the nazarenes who wasnt there
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Peace,
If you want you can PM your mail, i got some books on the sun-cult also that are interresting.
Peace
I did. im looking forward...gimme gimme ;D
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I'm not at home now, but i'll send it tonight Godwilling. I also have a book on the influences of the Church on Archeology to make them coincide with the Biblical myths, very interresting....
But i didn't hear you say please.....
P.S. can you give me the titles of the books you work with, and also are these the only professional works you have read on this subject?
Peace
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peace...puleaaase!! yay
I often find scholars that interrest me, and then check them out for a while, while confirming the facts they point at. The more i can confirm the more weight i give their theories. One of my favorites is Jordan Maxwell. He has a very high rate of truths, but the stuff i cant confirm is so nuts, i think it puts most people of.
An example. Jordan claims that most of what we see as relegion today is based upon the worship of saturn and the heavens. And this is symbolised through all relegion one way or the other. all relegions based on judaism anyway. Well, he did say anyone should spend time with the jedeic refference works, found only in the main centers of judaism. not in the libraries and faculties ?!
Well, as said, so done. LO and behold these refference works does excist, and they are (alltho i only spend time checking out his facts for now) saying what he says. And one can only conclude what he did. Saturnism, or EL worship is a major part of today relegions. The black cube in mecca, nuns in black, prists in black. On top of it i find Maxwell to stand out as a God fearing individual always promoting God alone from a Biblical viewpoint (he is not christian). This has done that on certain subjects, i will take his "word for it".Acharya S. As i said, controversial. Coloured by her extreme hate to relegion, and therefore she often "cut corners". She is still in possesion of sound reasoning, interresting theories and she altso belive in God. She says she doesnt but keep arguing that the god person of relegions is a joke and then talks about a spiritual concept no different from what i think we share. A long way down the line i will take her words for it.
Michael tsarion. A total screwball but is knowledge on symbolism is only matched by heavyweights like maxwell. Thus there is a lot to learn from his symbology stuf. But i find his case about atlantis and aliens ridiculous. Interresting but ridiculous. His material on Ireland and its actual palce in world history is very very interresting. I am stil going through sources, so i dont know if this is for the woo woo basket or is actual great scholarship.
Most of the scholars i like are controversial, and often looked down upon by "the educated" scholars. But what these faculty idiots tend to forget. Is that they all have the same material avaible. The controversial ones just refuse to have canons dictate what they are to make of it. And all scientists who think like that, is not part of the cool crowd.
relegion and modern law is connected, so i have spend time with Blacks law dictionary. Especually before the introduction of weasel words in around 1900. Interresting stuff that. I am a concordance whore, i love em. And spend a lot of time with strongs. And wish a similar thing had been done with the Quran.
To list all the books is not possible. But the last books has been strongs, and blacks. These are some heavy works, and doesnt invite to reading for hours on end. Altso maxwells, "that old time relegion".
The reason i use scholars like that is that there is no reason for me to spend 40 years reading the same material as they did. But if im in doubt of the creditability of the information, i will investigate it myself. Scholars be they from faculties or selvtaught are just humans, and therefor personal oppinion will always add flavour to each individuals works.
But i can compile a list for you with scholars that are worth checking out, and then take it from there. Go to the library and get the books they tell about, wich i ahve done several times, to fact check. And found similar litterature to see if there is flavouring inolved.
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Peace,
There conclusions will not surprise me as i also don't believe in ritual religion. The Quran doesn't promote that. And yes, a lot of ancient symbolism we can see in the clothes and symbols of all religions, this is logical as they can only talk in the language they inherited from their ancestors, they are to blind to see that. But that is also the danger in judging if these people also worship saturnus because they use saturnus symbols. The symbols got new meanings over time, so that is why i'm carefull with linking them so fast with certain idol-worship. The symbols for one idol-worship are taken over by other idol-worshippers.
I have similair conclusions on the origins of religions, that is why i study Theology. And most of my teachers are people who are not the typical scholar. They don't care what other scholars say and that is why i like them and they me. So i know and don't care what other scholars think about these people, i judge them by their work, not on their 'reputation'.
Peace
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peace
not so much the symbol itself, those take different shapes. rather what it represents seems to be consistent. Darkness, control, illusion etc. so this cult adds a few bells and whistels, and that cult removes some. The main theme being the same all the way through. So when i see the symbol used, by people who behave accordingly to its meaning. I know who im dealing with.
Many of these symbols are altso popular becasue they look good, plain and simple. So when i see a pyramid as the logo of a new youth brand of street wear, made by former professional skaters. I know they just like that its cool, and like the positive side of the symbol of the pyramid. But when i see it on Arco, knowing who are behind them and what kind of screwball mythology they are into. i know excactly what the symbol imples. This is the litmus test.
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Yes, i use the same technique...
And i'm a skateboarder myself
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Yes, i use the same technique...
And i'm a skateboarder myself
lol, i used to skateboard aswell ;D
When i research i tend to try and get an overall view, and have no problem seing the occult,relegious, political connections, but i lack some in the details department, that is just not my strength. This is why the best research i have ever been part of was with people who are experts on details and i know that some of the stuff has blown people out of their shoes.
By doing excactly what we are doing here, a decipline that i love. I present an overall idea of something as from the understanding that i have gained so far. And then the people who are masters of the details challenge it on all points. This form the basis of a theory, that you then take to other researchers, and challenge theirs, keeping it to the facts avaible at all times, and what can be concidered sound reasoning. E.g the symbolism we talked about. If we see one people sunworshipping and facsist, and another with the excact same behaviour and symbols. It is reasonable to suggest that some exchange of concepts had taken place, even though no artifacts are found as hard evidence. Unless ofcourse we want to take the theory of the 100th monkey syndrome for quranic truth.You need to be part of some of the places where its happening, like www.gnosticmedia.com dont let their private conviction scare you. The points is not proving one relegion right, in fact, most keep quiet about their relegion under the slogan "dont bring football and politics to the pub". I know these guys, and where you can take it from there will have your interrest.
peace
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altso
when you have 3 hours to spare. try and take a look at this as an introduction maxwell. http//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7369235799556462483
My introduction to him is as follows
Jordan Maxwell is a strange fish. he is notoriously known in ufology circles, but altso in more acedemic connections like i.r.e.s on theology and the occult. To watch a maxwell lesson requires one to be on his marks. Maxwell is all over the place, reciting from memory often associated wrongly (but always quoted correct). In fact, i fint that watching him is a bit like making sense of the Quran, not that i give him equal credit mind you. But he can go on about saturn, to suddenly shift into nazism, the catholic church, God, american patriotism and Astrology in the same paragraph. so rather than just, what i wrongly did to begin with, cast him aside as a confused old man. Look up his facts. often you dont need to pay attention to what source he gives you, rather, search the information he said and find out where it came from. On a personal level maxwell is a warm character, and he is highly offended that we have been quote "taken over by stupidity and ill informed relegious philosophy" and this sometimes wind him up in rants that makes you laugh your guts out, especially because it so obviously comes form the heart. If there is something he says that makes absolutely no sense in your world. write him a letter or give him a phone call. He always replies and gives his reasons as to why he say any specific thing, and then you can agree to it or not. -
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And the reason for that this Yoshua is not really recorded in the Talmud is because the Jews after the descturction of the Temple in 70AD blamed the Essenes(=Nazarenes=Zadokhites=Maccabees) to be the source of rebbelion which created their outcast of Jerusalm by the Romans. This is why the Jews made the canon of Jewish writing and casted anything non-hebrew out of the writings. They erased any trace with the Nazarenes and with Jesus as they were seen as the curse that caused the desctruction of their precious Temple. Because of this rebellion against the Romans, Jews were forbidden to enter Jerusalem and were only allowed back in when Omar took Jerusalem. It is because of the Muslims that the Jews were allowed again in Jerusalem, well isn't that funny!
I find Yasin's analysis very interesting. I would like to add/emphasize the following points
- It is a well known fact that Essenes wore VERY noticeably "White Garments"!
Josephus emphasized this observable fact
"After which they assemble themselves together again into one place; and when they have clothed themselves in white veils, they then bathe their bodies in cold water."
- Flavius Josephus, War of the Jews, II, VIII, Sn 5
See also http//www.essene.org/Essene_Activities.htm
Quran
352 So when Jesus felt their rejection, he said ?Who are my supporters to God?? Al-Hawariun(ن said ?We are God?s supporters, we believe in God and we bear witness that we have submitted.?
Al-Hawariun is mostly translated in English ?disciples?, which is another faulty assumption; this is why pure literal translation is best with no pre-conceived assumptions.
So what does Al-Hawariun(ن mean? Al-Hawariun ?the Hawariun?
From Arabic root( ر ?Haa-Waw-Raa?
Which meaning those that make clothes white by washing/whitening..
- Another thing that comes to mind is the location of Qumran, it is to the east of Jerusalem and close to the dead sea.
Quran
1916 And relate in the Scripture Mary, when she withdrew herself from her family to a place which was to the east.
Couldn't be this another clue in Quran on the place Mary delivered Jesus?
- Yet another clue
We know that Mary delivered her baby under a palm tree, I have been to Jerusalem and Dead Sea area several times, you can only find palm trees in the Dead Sea area and not in Jerusalem, i am sure there are now few palm trees in Jerusalem but it is not it's natural environment, but in dead sea/ Jericho area guess what is the main trees there? Palm trees.
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Yes, that is correct. You can read more on this here
http//www.amazon.com/Changing-Faces-Jesus-Geza-Vermes/dp/0140265244/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222789214&sr=1-6
http//www.amazon.com/Jesus-Empire-Kingdom-World-Disorder/dp/080063490X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222789173&sr=1-1
http//www.amazon.com/Magdalene-Legacy-Bloodline-Conspiracy-Revelations/dp/1578634032/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222789148&sr=1-1
http//www.amazon.com/James-Brother-Jesus-Unlocking-Christianity/dp/014025773X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222789132&sr=1-2
http//www.amazon.com/Jesus-Jew-Historians-Reading-Gospels/dp/0800614437/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222789214&sr=1-3