Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Hello bro! Of course, with all due respect, what God wanted to say has been said in the quran...Well if you don mind me asking,do all lunar eclipses turn the moon red?(Honestly, pardon me) How often do they appear? If such a red moon appears in winter due to an eclipse, should we call it (just) a red moon or a scorching moon? Does the description fit?
Peace,
We do not need to play around; Red Moon is what Ayman claiming to happen in June; Red Moon is what Ayman claiming to be "Shahar Rammadan".
Now; after I showed you the Verse where ALLAH Calls Such Event As "Kosef El Kamar" and Not Shahar Rammadn; and after I posted a very reliable Link that explains why Red Moon occurs, and shows that it Happen in Winter, Summer, or Spring and Fall.Now, are you still trying to find more excuse for Ayman's Propaganda?
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Do you agree that one has to witness the moon if they want to fast?
Please, clairfy to Which Stage (e.g., Crescent or Full) of the Moon you are refering to, and what Color (Red or the common Collor--White)?
Which of the two quotes is posted by me? nope
NONE of Them rotfl
Sorry about that, I will try one more time
Salaam Belal
I also thought of the meaning "to testify", but descarded it immediately after scanning this verb in the qur'aan and how it is used.. The verb "yashhadu" meaning "to testify" does not take a direct object. You cannot find in the qur'aan "yashhadu something" meaning to testify. It's to testify THAT or testify ON/UPON something/someone (yashhadu unna/inna or yashhadu 3ala), or just yashhadu without being followed directly by the object.
In the case this verb is followed directly by the object (as the case of the verse we are discussing), then it means to witness.
I hope others try to search this verb in the qur'aan in case I missed something. -
Peace,
We do not need to play around; Red Moon is what Ayman claiming to happen in June; Red Moon is what Ayman claiming to be "Shahar Rammadan".
Now; after I showed you the Verse where ALLAH Calls Such Event As "Kosef El Kamar" and Not Shahar Rammadn; and after I posted a very reliable Link that explains why Red Moon occurs, and shows that it Happen in Winter, Summer, or Spring and Fall.Salaam Bilahhammad
I would like to add this; in fairness I would say that there's doubt that, the month of Ramadan we are observing is actually the right one. I have seen, even in my own life time, how relegious organizations have played with the sighting of the moon and how Saudies control when to start Ramadan so that Hajj may fall in convenient days to accomodate huge number of Hajjis.
I am pretty sure that others too have, in the past, played their part in switching the months, but that does not mean I accept Ayman's version.
For that reason I have pasted above some very valid questions for deliberations from all who can contribute including Nun de plume.
peace
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Salaam Bilahhammad
I would like to add this; in fairness I would say that there's doubt that, the month of Ramadan we are observing is actually the right one. I have seen, even in my own life time, how relegious organizations have played with the sighting of the moon and how Saudies control when to start Ramadan so that Hajj may fall in convenient days to accomodate huge number of Hajjis.
I am pretty sure that others too have, in the past, played their part in switching the months, but that does not mean I accept Ayman's version.
Peace,
ones can play and make mistakes when sighting the crescent. But the mistake will never effect the sequence of the Months; after all the Crescent will have to appear and the Moon will have to disappear.
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Peace,
ones can play and make mistakes when sighting the crescent. But the mistake will never effect the sequence of the Months; after all the Crescent will have to appear and the Moon will have to disappear.
SalamSalaam Belalhammad
True! but its been claimed that even months or hijri was messed up, and its possible that things drastically changed after the Mongol invasion;
the question arises why would one change it unless there was some political reason to do so?
However no one can reject that the moon is used to calculate the year or, as Ayman says the 12 moons and as Neil said It also follows that there would be two laylat al-qadr per year? Will there not also be two calendars with two different new years day as the count of the full moon months is to begin in the period between one summer solstice and the next?I am waiting for Ayman to clarify, in such a scenario, which would be the actual laylat al-qadr, as its definitely one night per year.
peace
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Salaam Belalhammad
True! but its been claimed that even months or hijri was messed up, and its possible that things drastically changed after the Mongol invasion;
Peace,
Rumors are what you will hear, but truth is what you should believe.
Our Rammadan Month has been comming in its respected turn after Shaban; There is no Moslem contry or sect will disagree that Rammadan month this year is between September 1 thru October 1.
By the way, did you watch the Scorching Moon Video in the Link I provided?
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Peace,
By the way, did you watch the Scorching Moon Video in the Link I provided?
It is amazing!!!Yes I did and I understand very well what you posted and looked at it too
However I am waiting for Ayman to resolve the two laylat al-qadr scenario. -XMaybe it's Friday night so not many want to sit on this site but I will be waiting for a response.
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Peace Farida,
Well!!! I centainly have faith in the Qur'an but I do not have faith in the personal interpretation of one person,
Thank you for answering. It is good that we established that you have faith in the great reading because otherwise the whole matter of discussing with you the timing of the abstinence would be pointless.
Not having faith in personal interpretations is what most people say. On the other hand, here is what you said on September 3rd on another thread about who you are following
It could be someone like you but surely he has a bigger following than you will ever have.
So for the timing of the abstinence you have faith in someone that you don?t know and who didn?t even base the timing on anything in the great reading. In fact, had that person started the so-called Islamic calendar three years earlier then you would be fasting in what was Shaaban a month ago. So you are currently fasting a completely random month that has nothing to do with the great reading.
so for that reason, we need to debate and research all channels before arriving at a conclusion.
What debate? A debate requires at least two points of views to be presented and compared. I presented my point of view based on the great reading. You didn?t present anything based on the great reading or otherwise. All you presented was some attempt at a strange argument that since Umar is a proper name then ?ramadan? must be a proper name. This is not a logical argument for any debate and it doesn?t say anything about how you achieved your present understanding based on your faith in the great reading.
When your children ask you why are we fasting now, is that what you are going to tell them? ?We are following someone like Ayman but surely he has a bigger following than Ayman will ever have? and "because Umar is a proper name". Is this the legacy you want to leave?
Now as I have replied to your question it would benefit us all if you could reply to Neil who has asked you for a clarification.
All of Neil?s questions are already explained by the fact that the restriction is on hunting wild-life and hence the restricted full-moons have to be different in the southern and northern hemispheres. Neil then goes on and answers his own questions as ?surely not?. So why does he need an answer from me if it is ?surely not??
If one is talking about the meaningless cultural names Ramadan, Laylat-al-Qadr, Hajj, and manmade calendars then yes, ?surely not?. But if one is talking about the common universal concepts of scorching full-moon, the night of measure (3639 and 971), the feast, and god-given cosmic markers then surely when the scorching full-moon occurs and when the restricted full-moons occur would be different between the southern and northern hemispheres and surely there can be more than one location for the feast (hagg) based on the clear location given in 2226 and surely the night of measure according to 3639 occurs many times in the year every year and it is the same in the southern and northern hemispheres. One of those nights of measure which also had a scorching full-moon is when the great reading was descended. This doesn?t mean that the night of measure and a scorching full-moon only occurred one time over 1400 years ago. I hope I am clear.
If you want to have a real debate then please present how you reached your understanding of the timing based on your faith in the great reading and then we can compare and follow the best available as of now.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace,
Now, are you still trying to find more excuse for Ayman's Propaganda?
I said it before and I say it again,bro...There is no Ayman's propaganda for me....There is no Ayman's version! (I donno whether you give a rat's tail, I don believe in fasting for ten days or 20 or 29,30 or 31. BTW the 10 day fast is conjucntion with the pilgrimage..pilgrimage to where?I really donno..i don follow..). For you it is your own belalhammad/mainstream ramadhan version.For me I sincerely believe God really wants no hardship. If you read the my earlier posts carefully,I was refering strictly to the 4 restricted months in relation to the scorching moon and for the record, I don giva flying ____ about your fasting month that you have chosen to call 'Ramadhan'. I just said this to sunnis now I am saying this to a fellow free-minds org member... (U may say that to me too,alright , peace to the world) I will fast if I had broken any vows...
Peace is my vow...but ...."shows that it Happen in Winter, Summer, or Spring and Fall.'
Well done, so which will fit 'shar ramadhan'? An eclipse is an eclipse and a shar is a shar..Did you answer my query on how oftern it happens within a year?. So you are very postively sure that all eclipses will result in red moon? Moon,satelite,crescent,full moon........it all depends on the situation.Now Shahr needs to be proved that it is an event not caused by an eclipse,that's all.It a full moon that is red and not caused by an eclipse.Either it should or disapproved,right?'Our Rammadan Month has been comming in its respected turn after Shaban; There is no Moslem contry or sect will disagree that Rammadan month this year is between September 1 thru October 1.' 6116 And if you obey the majority of those on Earth they will lead you away from God?s path; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.
for you....
2185 The month of Ramadhan, in which the Qur?an was revealed; as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion. Therefore, whoever of you witnesses the month, then let him fast therein. And whoever is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and glorify God for what He has guided you, that you may be thankful. taken off our sweet website..'month'OOOOkay.This is the one and only verse which has the word ramadhan..
Now lemme ask you ,where in the Quran does Allah say fast for 28 or 29 (if your month falls in Feb) 30 or 31 days depending on the month in clear explicit qurayish arabic? He only says fast therein..where man where Allah also says the month to fast will vary year to year, sunni to shia,19ers to you get the drift....Now do not point to four or five star members..Do not come up with NASA pix.Remember Allah behind the whole shebang did not forget anything 2052 He said ?It?s knowledge is with my Lord, in a record. My Lord does not err or forget.?
We have proven to you (some other guys & i could not refuse) that fasting is not meant for all except a few folks by refering to all the verses in the quran and not to NASA pix,youtube videos and the like.U wanna fast for 30 days,your own biz..U wanna see a moon and call the following 30 days ramadhan,again your own biz.....
Remember my main concern is the scorching moon welcoming a new count of 12 months. And the 4 restricted months where there's a lot going on y'all..AND also a way to establish a community based on the quran.(which was soon deserted-in the forum that is..after i mentioned hunting,non pollution..etc) My next would be having a consesus on 6 day week...
754 Your Lord is God who created the heavens and Earth in six days, then He settled upon the throne. The night runs from the day, which seeks it continually; and the sun and the moon and the stars are all subjected by His command; to Him is the creation and the command. Glory be to God, the Lord of the worlds. a hint at sexagesimal?
105 He is the One who made the sun to emit light, and the moon to reflect it, and He measured its phases; that you may know the number of the years and the count. God has not created this except for truth. He details the revelations for a people who know....yeah yeah yeah the topics in the quran jump all over the place like they are placing hopscotch..the scribes who wrote the whole thing did not have time to arrange it?I donno -offtopic---Hey I am having fun!!!
8013 In records which are honorable.
8014 Raised and pure.
8015 By the hands of scribes. -
Peace Ayman
To end this, please read the following
If the following is true
?and We have sent down to thee the Book explaining all things, a Guide a Mercy and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (16-89)
and if the following is true
And Allah will judge with Truth but those whom (men) invoke besides Him, will not to judge at all. Verily it is Allah Who hears and sees. (40-20)
And if the following is true
Whatever it be wherein ye differ, the decision thereof is with Allah Such is Allah my Lord in Him I trust, and to Him I turn. (42-10)
Then, proof to me and to all that
1-The word Rammadan=Heat
2-The word Shahar=Full Moon
3-The Word M3dodat=few or 10 daysFrom the Quran, as I did prove that they don't from Quran.
Otherwise, you have no Ground in claiming that Shahar Rammadan=Scorching Moon, and we should fast for ten days
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Of course the handicap is language, people like Ayman and some others are the 'language tutors' whose help we need besides the lexicon stuff..As long the "handicap" is not ignorance or indifference or disbelief..peace will prevail... pr
Remember my main concern is the scorching moon welcoming a new count of 12 months. And the 4 restricted months where there's a lot going on y'all..AND also a way to establish a community based on the quran
Is it really to establish a community based on the Quran and, not following the majority, or joining even a bigger majority of Solstice community. Starting from the night of measure and from then on journay to secret months etc. Actually you should go back to the orignal event
A celebration of life - standing amongst the towering stones with 30,000 others watching the sun rise on the magical midsummer morning.
It's great to be able to stand inside the sacred circle of sarsens as our ancestors did as dawn appears over the Heel Stone - much better than from behind a fence. A traditional way to celebrate the longest day of the year.
There's an amazing communal excitement at the solstice sunrise as the spiritual ancestry of this prehistoric temple is celebrated - with whoops of joy, drumming, horn blowing, cheering and applause...it makes you feel good to be alive.
This re-enacting of an ancient ceremony brings a mystical link, stretching right back through the aeons of time, producing almost a celebratory communion with our ancestors.
The mighty stones seem to breathe...
http//www.new-age.co.uk/Happy Red Moon Year!!
This year I actually saw a red moon (not a full one)-I was so excited-the very first time in my life..(a little spooky though)
Salaam to all..hmm and how come it is scorching because it has taken its light from Sun God the maker
peace
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Peace Farida,
Thank you for answering. It is good that we established that you have faith in the great reading because otherwise the whole matter of discussing with you the timing of the abstinence would be pointless.
Ayman
My Pleasure!!!
Not having faith in personal interpretations is what most people say.
If you want to have a real debate then please present how you reached your understanding of the timing based on your faith in the great reading and then we can compare and follow the best available as of now.Peace,
But the Hoopoe said "I have compassed ( www ) which thou hast not compassed, and I have come to thee from http//www.free-minds.org/articles/science/timing.htm with tidings true.
"I found (there) Ayman ruling over them and provided with every requisite
"I found him and his people worshipping the sun besides Allah. Satan has made their deeds seem pleasing in their eyes, and has kept them away from the Path,- so they receive no guidance,- Save the blind!!!
Ayman saysHence, the full-moon after the summer solstice is easier to witness. Moreover, because this orange moon appears while the days are longest, at the time of its appearance it is still daylight and it is still hot outside. All these signs are certainly not coincidental
Pagans are in awe of the incredible strength of the sun and the divine powers that create life
This is how You incorporate the incredible strength of the sun into your version of the great reading
When does scorching heat begin to take place? The time of scorching heat starts after the summer solstice. This is the time when the sun is at its highest point and hence the shadow is smallest. Verse 2545 talks about the indicative relationship between the sun and the shadow. It is after the summer solstice that the weather starts to become hot
So now that we have this puzzle finally solved, let's turn our attention back to the restricted full-moons. We already determined that the first full-moon after the summer solstice (the full-moon of "ramadhan" is the first restricted full-moon. Hence, counting four full-moons beginning with the first full-moon after the summer solstice would give us the restricted four full-moons and as usual, the crescent times the end of the period (a period of about 90+10 100 days). The solstice happens towards the later part of June (June 22 or so). The full-moon of scorching heat would be 0-30 days after that. Thus, the start of the restricted full-moons would be on average around the beginning of the second week of July and would end around the third week in October (this is average but it could be sooner or as late as end of October depending on when the full-moon occurred after the summer solstice). So the restriction full-moons cover the time from about mid summer to mid fall.Reflection from the sun god starting from mid summe ????
You say
When the night of measure ("laylat al-qadr" occurs was inadvertently found. Simply, according to 2185 the great reading was sent down in the night of the full-moon of scorching heat, which is also the night of measure 971. We have sent it down in the night of measure.
Hence, the night of the measure is the night of the abstinence (i.e., the night before the abstinence when the full-moon of scorching heat is observed... linking it again to 'Solstice'( derives from the Latin term meaning 'sun stood still', ...Sun God
Similar incorporation occurred in the past
The Summer Solstice was incorporated into the Christian calendar during the spread of Christianity, and like so many of the old festivals, was given new meaning which was considered less Paganistic and more suited to the Christian festival. The Summer Solstice became the feast day of 'St. John the Baptist'
Another method to mark a season/solstice was by watching the Sun or Moon from a fixed position. The method was frequently used throughout Europe, Asia, and the Americas. Stonehenge (England UK) is an example of this method. This is one of the reasons that Summer Solstice celebrations continue even today linking with the acknowledgement of 'Nature and the Seasons' and may be why they have been passed on/through different belief systems (Pagans, Druids). Stonehenge is believed to have been constructed before the Pyramids. Incidently, the temple at 'Karnack' in Egypt also appears to have used solstice alignments
http//www.mystical-www.co.uk/solstice/index.htm#sols
I would therefore suggest that Ayman put his and his sheeps picture on this site bellow or withdraw your claim.
Stonehenge Summer Solstice pictures Sto
New Age Events 2008 - festivals, fairs and funAs for me I follow the Qur'an and the rightly guided messenger.
peace
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Peace Farida,
As for me I follow the Qur'an and the rightly guided messenger.
This is just an empty slogan used by all clueless Sunnis and Shias while they blindly follow like sheep their forefathers. Thus, exactly like them when quizzed on showing how the timing that they follow is based on the great reading, you are conveniently mute. So it is not surprising that you are unable to debate and you instead make noise with mindless argumentation to evade the question of "how your timing is based on the great reading?". I invited you to a debate by presenting your evidence for the timing based on the great reading, which you claimed to have faith in. If you are unable to do it, then your claim just like your slogan is empty and I don't have any time to waste on your nonsense (such as "ramadan is a proper name because Umar is a proper name" especially since my point is already being proven by your hypocrisy.
Peace,
Ayman
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D Is it really to establish a community based on the Quran and, not following the majority, or joining even a bigger majority of Solstice community. Starting from the night of measure and from then on journay to secret months etc. Actually you should go back to the orignal event
A celebration of life - standing amongst the towering stones with 30,000 others watching the sun rise on the magical midsummer morning.
It's great to be able to stand inside the sacred circle of sarsens as our ancestors did as dawn appears over the Heel Stone - much better than from behind a fence. A traditional way to celebrate the longest day of the year.
There's an amazing communal excitement at the solstice sunrise as the spiritual ancestry of this prehistoric temple is celebrated - with whoops of joy, drumming, horn blowing, cheering and applause...it makes you feel good to be alive.
This re-enacting of an ancient ceremony brings a mystical link, stretching right back through the aeons of time, producing almost a celebratory communion with our ancestors.
The mighty stones seem to breathe...
http//www.new-age.co.uk/hmm and how come it is scorching because it has taken its light from Sun God the maker
peace
Woman,you are deranged...Have you forgotten Allah and jumped on board with your imaginary pagan friends? Are you not a little old for imaginary friends.
You praise Sun God, that 's your problem,You deny Allah being the reason behind every phonemenon by calling upon your pagan infested views..How dare you mention a pagan deity!!! Allah says the moon and the sun are for markers and such. My life is dedicated to Allah and that's my problem. You go to the stonehenge and do your dance..I never ever thought about the stone Henge,you did .Instead of reading the quran and giving all of us here a better understanding of each others' views you go search for stonehenge...what.the ???.remember my appraoch has always been polite,you step outa line by calling me 'cult member' or similar degrading mantles, God helpme keep a civil tongue.. For me, It has always been Allah from the day I began my journey. farida,where did you get the idea we worship the sun? How can you stoop so goddamn low to protect your interests and views..Noone else have been so aggressive in defending baseless views yes again Goddamn Baseless views & you have to dig your pagan past and summon the sun-god and the stonehenge to harrass..To Allah all your imaginary monsters are too trivial and will be sqaushed..No 2 members in this forum will agree on everthing......SO LEAVE IT AT THAT...
God willing, I will join any quranic communtiy that i can find no matter how small,how poor and I bet we will not speak of pagan things,You go join the 30 day fast New Moon community-oh yeah you are already in (the biggest and the majority )and it seems you are the spokesperson,all the best,look for a new moon every year (oh dearwhere's the new moon ..where's the new moon..has anybody seen the new moon..boohoohoo i wanna fast and i wanna fast now!!) fast whatever month, be it 28,29,30 or 31 day month you are told to...your problem.Oh yah the Quan says ramadan comes after Shaban NOT!!
I am not a spokesperson for any Solt...I cannot even mention such a lowly thought with my mind and heart that only praises Allah,In case you are in doubt,Allah is the RabbAlamin and not one of your imaginative pagan buddies......The Quran speaks for me..the everlasting messenger..oh yes sorry,you cannot find any hymns for your sun god but you can find the beautiful Al Fatihah FOR ALLAH AND ALLAH ONLY & NOT THE MOON OR THE SUN OR ANY MESSENGER PROPHET....BTW the night of power or the night journey are past events....why do you even bring that in...let go of the past..
Allah is my guide...The Quran is the only word of God..for some of you, mystically add your own words even they are proven that they do not exist..look the other & do things the devil whispers into your ears. and then go on summoning sungod and stonehenge mystism eew.to smear/block the quranic views. I have never brought extra/pagan materials to support my claims only the quran....
So it has come to this,I have said this to many others and this time to a member of free-minds.org Bismillahin Al raman AlRahim) May the curse of Allah be upon the one and the family who is lying....(you and the rest of the non fixed fasting month observers OR whoever can curse me the same) Right now I could not even care about getting banned from this forum by saying these things...I
361 Whoever debates with you in this after the knowledge has
come to you, then say ?Let us call our children and your
children, our women and your women, ourselves and
yourselves, then, let us call out, and we shall make God?s
curse upon the liars.?1118 And who is more wicked than one who invents lies about
God? They will be displayed before their Lord, and the
witnesses will say ?These are the ones who lied about their
Lord.? Alas, God?s curse will be upon the wicked. -
Woman,you are deranged...Have you forgotten Allah and jumped on board with your imaginary pagan friends? Are you not a little old for imaginary friends.
Why does it have to be like this; why do you have to be uncivil when somebody disagree with you? Is that how Your Lord ordered you to be like?
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Peace Farida,
I invited you to a debate by presenting your evidence for the timing based on the great reading, which you claimed to have faith in.
Peace,Ayman
Civil is what we should be like when debating;
Now here is what Quran says about timing
Peace Samia,
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It is He Who made the sun to be a shining glory and the moon to be a light, and measured out stages for it that ye might know the number of years and the calculation. No wise did Allah create this but in truth and righteousness. (Thus) doth He explain His Signs in detail, for those who understand. (5)
Is it not enough for you to understand from the well-established verse that the Moon and its Stages (Full, Crescent) are what Moslems ordered to use to calculate periods of time.
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And the Moon We have measured for it stages, till it returns like the old "3rgoon"(39)MOON Stages is what Submitter Use to Calculate Period of time, Months and years.
Now, if the above is true, how should we calculate?
Well, if we are calculating Moon Cycle, we should count the days from the begining of cycle untill the end.They ask thee concerning the crescents. Say they are but signs to mark fixed periods of time for men, and for pilgrimage. It is no virtue if ye enter your houses from the back; it is virtue if ye fear Allah. Enter houses through the proper doors and fear Allah that ye may prosper. (2-189)
What is the begining of the Moon Cycle is it the Waxing crescent or the wining crescent? confused
Well, I say the one that marks the begining of the Moon Cycle--the Waxing Crescent.Peace
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God gave me a heart..there is only so much the heart can take. OfftopicU know the opposite of muslim? It could be very well 'mischief maker'. I never wanted to create mischief. If anyone does not like my views but have thier own and very convinced of it, just say so - say a bye bye in peace..I am full of love...believe me
thank you for asking.Godbless.