How Mary (pbuh) had a son with NO MAN! Finally Clarified
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Salam,
I think Mohammad Shaikh, topic is interesting (thanks to peace4life for posting it )
Many thanks
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Now once you have finished from the videos people ... here is an article example with pics
http//www.angelfire.com/ca2/BornHermaphrodite/?ref=webkizi.com
Does he or she had a child?? A human hermaphrodite usually barren...
From the Quran
And remember/mention in The Book Mary when she distantly isolated herself from her family/relation (to) an easterly/eastern place/position.
So she took from other than them a divider/protection , so We sent to her Our Soul/Spirit , so he simulated/represented to her (as an) upright/average human.
'I seek refuge with The Most Beneficent from you, if you do fear Him.'
said 'I am only a Messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son.'
She said'How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, nor am I unchaste?'
He said 'So (it will be), your Lord said 'That is easy for Me And to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a mercy from Us (from God)', and it is a matter (already) decreed (by God).' "
(Quran 1916-21)Nowadays, nobody will calls a 'virgin' giving birth as miracle...
We can do it using 'artificial insemination', you seed the female egg with sperm outside of the body.. (in a lab environment)
And implant the seeded egg to the female host.
no copulation needed, thus vagina 'virginity' is not broken. although some surgery on the female host belly might be needed.Salam / Peace
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Peace,
The question is then still, what function would this rare natural phenomena have for the people in her time and for us now?
This is why I am sceptic. Isa was as Adama, all of Mankind, the Qur'an says.
Salaam
This is a very intresting view, but he the speaker in the video, also said that there were and still are many women with this condition, but only she (maryam) had a son and no other was able to have... is this part true...then it would mean that Allah obviously had (pre determine) interviened it this case... was it to enlighten people that this was part of his creation (a women with 2 sexes) but the people could not understand then...and now with people using thier reason can finally understand with evidence...this is surely guidence.
Sorry to use The bible but it was the first thing that came to mind.
1612 I have yet many things to say - Concerning my passion, death, resurrection, and the consequences of it. But ye cannot bear them now - Both because of your littleness of faith, and your immoderate sorrow.
1717 O faithless and perverse generation. How long shall I suffer you? Bear with your shortcomings.
These 2 quotes...allude to him trying to reveal much to them at that time but they were not RESONBABLE
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According to my understanding of the matter the sending of messenger in shape of man is the answer. science may not know now but with the passage of time test tube babies technology can reach to that point that seed may be inserted without any surgery. The two sex theory can be applicable but then that may also need some kind of human help (not sexually) to produce a baby. we may be able to know in the future but i don't see any difference between both the ways because in both the ways virginity remains intact.
359
Literal
That Jesus' example at God (is) as Adam's example, (He) created him from dust/earth then He said to him "Be." So he became.
Free_Minds
The example of Jesus with God is similar to that of Adam; He created him from dust, then He said to him "Be" and he was.
Khalifa
The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.Now my understanding regarding verse 359 is that God is telling us that Adam is created similarly as Adam which in other words can be that God first creation is Women and from women created the man. Not as told by most of the religions.
Regards.
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Peace,
The question is then still, what function would this rare natural phenomena have for the people in her time and for us now?
This is why I am sceptic. Isa was as Adama, all of Mankind, the Qur'an says.
Salaam Arnold Yasin and all,
I think there are two things that we should consider instead of asking what function, the reason and the purpose.
What is the reason?
We cannot reason with God as we do not have same standard of knowledge as He possesses and that is why we are reminded if only we knew.
What is the purpose?
But as for purpose we are supposed to contemplate on that
3191 (Such men and women of understanding keep reflecting upon how Allah?s Laws operate in the Universe.) Standing, sitting, and reclining, they observe, and reflect upon Allah's creation of the Heavens and the Earth and wonder, "Our Lord! You have not created all this without Purpose. High Above You are from creating anything in vain! Save us, then, from being negligent in attaining knowledge and thus, getting condemned to Fire (as our rationality is burned away).?^ The "Allah knows best" rhetoric doesn't help when it comes to having a meaningful discussion...
If we relay on one person's theory than we are not among those in 391. So the best thing we can do is to invite all the brilliant minds on this forum and then unite and have a meaningful discussion, work towards finding the answer.
Therefore if we start from the story of the wife of Imran, and reflect; 335 Behold! a WOMAN of 'Imran said "O my Lord! I do dedicate unto Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service So accept this of me For Thou hearest and knowest all things."
Why was only the wife of Imran mentioned and why was not Imran, her husband, joined in offering to dedicate the child? I can?t remember which verse number, but it's about a man covering a woman and then she carries the child and both parents pray for the child. (sorry fasting)
However here its only the mother who is offering the dedication to God. After the birth of a female the family ancestry breaks Imran loses claim on the family lineage.
575 Christ the son of Mary was no more than an apostle; many were the apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a WOMAN of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!
And as we see from now on it is only 'Jesus son of Mary', why?
peace
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Quran does not addresses anyone with fathers son or name of father anywhere in Quran. In my understanding this is because the first creation was women and we are all technically are son/daughter of women. Kindly point to me if i am wrong in my understanding.
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Quran does not addresses anyone with fathers son or name of father anywhere in Quran. In my understanding this is because the first creation was women and we are all technically are son/daughter of women. Kindly point to me if i am wrong in my understanding.
Women alone cannot conceive, except through cloning, but then the result will be a copy of her..a female.
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Dear Samia,
i have not talked about conceiving in this post. About conceiving i have given my understanding which was Posted on September 12, 2008, 084308 PM.
Regards.
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Peace be upon you all,
The stories in the messages from God are metaphors. They speak of human psychology.
There is a "Mary" in all of us, it is the feminine in us all that must bring for the WIll(Isa).
When we are born, we learn by imitation (following what our fathers followed), but there comes a time when one must give birth to the WILL(Isa) and start to discriminate and discern. The problem in life is that most people follow indescriminately. Why else would so many people smoke cigarrettes, do crack, wear pants hanging of thier butts, vote for George Bush, etc.
There has to come a time when we cut from these blind traditions ...
Mention in the scripture Mary, she isolated herself from her family, into an eastern location. ...While a barrier (hijab) separated her from them, we sent to her our Spirit. He went to her in the form of a human being .
and that is when we can give birth to the WILL(Isa/Jesus).
Jesus is the Hero of the story, always has been since this story was first recorded and his name was Heru (which is where the word Hero comes from). Incidentally, the greeks changed it to Horus.
It is all of our jobs to bring forth the Christ within before we die as foolish followers.
It is the developed WILL that follows God's WILL that is given strength from the Life Force(Holy Spirit)....the Divine Energy that is needed to carry out righteousness.
This talk of two sexes combined or whatever that guy on youtube was talking about is nonsense, respectfully.
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kyle dude how you keepin man?
anyways i just wanted to say that there would be no genetic variance in a hermaphrodite who managed to self breed... thus i would infer that the child would be inbred, highly unlikely to be able to use a spoon let alone be a vessel for the word
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Why not go straight to the point and say she got married, instead of all these far fetched theories? After all, she was never addressed as "virgin", and as Yasin says, what is the wisdom behind a virgin mother for us except that (nowadays) her husband is semi impotent? And why marriage suddenly becomes not acceptable for the purified? The verse says "Mary who "ahsanat farajaha" not "hafazat farajaha". The other word from the root "Haa Saad Nuun" used in the qur'aan is the participle "muHSanaat", whatever it means, but closely related to marriage.
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Peace be upon you Samia,
what is the wisdom behind a virgin mother for us except that (nowadays) her husband is semi impotent?
No wisdom at all, exactly. However there is no wisdom if she had a husband either, is there? The wisdom is in the understanding of the nafs(subconcious) and how to get away from the traditional conditioning of the majority, to seperate from that and connect with wise counsel , someone who will plant the correct seeds in your mind which will give birth to the right ideas. Behavior shaping psychology is the topic of this message, when we keep that in mind the message becomes clearer.