Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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God gave me a heart..there is only so much the heart can take. OfftopicU know the opposite of muslim? It could be very well 'mischief maker'. I never wanted to create mischief. If anyone does not like my views but have thier own and very convinced of it, just say so - say a bye bye in peace..I am full of love...believe me
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Salaam members
I hope the attck stops here, and let's discuss calmly, without cursing or silly accusations. We are all here seeking the truth, and should respect each other the way we would like to be respected. Let's not be obliged to block this thread.
Salaam belal
If you have noticed, the first verse speaks of (the moon) not the crescent, and the sun, to know the years and the count...the sun for the years, the moon for the count.
The second verse speaks of crescents why not just (the crescent) like (the moon)? Because in a moon's cycle there is more than one crescent. -
Salaam belal
If you have noticed, the first verse speaks of (the moon) not the crescent, and the sun, to know the years and the count...the sun for the years, the moon for the count.
The second verse speaks of crescents why not just (the crescent) like (the moon)? Because in a moon's cycle there is more than one crescent.Salam;
Do you want an honst debate? if yes please note the followingThe Moon is what God is refering to when saying "Wa Kadarho Manazel Le-tarofo Addad elsineen wa-elhesab"
The words wa-Kdarho Manazel, which means Made its Stages only refers to Moon Stages.
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And the Moon We have measured for it stages, till it returns like the old "3rgoon"(39)The Sun does not have stages as the Moon; it is allways Full Sun.
Also, as I told you before, when calculating the Moon Cycle in order to know the Month and year, we should start from the begining of the Cycle (Waxing crescent) till the end of cycle (the other Waxing crescent).; as I would know that the wineing Crecsent is giving me hints the the Moon Cycle is about to end. But if I use it (the wineing Crescent) as a mark of the end of Month, then the month would be 20 days or less; and that will not agree with the verses that says the year has 12 month; nor with the verses that discribs the women period and its relation to one month.
Peace
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Peace Samia,
If you have noticed, the first verse speaks of (the moon) not the crescent, and the sun, to know the years and the count...the sun for the years, the moon for the count.
The second verse speaks of crescents why not just (the crescent) like (the moon)? Because in a moon's cycle there is more than one crescent.Also, please notice that the moon is described as measured in "manazil". From its etymology, I don't think that the word "manajil" simply means stages. NZL also has the connotation of something going down. So the cycle is described as starting with the moon "descending/going down in stages". Of course, it can only "descend" from the full-moon stage.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Samia,
Also, please notice that the moon is described as measured in "manazil". From its etymology, I don't think that the word "manajil" simply means stages. NZL also has the connotation of something going down. So the cycle is described as starting with the moon "descending/going down in stages". Of course, it can only "descend" from the full-moon stage.
Peace,
Ayman
Manazel is Stages; the Stages (cycle) starts from smallest untill its peak and then it will descend to its smallest.
Moreover if you agree that Manazel was refering to Moon, then to calculate the years is by Moon as will. (please note the verse) -
Peace Farida,
This is just an empty slogan used by all clueless Sunnis and Shias while they blindly follow like sheep their forefathers. Thus, exactly like them when quizzed on showing how the timing that they follow is based on the great reading, you are conveniently mute. So it is not surprising that you are unable to debate and of "how your timing is based on the great reading?". I invited you to a debate by presenting your evidence for the timing based on the great reading, which you claimed to have faith in. If you are unable to do it, then your claim just like your slogan is empty and I don't have any time to waste on your nonsense (such as "ramadan is a proper name because Umar is a proper name" especially since my point is already being proven by your hypocrisy.
Peace,
Ayman
Peace Ayman,
Br Bilal has been telling you, with evidence from the Quran, how the timing from Quran should be approched yet you shun him and keep promoting your Summer Solstice agenda
If you want to read my views then they are same as those of Belalhammad, so take that as my argument and my evidence for the timing based on the Qur'an.I follow the Qur'an and this was reavealed to the seal of the prophets Mohammad who established final version of the the deen for us. Many hypocrites since then have been busy distorting the true message and have succeeded in doing so, but they could not change the wording of the Qur'an. Attached to the Qur'an is the month when it was revealed and its has been observed since that time, regardless of what hijri you call. Many many sects with in so called Muslims have two things in common one is the Qur'an and the Ramadhan.
You claim that it is random month so burden of proof is with you.you instead make noise with mindless argumentation to evade the question
Is that all you have to say in response to my post above? So you are mute about the Summer Solstice as your origin of faith?
I reiterate the method you are promoting has its origin in pagan traditions and I have proved that to you with evidence and everyone can search under Summer Solstice for the origin of this approach; you can call it mindless.
.... Like other religious groups, Pagans are in awe of the incredible strength of the sun and the divine powers that 'create life'. For Pagans this spoke in the Wheel of the Year is a significant point. The Goddess took over the earth from the horned God at the beginning of spring and she is now at the height of her power and fertility. For some Pagans the Summer Solstice marks the marriage of the God and Goddess and see their union as the force that creates the harvest's fruitspeace
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Woman,you are deranged...Have you forgotten Allah and jumped on board with your imaginary pagan friends? Are you not a little old for imaginary friends.
You praise Sun God, that 's your problem,You deny Allah being the reason behind every phonemenon by calling upon your pagan infested views..How dare you mention a pagan deity!!! Allah says the moon and the sun are for markers and such. My life is dedicated to Allah and that's my problem. You go to the stonehenge and do your dance..I never ever thought about the stone Henge,you did .remember my appraoch has always been polite,you step outa line by calling me 'cult member' or similar degrading mantles, God helpme keep a civil tongue.. For me, It has always been Allah from the day I began my journey. farida,where did you get the idea we worship the sun? How can you stoop so goddamn low to protect your interests and views..Noone else have been so aggressive in defending baseless views yes again Goddamn Baseless views & you have to dig your pagan past and summon the sun-god and the stonehenge to harrass..To Allah all your imaginary monsters are too trivial and will be sqaushed..No 2 members in this forum will agree on everthing......SO LEAVE IT AT THAT...
God willing, I will join any quranic communtiy that i can find no matter how small,how poor and I bet we will not speak of pagan things,You go join the 30 day fast New Moon community-oh yeah you are already in (the biggest and the majority )and it seems you are the spokesperson,all the best,look for a new moon every year (oh dearwhere's the new moon ..where's the new moon..has anybody seen the new moon..boohoohoo i wanna fast and i wanna fast now!!) fast whatever month, be it 28,29,30 or 31 day month you are told to...your problem.Oh yah the Quan says ramadan comes after Shaban NOT!!
I am not a spokesperson for any Solt...I cannot even mention such a lowly thought with my mind and heart that only praises Allah,In case you are in doubt,Allah is the RabbAlamin and not one of your imaginative pagan buddies......The Quran speaks for me..the everlasting messenger..oh yes sorry,you cannot find any hymns for your sun god but you can find the beautiful Al Fatihah FOR ALLAH AND ALLAH ONLY & NOT THE MOON OR THE SUN OR ANY MESSENGER PROPHET....BTW the night of power or the night journey are past events....why do you even bring that in...let go of the past..
Allah is my guide...The Quran is the only word of God..for some of you, mystically add your own words even they are proven that they do not exist..look the other & do things the devil whispers into your ears. and then go on summoning sungod and stonehenge mystism eew.to smear/block the quranic views. I have never brought extra/pagan materials to support my claims only the quran....
So it has come to this,I have said this to many others and this time to a member of free-minds.org Bismillahin Al raman AlRahim) May the curse of Allah be upon the one and the family who is lying....(you and the rest of the non fixed fasting month observers OR whoever can curse me the same) Right now I could not even care about getting banned from this forum by saying these things...I
361 Whoever debates with you in this after the knowledge has
come to you, then say ?Let us call our children and your
children, our women and your women, ourselves and
yourselves, then, let us call out, and we shall make God?s
curse upon the liars.?1118 And who is more wicked than one who invents lies about
God? They will be displayed before their Lord, and the
witnesses will say ?These are the ones who lied about their
Lord.? Alas, God?s curse will be upon the wicked.Salaam Rajah
Calm down I apologise for sounding harsh and I can understand that, to a believer like you, my post was a shock but I had to write that to save my brother from getting swayed by the eloquence of Ayman.
Before I say more I?ll paste for you something from Anders, with whom I disagreed on most issues but I recommend you read this warning
http//19.org/forum/index.php/t/7268/1240/
Monotheists, in their zeal to profess their monotheism, have a very strong tendency to acknowledge only 2 intelligent parties, man and god. This causes them to think that anything that is too complicated for man to create MUST therefore originate from god.
This is nonsensical, for it over looks the 3rd party known by various names which I shall here refer to as Satan.
Satan is known to be far beyond the intelligence of man, and no one who considers the ongoing suffering on this planet can rationally deny that.
Rationally therefore, we can not conclude without further evidence that something found to be beyond the creative abilities of man must therefore originate from god.It could very well originate from Satan!...............anders
Instead of reading the quran and giving all of us here a better understanding of each others' views you go search for stonehenge...what.the ???.It is not enough that we read the Qur'an we must also be aware of what goes on around us and beware of Satan so I would not stop keeping an eye on the pagan traditions and
Say "I seek refuge with the Lord of the people,"
The King of the people,"
The god of the people,"
From the evil of the sneaking whisperer,"
Who whispers into the chests of the people."God bless you
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Peace Farida,
If you want to read my views then they are same as those of Belalhammad, so take that as my argument and my evidence for the timing based on the Qur'an.
This is just a lazy excuse. Surely, anyone can do better than having faith in a guy who skips over the word ?sun? in 105 and is unable to read 1712 or other clear signs such as 1247-49 showing that the year is solar, etc. So don?t expect me to waste my time on a guy who argues for the sake of arguing, can?t read, and makes idiotic claims such as ?Moon, Sun, Stars are all proper names?. I am also not going to waste my time repeating myself to any of his mentally lazy followers who like to use the logical fallacy of appeal to popularity to desperately try to justify fasting a completely random month, a fact which is already proven in my article. Again, if you are sincere about having a debate and finding the truth then you have to let go of all your preconceptions and instead of focusing on me read the great reading and present your own case.
As for using the sun and the moon for timing being pagan, this just demonstrates to which depth you will sink and what lies you will tell to argue for the sake of arguing. It also shows once again your hypocricy since you yourself use the new-moon for timing the fast and the sun to time all your daily and annual activities.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Farida,
This is just a lazy excuse. Surely, anyone can do better than having faith in a guy who skips over the word ?sun? in 105 and is unable to read 1712 or other clear signs such as 1247-49 showing that the year is solar, etc. So don?t expect me to waste my time on a guy who argues for the sake of arguing, can?t read, and makes idiotic claims such as ?Moon, Sun, Stars are all proper names?.
Peace,
Ayman
Peace Ayman
How arrogant! You say you follow the great reading this is how you speak looking down on others. IS this how you interprete humbleness in your great reading?.
Since this discussion started you have shown no flexibility in your approach, you mock those who have less knowlege than you of the Arabic language and you are pleased with those who agree with you, regardless of their rigid views on other issues, as long as they follow you; that is all that matters.
On many important discussions, I have noticed you conveniently keep out; one example was Al-Araf's view on verbal divorce. You have put all your effort into the matter of Ramadan; I can see that you have done lots of hard work and this is now a matter of your ego but I saw nowhere in your article a proof of when the calender was messed up from Summer Solstice to luner appraoch or the Prophet forgot to explain this and left it to you to carry the burden; you only give details that hijri was added. You have given no reason, political or commercial, for the chage you claim " a completely random month".I am also not going to waste my time repeating myself to any of his mentally lazy followers who like to use the logical fallacy of appeal to popularity to desperately try to justify fasting a completely random month, a fact which is already proven in my article. Again, if you are sincere about having a debate and finding the truth then you have to let go of all your preconceptions and instead of focusing on me read the great reading and present your own case
I do not want to discuss further with you, unless you explain to me why you base your logic on Summer Solstice? Are you...
Like other religious groups, Pagans are in awe of the incredible strength of the sun and the divine powers that create life. For Pagans this spoke in the Wheel of the Year is a significant point. The Goddess took over the earth from the horned God at the beginning of spring and she is now at the height of her power and fertility. For some Pagans the Summer Solstice marks the marriage of the God and Goddess and see their union as the force that creates the harvest's fruitsI have never claimed to possess greater understanding than you or any one else I believe in my own one to one connection with God and this connection has carried me through. You may call me lazy, but I do not want to rely on your, a mullah or the interpretation of anyone else regarding my faith.
peace
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Surely, anyone can do better than having faith in a guy who skips over the word ?sun? in 105 and is unable to read 1712 or other clear signs such as 1247-49 showing that the year is solar, etc. So don?t expect me to waste my time on a guy who argues for the sake of arguing, can?t read, and makes idiotic claims such as ?Moon, Sun, Stars are all proper names?. I am also not going to waste my time repeating myself to any of his mentally lazy followers who like to use the logical fallacy of appeal to popularity to desperately try to justify fasting a completely random month, a fact which is already proven in my article. Again, if you are sincere about having a debate and finding the truth then you have to let go of all your preconceptions and instead of focusing on me read the great reading and present your own case.
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You are a Tough Cookie!If you want to show me you are so good, please answer
Peace Ayman
To end this, please read the following
If the following is true
and We have sent down to thee the Book explaining all things, a Guide a Mercy and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (16-89)
and if the following is true
And Allah will judge with Truth but those whom (men) invoke besides Him, will not to judge at all. Verily it is Allah Who hears and sees. (40-20)
And if the following is true
Whatever it be wherein ye differ, the decision thereof is with Allah Such is Allah my Lord in Him I trust, and to Him I turn. (42-10)
Then, proof to me and to all that
1-The word Rammadan=Heat
2-The word Shahar=Full Moon
3-The Word M3dodat=few or 10 daysFrom the Quran, as I did prove that they don't from Quran.
Otherwise, you have no Ground in claiming that Shahar Rammadan=Scorching Moon, and we should fast for ten days
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Peace All;
Please understand why Ayman is defending his calender
http//www.webexhibits.org/calendars/year-history.html#SECTION00380000000000000000
And here is its history which shows that it has no religous bases at Mohamed time nor Jesus time nor Moses time
http//www.webexhibits.org/calendars/year-history.html
Now, ask yourself a Question, Why Ayman is doing this?
PeacePeace Farida,
This is just a lazy excuse. Surely, anyone can do better than having faith in a guy who skips over the word sun in 105 and is unable to read 1712 or other clear signs such as 1247-49 showing that the year is solar, etc.
(Joseph) said "For seven years shall ye diligently sow as is your wont and the harvests that ye reap ye shall leave them in the ear except a little, of which ye shall eat. (12-47) "Then will come after that (period) seven dreadful (years), which will devour what ye shall have laid by in advance for them, (all) except a little which ye shall have (specially) guarded. (12-4 "Then will come after that (period) a year in which the people will have abundant water, and in which they will press (wine and oil)." (12-49)
Now understand what yousuf was refering to, as an Egyption
The following is a quotation from http//www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0002061.html
The Egyptian Calendar
The ancient Egyptians used a calendar with 12 months of 30 days each, for a total of 360 days per year. About 4000 B.C. they added five extra days at the end of every year to bring it more into line with the solar year.1 These five days became a festival because it was thought to be unlucky to work during that time.The Egyptians had calculated that the solar year was actually closer to 3651/4 days, but instead of having a single leap day every four years to account for the fractional day (the way we do now), they let the one-quarter day accumulate. After 1,460 solar years, or four periods of 365 years, 1,461 Egyptian years had passed. This means that as the years passed, the Egyptian months fell out of sync with the seasons, so that the summer months eventually fell during winter. Only once every 1,460 years did their calendar year coincide precisely with the solar year.
In addition to the civic calendar, the Egyptians also had a religious calendar that was based on the 291/2-day lunar cycle and was more closely linked with agricultural cycles and the movements of the stars.
- The correct figures are lunation 29 d, 12 h, 44 min, 2.8 sec (29.530585 d); solar year 365 d, 5 h, 48 min, 46 sec (365.242216 d); 12 lunations 354 d, 8 h, 48 min, 34 sec (354.3671 d).
in 105 and is unable to read 1712
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We have made the Night and the Day as two (of Our) Signs the Sign of the Night have We obscured, while the Sign of the day We have made to enlighten you; that ye may seek bounty from your Lord, and that ye may know the number and count of the years all things have We explained in detail. (17-12)That is how we calculate the day; it is very clear by the Sun Cycle as I said before. But to calculate the Month, God said to use Moon Cycle and count its days. and to calculate the year is 12 Month.
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It is He Who made the sun to be a shining glory and the moon to be a light (of beauty), and measured out stages for it that ye might know the number of years and the count (of time). No wise did Allah create this but in truth and righteousness. (Thus) doth He explain His Signs in detail, for those who understand. (10-5)
I hope you can read that the Moon Stages (Full and Crescent) is for calculating the year, and not the Sun (it does not have stages)Is that all you have as proof to call for 2 Rammadan months and two Night of Measuer?
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Peace Farida,
Let's focus on what is important and leave aside the idle talk. Here is the most important and constructive thing you said and I commend you on it
I have never claimed to possess greater understanding than you or any one else I believe in my own one to one connection with God and this connection has carried me through. You may call me lazy, but I do not want to rely on your, a mullah or the interpretation of anyone else regarding my faith.
If you do not want to "rely on me, a mullah or the interpretation of anyone else regarding your faith" then you have got to read the great reading and present your own case. There is no way around it.
Therefore, let's try a different approach going forward instead of you asking me questions and then me answering. If we continue to do this then you would simply continue to not ponder on my answers and ignore them and I would be robbing you of a chance to reach your own understanding and make a one on one connection with the god. So let's try an approach where I only give you a small hint and you research and answer the question yourself. To start with let's use this approach with the 2 questions that you had
- Why the summer solstice?
Hint 1712 and 2185
Hint use online Classical Arabic dictionary http//www.baheth.info/index.jsp to look up the meaning for key words such as "shahr" and "ramadan" and confirm which meaning best fits in the context given the above passages.- What was the motive to mess up the timing of the restriction after the death of the prophet?
Hint 936-37, 51, 594-96.
Also, when you check http//www.baheth.info/index.jsp for the meaning of "ramadan" see how some derived meanings relate to hunting.Please present your answers when you are ready. If you don't want to present them now then that is fine too and I hope that in the future you will.
I hope this helps.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace all;
Here are some links so you can learn about Summer Solistichttp//www.religioustolerance.org/summer_solstice.htm
http//www.sikhnet.com/people/summer-solstice-2008
http//www.ocregister.com/ocregister/travel/newsandnotes/article_1713297.php
http//www.beliefnet.com/story/107/story_10796_1.html
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Hey Ayman,
This thread that you posted which reads Hot/Ramadhan is very enlightening although I must say it got washed away by several views through their inconsistent and irrelevant replies .Acceptable also are your views concerning the astro calculations of the movements of the heavenly bodies which conforms with precise modern day calculations done by astro physicists and scientistsand astro researchers.
My question is if the northern summer solstice begins from the prescribe date of around 21st June and therafter the scorching moon avails itself due to movement of the earth relative to the stationary positions of the heavenly bodies will it be possible for the communities along the narrow parallels of the equator observe not one but 2 scorching moons every 6 months when the sun moves up and down between the notherthern and southern tropics of cancer and capricorn?
Please elaborate as I need to decide when to fast?Thank you.
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Peace Sibute,
This thread that you posted which reads Hot/Ramadhan is very enlightening although I must say it got washed away by several views through their inconsistent and irrelevant replies .Acceptable also are your views concerning the astro calculations of the movements of the heavenly bodies which conforms with precise modern day calculations done by astro physicists and scientistsand astro researchers.
Thank you for your kind comments. What is amazing is that with all the advancements and precise calculations in modern astronomy, no scientist or astro physicist has proposed a simple and fool proof method of intercalation to use lunar months with a solar year. In one sentence in 936 the god tells us that we simply have to count exactly 12 full-moons in every single year. This means that we would skip counting the 13th full-moon that we get every three years. This is the most simple and elegant solution and it is amazing that no one has put it in such simple terms even with all the advancements in astronomy.
My question is if the northern summer solstice begins from the prescribe date of around 21st June and therafter the scorching moon avails itself due to movement of the earth relative to the stationary positions of the heavenly bodies will it be possible for the communities along the narrow parallels of the equator observe not one but 2 scorching moons every 6 months when the sun moves up and down between the notherthern and southern tropics of cancer and capricorn?
Please elaborate as I need to decide when to fast?If you are nearer to the tropic of cancer then the scorching full moon would be with the northern hemisphere. If you are nearer to the tropic of capricon then the scorching full moon would be with the southern hemisphere. I think that if you are exactly on the equator then you have the choice to fast either with the northern or the southern hemispheres.
Peace,
Ayman
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- Why the summer solstice?
Hint 1712 and 2185
Hint use online Classical Arabic dictionary http//www.baheth.info/index.jsp to look up the meaning for key words such as "shahr" and "ramadan" and confirm which meaning best fits in the context given the above passages.- What was the motive to mess up the timing of the restriction after the death of the prophet?
Hint 936-37, 51, 594-96.
Also, when you check http//www.baheth.info/index.jsp for the meaning of "ramadan" see how some derived meanings relate to hunting.Please present your answers when you are ready. If you don't want to present them now then that is fine too and I hope that in the future you will.
I hope this helps.
Peace,
Ayman
Salaam Ayman
Thank you for the hints above, today I sat down and read again the debate in this thread between you Marie and Zenje and others. Before I started reading I made sure I do not have any preconceived notions and I also read the hints u recommended and it is very convincing, but there comes a point where all the eloquence of that discussion fades away and very valid questions from the Qur?an come to mind.
Here is what you said earlierThis is why the passage says "whoever amongst you witnessed". Implied in this is that some amongst you would not witness this cosmic phenomenon but fasting is only obligated on those who did.
a-I beleive there is deeper meaining in 'those amongst you who witnessed?.
My questions to you is if what you say above is ture than this verse gives me freedom not to fast, just as a blind person is exempted.
The verse only says ?those amongst you who witnessed?; there is no command that I should make any effort to witness Let?s say I was too busy or preferred blogging on my computer and did not go out to witness the scorching moon; in that case I would not be obliged to fast and could get away with no fasting.b- I see that you carry the image of the scorching full moon on your avatar as you reminded me
As for an online sighting of the scorching full moon, look at my avatar on the left side of your screen.
You seem to hold the sighting of this event as an important part of belief, whereas nowhere in the Quran are we asked to make any effort to witness it. I am sorry I'm not accusing you of anything but the importance you give to seeing this cosmic phenomenon is similar to these
More than 30,000 summer solstice revellers refused to let a chilly, wet morning dampen their spirits as they welcomed the longest day of the year.
The solstice, also known as the pagan festival of Litha, attracts people from across the country and has been celebrated for centuries.
Stonehenge was constructed so the rising sun only reached the middle of the stones for just one day of the year.
Pagans believe the summer solstice marks the marriage between the sun and the earth. In astronomical terms, it marks the day when the planet is most tilted towards the sun and produces the longest period of daylight of the year in the northern hemisphereI am here to learn and would be looking forward to your convincing evidence to my points above and would welcome any frank discussion.
peace
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Peace Samia,
Also, please notice that the moon is described as measured in "manazil". From its etymology, I don't think that the word "manajil" simply means stages. NZL also has the connotation of something going down. So the cycle is described as starting with the moon "descending/going down in stages". Of course, it can only "descend" from the full-moon stage.
Peace,
Ayman
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I still do not know how to properly use the dictionary you suggested bur I understand "manajil" means stages towards a goal/ ascending/ stages towards a manjil.
Please correct me if I am wrong I welcome contribution from everyone here.
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Peace all,
Another point I would like to share with you; The following is a Quotion from Ayman 4 years ago
Sister, you ignore that you are starting to count 4 "periods" from "ramadan", so according to you the hunting restriction is early fall-winter. Where I am in the Northern Hemisphere, fall is deer hunting season because that is when they are the most plentiful. Hence, your preservation of land-game argument is not factual.
As you can note Rammadan is the begining of 4 restricted Months. Thus according to Ayman, if Rammadan Moon starts in June 15 (solistic Moon), then the end of the 4 restricted Months would be in about October 15. In this time according to Ayman would be Fall time.
Now let us explore the following
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A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Messenger to those of the pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances. (1) Go ye, then for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him. (2) And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the pagans. If, then ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith. (3) (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those pagans with whom Ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term for Allah loveth the righteous. (4) But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (9-5)
As you can note the war would start after October 15--Fall Time and not in the heat of Summer time.
Now read the following, from the same Chapter
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Those who were left behind rejoiced in their inaction behind the back of the Messenger of Allah they hated to strive and fight with their goods and their persons, in the Cause of Allah they said "Go not forth in the heat. Say "The fire of Hell is fiercer in heat." If only they could understand! (9-81)
Now is the period after October 15 Hot or should be...Mild or Cold? Or Maybe it was Global Warming? confused
Peace