Oral Debate between Ayman and Edip...
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Peace be upon you,
Fantastic...remember there is no arguing(jidala) in the debate(hajj).
How does one get into these sites you are talking about, I want to listen.
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Nothing good will come of this because neither one thinks that the other one could be right. Niether Ayman nor Edip will learn anything. Maybe the ones listening will, but there are already over 2000 posts on the forum telling us what they both think.
I honestly think that whether the code 19 exists or not is meaningless. The fact remains that even if it did exist it would serve no real purpose.
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What do you think?
Peace,
EdipSalaam,
How sad, one carries the avator code, 19 and the other the scorching moon; two brilliant minds wasting time on a debate in order to win followers. Valuable time is spent on advocating theories rather than pondering the many signs of God. '(peace
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hahaha I think it's irrelevant. full stop.
Instead of making fun of it we should learn code 19 and spread this code of God so that this world becomes a more peaceful place. Positive thinking always helps.
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Peace be upon you,
What can 19 do for me?
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Now you believe in man made quran, once you believe in 19 you would believe in the real quran which is God made the one without the last two verses of chapter 9 elhamdulillah. So basically you would come to the straight path after. All praise to God. Our Lord always increase us in knowledge!
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Peace to all,
well Rasul, I already believe the Quran is from God so what will code 19 do for me? And lets assume we remove the last two verse of chapter 9 , so what does that achieve, it changes nothing does it, the verse neither take nor add to the Quran in my opinion. Everytime I read the verses now they dont sound quite right to me and I used to think maybe they dont belong, but the more we discuss it the more i think its only because we are focussing on those two verses that they are not sounding like they fit.
AS for the code 19, it really changes nothing for me, and maybe for others it will help them believe in God, which would be a good thing, so go for it. Godspeed to both brothers Ayman and Edip, I would love to watch the debate.
Kurt
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Peace I was unsure if Rasul was sarcastic, but its obvious now. laugh As God says, the sick at heart will say
"what could God mean by this description?"
It serves no purpose focussing on it and it detracts attention from what the Message is really about. Peace be upon anyone who focuses on forming patterns by simply looking for them - with no previous instruction or necessity to look for them - to each their own, they'll return to God, all alone.
Peace
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If the Quran is God's word, and if the same Quran contains a verse "On it Nineteen" and explains the its role in powerful words to distinguish the acknowledging people from hypocrites and ingrates, and distinguish the progressives from the regressive ones, then it is beyond me to understand those who deem it irrelevant or unimportant. Especially, after learning that the first and the most repeated verse of the Quran has exactly 19 letters and the number of chapters in the Quran 114 too is multiple of this number, and many more simple facts that can be easily verified and many complex facts that can be studied.
Just these facts alone should be sufficient for any reasonable person to stop and reflect. However, the very diverse reaction people have against this code itself is a fulfillment of the prophecy.
You cannot escape from it. In fact, 19 is stamped in your brains. Our brains work on EXACTLY on 19 Rules of Inference. The list of this 19 Rules is on the cover of America's most popular logic textbook, which I too use in my symbolic logic classes.
Whenever I challenge those who ignorantly reject and mock this great sign, by claiming that they already believe in the Quran, I learn that their faith is also based on a number. Yet, the only number that is being rejected by the very Quran The number of people around them! They ignore the divinely designed numerical structure of the Quran, and yet they follow the crowd for their guidance.
"God has counted everything in numbers!" (722.
Oral debate inshallah will help those who are sincerely seeking the truth of the matter. I have no hope for those who are well described by
7146 I will divert from My signs those who are arrogant on earth unjustly, and if they see every sign they do not acknowledge it, and if they see the path of guidance they do not take it as a path; and if they see the path of straying, they take it as a path. That is because they have denied Our signs and were heedless of them.
Peace,
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"God has counted everything in numbers!" (722.
rotfl Everything is not restricted to counts of 19. Perhaps God should have created 19 Arabized Muslims.7146 I will divert from My signs those who are arrogant on earth unjustly, and if they see every sign they do not acknowledge it, and if they see the path of guidance they do not take it as a path; and if they see the path of straying, they take it as a path. That is because they have denied Our signs and were heedless of them.
Numbers are invention by man, not a sign from God. -
Salaam,
How sad, one carries the avator code, 19 and the other the scorching moon; two brilliant minds wasting time on a debate in order to win followers. Valuable time is spent on advocating theories rather than pondering the many signs of God. '(peace
most of the posts on this forum are dedicated to debating and advocating various theories though. i thought that was the point.
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most of the posts on this forum are dedicated to debating and advocating various theories though. i thought that was the point.
Salaam dc2,
This is what it says on top of this forum About us a forum for monotheists, and discussion of Islam based on The Quran. As a result of a discussion you learn and contribute, where as the debate it?s about two parties, set in their ways, not budging from their stand point. This dispute is more like two US presidential hopefuls trying to win voters.
peace
