exact dates. We're not talking about generally fasting/abstaining, we're talking about "shahru ramadhan".
Peace.
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Salaaman Ahmed Bilal,
If you base the meaning of "shahr" as "month", there not enough information in al-Qur'an to determine exactly when this month begins, exactly how long it lasts, and what are the signs to signify the exact dates.
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I think it is better to say we have not reached upto the correct aayat or we have not yet clarified that part by Allah.
Because AlQuraan is a complete book with details.Regards,
mmKhan -
Salaaman Ahmed Bilal,
Oops! &
I think it is better to say we have not reached upto the correct aayat or we have not yet clarified that part by Allah.
Because AlQuraan is a complete book with details.Regards,
mmKhanHello
It is clarified if you translate shahru and ramadhan correctly.
Paix.
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Peace Anthony,
You are making great progress.
Now compare your translation with 971 which says that the great reading was sent down in the night of measure
- We have sent it down in the night of measure.
Now there is a contradiction between your translation of 2185 and what 971 is saying.
Most people brush off this contradiction and instead continue to have faith in their traditions and their completely arbitrary and meaningless so-called Ramadan month. Instead, they should realize that there is an error in how 2185 is translated. Looking at Classical Arabic dictionaries, one can see that the original meaning of the word "shahr" is "full-moon" and this meaning fits perfectly in all the occurences of the word "shahr" in the great reading. So now we know that 2185 is talking about an event that can be witnessed and not a vague month with a meaningless name. The "red hot full-moon" is a well known cosmic event that is the first full-moon after the summer solstice (see my avatar). It is the easiest cosmic phenomenon to witness in the entire year in the entire night sky anywhere around the world.
Peace,
Ayman
I dont see too much contradiction. See below
The Quran was sent down the hottest measure of time...
the quran was sent down the Rahmadan measure of time...
( month = measure of time/moon/ period ect...)
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The Quran was sent down the Scorching moon...
the quran was sent down the scorching month...
a sorching period...
a scorching 30 days...
ect......
The number of months in the sight of Allah is twelve (in a year)- so ordained by him the day he created the heavens and the earth; of them four are sacred that is the straight usage. So wrong not yourselves therein, and fight the Pagans all together as they fight you all together. But know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves. (36).
Verily the transposing (of a prohibited month) is an addition to unbelief the unbelievers are led to wrong thereby for they make it lawful one year, and forbidden another year, in order to adjust the number of months forbidden by Allah and make such forbidden ones lawful. The evil of their course seems pleasing to them. But Allah guideth not those who reject faith (37).
I think the islamic calender made by khalifa umar is based on this aya that is why the months were released from the seasons.
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The Muslim Calendar, of course is based on the Arabic calendar, actually has all the names long before Islam. Most of the names of the months are actually based on the climate at the time or big event which took place. Today's calendar is about 11 days shorter than the Gregorian calendar which is based on the solar cycle, so months usualy shift. In the pre-Islamic days, the Arabic calendar was a lunisolar calendar which used both the lunar months, but was also synchronized with the seasons by the insertion of an additional month known as an intercalary month. This the reason why the names of the months using the seasons come from. Of course now that the calendar is purely lunarcycle, the names do not follow the seasons anymore.
MUHARRAM - is the first month. This month's name is taken from the word "Haram" which means forbidden. There was a custom in Arabia which forbade fighting during this month. It is one of the four sanctified months of the year. Fighting in this month is looked down upon and is often put to the side in respect for Islam. Muslims fast on the tenth day because Adam and Eve, heaven and hell, life and death, fate and the pen were created on this day.SAFAR - literally means ?the void month?. The origin of this word has two theories the first says that when the pagan Arabs went on their looting expeditions they would leave their houses empty or ?sifr? meaning void. The second theory says that the word is derived form the Arabic word for yellow called ?sufr? as when it was first named it fell in the time of autumn, hence the derivation the word yellow as all the leaves at that time turned yellow. It is held to be the unluckiest month of the calendar, as in this month Adam was turned out of the Garden of Eden. A third meaning is "whistling of the wind". When this name was assigned to this month, it was probably a windy time of the year (hence, Autumn).
RABIUL-AWAL - literally means the first month of spring. It seems it was spring time when the name was given.
RABIUL-AKHIR - literally means the last month of spring. Some Arabs also know this Rabiul Thani which means the second month of spring.
JAMADIL-AWAL - The first month of summer. "Jumada" means dry and the word Jumda, from which the name of the month is derived, is used to denote dry parched land land devoid of rain, and hence denote the dry months.
JAMADIL-AKHIR or JAMADA ATHANIA - The last or second month of summer.
RAJAB - Another one of the sacred months in which fighting was forbidden prior to Islam. This was one of the most respected months for the Arabs. It is also called Rajab al Fard. Fard means alone; because the other three sacred months come one after another, except this month. The lexical definition of Rajaba is "to respect", which is where the word Rajab has been derived from and so Rajab denotes ?the honoured month?.
SYA'BAN - This month's name was derived from the word "shu'ba", which means branch. The Arabs used to branch out during this month to look for water. This is the month of ?separation? or branching, so called because the pagan Arabs used to disperse in search of water. On the fifteenth night of this month falls the Shab-i-Barat ?The Night of Records?; on this night Muhammad told his followers that the Al-Mighty records all the deeds that the humans have to perform for the next year.
RAMADAN - The word Ramadan is derived from the word ramd "to burn" and ramda means hot stones. This tells us that when this name was given, it was a very hot time of the year. The entire month is spent fasting from dawn to dusk. The name came from the time before the Islamic calendar, when the month of Ramadan fell in the summer. Fasting during this month is often thought to figuratively burn away all sins. The Qur'an was sent down to the earth during this month. Furthermore, the gates of Heaven would be open all the month and the gates of Hell would be closed.
SHAWWAL - Shawwal means ?tail?; so named because of the fact the she camels, after being with their young for seven to eight months, start to raise their tails. Also taken from the word "shala" which means "when the female camel gets pregnant". When this name was given, the female camels used to get pregnant during this time of the year.
ZULQAEDAH - The Arabic word "qa'ada" means to sit and another derivation of the word is ?Master of Truce? as the pagan Arabs did not conduct war during this month. This is the third sacred month in which fighting was forbidden. The people also used to stop their business activities during this month and sit and prepare for the Hajj (Pilgrimage).
ZULHIJJAH - literally means ?Lord of the Pilgrimage?. It is during this month that pilgrims from all around the world congregate at Mecca to visit the Ka?ba.This is the last sacred month in which fighting was forbidden. This is the month in which the Hajj (Pilgrimage to Mecca) was performed.
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Of course now that the calendar is purely lunarcycle, the names do not follow the seasons anymore.
Peace,
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It is He Who made the sun to be a shining glory and the moon to be a light, and measured out stages for it that ye might know the number of years and the calculation. No wise did Allah create this but in truth and righteousness. (Thus) doth He explain His Signs in detail, for those who understand. (5)
Is it not enough for you to understand from the well-established verse that the Moon and its Stages (Full, Crescent) are what Moslems ordered to use to calculate periods of time.
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And the Moon We have measured for it stages, till it returns like the old "3rgoon"(39)MOON Stages is what Submitter Use to Calculate Period of time, Months and years.
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Hello
It is clarified if you translate shahru and ramadhan correctly.
Paix.
Exactly.
If you translate "shahru ramadhan" correctly, the timing of it is completely explained in the Scripture, it's not left up to forming dates and arbitrary time periods out of thin air.
Peace.
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Exactly.
If you translate "shahru ramadhan" correctly, the timing of it is completely explained in the Scripture, it's not left up to forming dates and arbitrary time periods out of thin air.
Peace.
Salaam
I would appreciate if you could elaborate further. It has become a typical attitude on this forum that participants leave a topic unsolved with some vague phrase.
peace
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Exactly.
If you translate "shahru ramadhan" correctly, the timing of it is completely explained in the Scripture, it's not left up to forming dates and arbitrary time periods out of thin air.
Peace.
Peace
Let Us end this debate in truth.
Is this Shaher Ramadan;
http//oblate-spheroid.blogspot.com/2008/02/leap-year-red-moon-lunar-eclipse.html
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Peace
Let Us end this debate in truth.
Is this Shaher Ramadan;
http//oblate-spheroid.blogspot.com/2008/02/leap-year-red-moon-lunar-eclipse.html
Salaam
I am afraid if you end the debate on your evidence as the last word then it does not solve anything.
I still ask Soof and Ahmed Bilal to explain further how they understand "shahru ramadhan"I hope Ayman would be kind enought to answer for the sake of all Neil's concerns.
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Salaam
I am afraid if you end the debate on your evidence as the last word then it does not solve anything.
I still ask Soof and Ahmed Bilal to explain further how they understand "shahru ramadhan"I hope Ayman would be kind enought to answer for the sake of all Neil's concerns.
peaceEnding the debate in the truth is what matters;
The Truth is Month = Shahar
The Truth is Rammadan = the month when Moslem Fast.
The Truth is Scorching Moon does not happen in Summer time as Ayman Said nor in any other spacific time; morover Scorching Moon does not happen every year.
The Truth is Moslems should use the Moon Stages to Calculate the period of Month.
The Truth is "Witnessing " can be done by Sighting or by Hearing.
The Truth is Blind people can Fast as other Moslems.If the above is not The Truth from our Lord, what else can it be.
I worship The God who Makes his Message very Clear to every human to understand hail
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http//www.free-minds.org/articles/science/timing.htm
Salaam Soof
If this is your authority then please could you explain the two laylat al-qadr scenario as raised by Neil here
Peace all,
I have read Ayman's articles on Ramadan and Laylat Al-Qadr and have questions that I hope can be answered.
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/science/timing.htm
Ayman you seem to say that Ramadan is around the time of the summer solstice (first full moon after it until the next full moon) and that the restrictions on game hunting associated with Hajj in the following months have much to do with the seasons and animal behavior within these months. I quote below.."The timing of the restriction is significant, especially given that the restriction is on hunting wild-life. Interestingly, the restriction doesn't cover domesticated livestock animals (see 51). Why is that? The answer may be because summer is the time when most wild animals and even wild birds give birth. By killing a wild female animal, you are not only killing it but you would also be inadvertently killing all its new-born off-spring who cannot feed and fend for themselves...."
"...Of course, our analysis indicates that the restriction period would be different between the southern and the northern hemisphere. This is fine. There is nothing in the great reading that indicates that they should be the same for people all over the world. We should orient our direction to the truth from our Lord wherever we are, whether in the Southern or Northern hemisphere (see 2149). "
I understand that Ayman means that in the Southern Hemisphere Ramadan will take place after the first full moon after the summer solstice here (I am in Australia) ie after 22 December. Consequently I also take Ayman to mean that we will also have our own 'sacred/restricted months' in which we in the Southern Hemisphere will observe our own Hajj in the months after our Ramadan and hunting restrictions which are appropriate in those months?
If there are 2 Ramadans does it not follow that there are also two sets of sacred months/hajj? Will the location of Hajj cater to pilgrims over a period of 6 months in the year or are there two different locations? surely not?
It also follows that there would be two laylat al-qadr per year? Will there not also be two calendars with two different new years day as the count of full moon months is to begin in the period between one summer solstice to the next?
Thanks for your clarification
peace
Ps I am off to bed now and, as I see Ayman is on line, hopefully I'll read his response this morning.
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Bring forth a Scripture better than this in guidance, if u truthful
2183 O you who have believed, you are ordered to fast as those before you were eat , it could be that you fear and obey ( God). &
2184 At certain times ; so whoever of you is ill or on a journey, then finish at differnt times handshake. And concerning those who cannot endure it eat, they may redeem by feeding any of the poorest of the poor handshake; and whoever gives alms volutarily then it is best for him yes; and it is best that you fast, if you are able. yes
2185 The Quran was sent down in the hottest month sun, to guide the people and to clarify the guidance and the Difference between Right and Wronge police. So one should fast the entire month wow, whoever of you witnesses it. And whoever is ill or on a journey, then finish on different days . God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship nope; and so that you may complete the term handshake, and glorify God for what He has guided you, that you may be thankful.
And if u caint then fear the Fire, whose fuel is people and stones...
While certain people tryin to cause confusion, then bring ur proofs then...Or do u dispute about the revelations without having any explicite knowledge...
We all know the times we are to fast... and that it is the entire month Rahmadan...and if you are a stray, then count in the other months then... P The God has made it known for us when we are to fast...And He dont want to make things difficult...but those with disease in there hearts want that u be diverted into a great diversion brickwall confused...
Bring a translation using a word other than month then if u dont agree... But dont keep disputin without proof nope... I brought my translation jedi...now u bring one better if u dont agree with my word usage....
Are u fastin this month? Or do u not believe? Or what is the problem? And if you are fastin this month Rahmadan but u dont believe and are disputin, then do u uphold what u have no knowledge of?
Alas, each of them wished that they had a seperate Scripture!
O you who believe, you are ordered to fast as those before you were, it could be you fear and obey.
A designated month P; so whoever is ill or traveling; then finish in differnt months P........ect...
The Quran was sent down in the month Rahmadan P,....................So one should fast the month P, whoever witnesses it........ P
What is the hottest month? Huh? Il tell u it is the month of Rahmadan on the Islamic calender...and the hottest month is August in the regular calender....either way u should fast it, and if ill ect... then fast in the other months P
Im startin to get pissed of >(...So if u caint bring the correct translation then you should just shut yo mouth and listen! And if you do bring a translation on the contray to mines and also others, then it better be clear for the people... P
peace im out...