Is Alcohol Haraam?
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Hello,
I'd like to know if alcohol is haraam. I know that there are different opinions about this amoung those who follow just the Quran. I'd like to read some of them please.Thanks!
In them is great harm, and a benifit for the people, but there harm is greater than there benifit.
I do not find in what is inspired to me forbbiden except that it already be dead, or blood, or the meat of pig, for it is foul. Or what was corruptly dedicated to other than God.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596774.msg172940#msg172940
peace
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? O you who believe! Truly, intoxicants and gambling and divination by arrows are an abomination of Satan's doing avoid it in order that you may be successful * Assuredly Satan desires to sow enmity and hatred among you with intoxicants and gambling, and to hinder you from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. Will you not then desist?? (590-91)
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? O you who believe! Truly, intoxicants and gambling and divination by arrows are an abomination of Satan's doing avoid it in order that you may be successful * Assuredly Satan desires to sow enmity and hatred among you with intoxicants and gambling, and to hinder you from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. Will you not then desist?? (590-91)
By what is the "it" in avoid it? It did not say avoid them, so the "it" could be something else like Satan
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Another thing is " in" them is sin. i do not find were "it is" a sin to drink. There is sin in it ( can lead to sin, ect...), but I do not find that drinking is a sin...?
Example the Quran tells us that adultry is a sin and bad path. But it doesnt say that " in" adultry is sin, but it says that adulrty is sin.
peace
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Another thing is " in" them is sin. i do not find were "it is" a sin to drink. There is sin in it ( can lead to sin, ect...), but I do not find that drinking is a sin...?
Example the Quran tells us that adultry is a sin and bad path. But it doesnt say that " in" adultry is sin, but it says that adulrty is sin.
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Good point
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it's not actually prohibited. and it doesn't just talk about alcohol, rather all intoxicants, which covers a lot of ground. a job can be intoxicating, food, sex, watching movies, internet and alcohol yes... but all those things are not prohibited, it's the 'intoxicating' part that we should stay away from. if you don't get drunk from alcohol or if the rest of intoxicants i listed there don't really cloud your mind and take you away from remembering God... then that's no harm.
but if any of those things stand in a way of you being a good muslim and benefiting the world and your own self then that's bad, but it don't mean you should not stay away from those things, just don't let them take control of you, don't let them cloud your mind.
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peace all,
The translation of 590-91 was discussed in detail in the past and the conclusion was that the "avoid it" refers to "satan".
Also, the specific word "haraam" is not associated with intoxicants, however it is labelled as an "abomination". If I recall correctly, the Arabic is "rijsun", and I strongly recommend researching what other things are called "rijsun" and you will see they are significant. I believe brothers Arnold or Edip wrote about this.
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Hello, I'd like to know if alcohol is haraam. I know that there are different opinions about this among those who follow just the Quran. I'd like to read some of them please. Thanks!
If you assume that the word HARAM is the only magical word to prohibit something, then according to the Quran, idol worship is not haram, lying and cheating is not haram, either.
Let me answer the question in a style that fits the question
Why should the consumption of alcohol be prohibited? The Quran repeatedly praises the importance of using one's intelligence and logic, and we all know that consumption of alcohol makes people sharper and smarter. Similarly, the Quran instructs us to avoid gossip, vain talk, extra marital affair, etc, and it is a well known fact that drinking alcoholic beverages makes a person avoid them. Besides, alcohol is healthy for your heart, and especially for your liver. It also reduces the risk of cancer and work related accidents. It is also documented that those who drink regularly reduces the chance of domestic abuse, divorce and traffic accidents. Furthermore, alcoholics do not start as moderate users; they start drinking it in gallons just to become alcoholics.
So my dear friend. Since the magical word HARAM is not used for alcohol, and since alcohol has great health, economic and social benefits, you should enjoy it. Cheers yay
Peace,
Edip -
If you assume that the word HARAM is the only magical word to prohibit something, then according to the Quran, idol worship is not haram, lying and cheating is not haram, either.
Let me answer the question in a style that fits the question
Why should the consumption of alcohol be prohibited? The Quran repeatedly praises the importance of using one's intelligence and logic, and we all know that consumption of alcohol makes people sharper and smarter. Similarly, the Quran instructs us to avoid gossip, vain talk, extra marital affair, etc, and it is a well known fact that drinking alcoholic beverages makes a person avoid them. Besides, alcohol is healthy for your heart, and especially for your liver. It also reduces the risk of cancer and work related accidents. It is also documented that those who drink regularly reduces the chance of domestic abuse, divorce and traffic accidents. Furthermore, alcoholics do not start as moderate users; they start drinking it in gallons just to become alcoholics.
So my dear friend. Since the magical word HARAM is not used for alcohol, and since alcohol has great health, economic and social benefits, you should enjoy it. Cheers yay
Peace,
EdipThe same with money. Is money haram? Of course not. I mean have you ever heard anyone killing anyone over money? Of course not. Have you heard nations ever raiding and plundering other nations over money? No way. Have you ever seen people ever get greedy and miserly over money? Have you ever seen exploitation and corruption associated with money?
So go and enjoy money.
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peace all,
The translation of 590-91 was discussed in detail in the past and the conclusion was that the "avoid it" refers to "satan".
Also, the specific word "haraam" is not associated with intoxicants, however it is labelled as an "abomination". If I recall correctly, the Arabic is "rijsun", and I strongly recommend researching what other things are called "rijsun" and you will see they are significant. I believe brothers Arnold or Edip wrote about this.
Peace
May I use this thread to resurrect my thread on 1236 - Kh-Mim-Ra - pressing WINE?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16963.msg170209#msg170209
Roshan
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The same with money. Is money haram? Of course not. I mean have you ever heard anyone killing anyone over money? Of course not. Have you heard nations ever raiding and plundering other nations over money? No way. Have you ever seen people ever get greedy and miserly over money? Have you ever seen exploitation and corruption associated with money?
So go and enjoy money.
Thats a terrible similtude because all those instances of money are actually forbidden. Also money is a noun and drinking is verb - can't forbid a noun.
If you can be "reponsible" and "moderate" with drinking I'll be "resposible" and "moderate" with killing and greeding over money.
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peace all,
The translation of 590-91 was discussed in detail in the past and the conclusion was that the "avoid it" refers to "satan".
Also, the specific word "haraam" is not associated with intoxicants, however it is labelled as an "abomination". If I recall correctly, the Arabic is "rijsun", and I strongly recommend researching what other things are called "rijsun" and you will see they are significant. I believe brothers Arnold or Edip wrote about this.
I think the "avoid it" refers to the "rijsun" which is the deed of satan. (Intoxicants, gambling and divination by arrows are abomination "rijsun" of satan's doing, so avoid "this rijs". Isn't "rijs" forbidden? Aren't the deeds of satan forbidden? If you answer yes, then we are given some kinds of this "rijs", of which is intoxicants.
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peace samia,
If I recall correctly, it was discussed linguistically and it meant "avoid it/him" and it was taken to mean avoid "satan". Can you give us the theoretical possibilities according to the Arabic?
I agree from an understanding point of view, one would avoid "satan" by avoiding what "he" promotes. My comment on the verse was purely academic.
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How would you complete this sentence
"Promoting what you do not believe in, promising and not fulfilling or pretending what you are not are the behaviour of the hypocrite ; so
1-avoid it
2-avoid himThis is the same with this verse.
Secondly, and from a linguistic point of view "min 3amali alshaiTaan" is a phrase working as an adjective for "rijs". There is no logic in seperating part of the adjective (al-shaitaan) and dropping the remaining part of the phrase, ( min 3amali) together with the main noun (rijs) and consider that the pronoun concers only the secondary part.
