-=[ Salaat Al Wusta is Salaat al Juma ]=-
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Peace Farida,
What God Within is saying is that ANYONE can prostrate physically. As you said, bending down to pick up a dropped object is not the same as bending down "before god." The difference obviously is your mental state. That's the difference between you and those "bearded actors."
The point is, what's important is the mental state, and the physical prostration is not important at all because it is meaningless. If prostration helps you then you can do it, but there is no evidence that physical prostration means anything. -
Peace be upon you AW,
Is that what the verse says? Physically and mentally huh?
You might not be able to see them PHYSICALLY prostrate? Or are you AGAIN being shown that the prostration is not physical, but WITHIN?
And may peace be upon you,
Define prostrate. If you are certain.
And we believe in all of it. We believe in what was sent to you and in what was sent to us, and our God and your God is the same, and to Him we submit.
And yes, you cannot recognize them by their looks. But you can recognize them by their speech.
And from the night you shall prostrate. ( what does that mean? If you know? )
Prostrate Voluntary or by froce...
And note that you are the one who is making God an object. We never " claimed" that He was an object...But He is standing over every soul for what it has earned, and He is aware of all things...And He is watching what you all do...
peace
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Peace be upon you Farida,
I wish we could have continues to logically debate the issue, but once it goes to attacks I realize that the other has no more argument to stand on, so its best to say "Peace" and maybe we can pick it up again another time.
Just realize that a forum is a place to work out the truth and that is only done through logical debate....those who follow truth need not worry because the truth proves itself.
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Peace be upon you Lobster,
What God Within is saying is that ANYONE can prostrate physically. As you said, bending down to pick up a dropped object is not the same as bending down "before god." The difference obviously is your mental state. That's the difference between you and those "bearded actors."
The point is, what's important is the mental state, and the physical prostration is not important at all because it is meaningless. If prostration helps you then you can do it, but there is no evidence that physical prostration means anything.Yes its very simple and clear, Farida gives her(?) own answer but cant see it.
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Peace be upon you AW,
Define prostrate
Prostrate- stretched out with face on the ground in adoration or submission ; also lying flat
That is the definition and no one is debating that, but what you must understand is that the God does not shy from using similitudes/metaphors. This entire message is filled with metaphors. For example all the discussion of being at war, how useful is war discussion to you in your life? Do you really need battle information? Or is it the inner struggle of the Divine in you vs. the animal(emotional nature) within you?
When we are told to prostrate to God....it is not about getting on the ground to bend down in front of God, because as you agreed, God is not an object, so logically, one cannot physically prostrate to God. And as Farida has pointed out, the act of getting down is useless WITHOUT the mental
"prostration", and that is the obediance to God's will, that is to CHOOSE right over wrong. -
People say that prostration is useless... But dont it say in quran that the prostration increases ones humility?
peace
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People say that prostration is useless... But dont it say in quran that the prostration increases ones humility?
peace
Me dont know the exact passage, and the passage may have been talking about something else, so I dont know.... )
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Peace be upon you AW,
I dont know the passage either but lets say it does say that, its still referring to mental prostration....
Do shoe salesmen appear more humble to you? They bend down a lot for thier jobs. There are many people right here in my neighborhood who prostrate way more than me, but humility is certanly not thier attribute. And we can go on and on with the same examples that we have gone over before. The proof is clear and out and the open for all to witness. So even go so far as to make scars on thier foreheads, does humility follow that from your observations?
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Peace all,
This is Jumal according to Quran.
When/were do we assemble for salat?
O you who believe, werever/whenever the prayers are called to on the holy day Friday, then run quickly towards Gods rememberance, and leave the doing buisness. That is best for you, if you are able. So, whenever the prayers are finished, then disperse in the land; and desire from Gods blessing. And mention God much, you might be succesful.
What time is the cogregational salat on Friday?
11114 And keep the salat on the sides of the day. On parts touching upon the night, not far from the night. Thus, the righteousness cancels the sins. This is a reminder to the praising.
1778 Keep the salat on the verge of sunset untill the nights blakness; and the dawn Quran. The dawn quran has been made official.
peace
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Peace be upon you,
This is Jumal according to Quran.
When/were do we assemble for salat?
Who says we have to assemble? The verse says that when it is time for salaat and you are assembeled, you must still maintain the salaat. The verse does not say you must assemble. Realize that there are people who know the truth and as long as you are kept in his corruption of God's message, they can control you. Again, there is no command to assemble, it is only warning you that when you are by yourself it is easy to salaat, but when you are in a group like at work or with friends at a party, etc....you find more reasons to put it off, but dont do that.
O you who believe, werever/whenever the prayers are called to on the holy day Friday, then run quickly towards Gods rememberance, and leave the doing buisness. That is best for you, if you are able. So, whenever the prayers are finished, then disperse in the land; and desire from Gods blessing. And mention God much, you might be succesful.
What time is the cogregational salat on Friday?
Jumah does not indicate a day of the week, it means "assembly"....so again, God is not saying that there is a meeting on fridays, God is saying even when assembled(jumah), you must stop and maintain salaat, wether by yourself or on a group, doesnt matter.
11114 And keep the salat on the sides of the day. On parts touching upon the night, not far from the night. Thus, the righteousness cancels the sins. This is a reminder to the praising.
1778 Keep the salat on the verge of sunset untill the nights blakness; and the dawn Quran. The dawn quran has been made official.
Salaat times are dawn and dusk, when day merges night and night merges day.