ARE WOMEN ALLOWED TO INITIATE DIVORCE?
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Please Al araf before babbling actully read the Quran. Also God is are lord and ruler wither we like it our not. God is my lord also. Also what pecular philosophes. You probably do not know what philosophy means. What issues did I bring that are not in Quran. Any body who has read Quran can verify that verse about women having similar or same rights against them. Any one whos read the Quran can verify that verse about marrige being a mercy to both spouces. Also anybody with knowledge of classical arabic can verify what I said concerning daraba. Before talking about Quran read it. How can you call yourself a muslim when you have not read Quran. Stop acting like a stupid useless idiot and read the Quran. Verify the veses I mentioned. Verify what I said about daraba. If you do not want to read the Quran and try to understand it go. This forum is for people who have read and are willing to reread Quran. It is for people who want to live by Quran.
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Please Al araf Pease re-read the Quran.
Also God is our lord and ruler.
God is my lord also. What do you mean by pecular philosophes?
What issues did I bring that are not in Quran?
Any body who has read Quran can verify that verse about women having similar or same rights against them. Any one whos read the Quran can verify that verse about marrige being a mercy to both spouces.
Also anybody with knowledge of classical arabic can verify what I said concerning daraba.
Please Verify the veses I mentioned. Verify what I said about daraba.
I read and am willing to reread Quran. It is for people who want to live by Quran.Peace L.Hu
Read how i edited your post.
Also im interested to know the method you study classical arabic because there are diffrent aproaches.Peace
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My rule is if it fits the context of a Quranic verse its a possibly meaning. Some advocate studying other semitic languages for the Quran. But I think thats far fected. To me Lanes Lexicon is the easist source. But I think Murfadat, Taj Al Arus and the Lisan are the best sources. I am currently trying to master them. But again Lanes is the easeist.
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salam l.hu.
My rule is if it fits the context of a Quranic verse its a possibly meaning. Some advocate studying other semitic languages for the Quran. But I think thats far fected. To me Lanes Lexicon is the easist source. But I think Murfadat, Taj Al Arus and the Lisan are the best sources.
look at how you present your statements
My rule is
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I think
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To me
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But I thinkThis is the problem I have with your methodology, it is based completely in your rules and opinions. I ask you, whom do you worship, yourself or allah?
allah had the torah recited in hebrew, the injeel recited in aramaic, the quran recited in arabic. anyone with an iota of knowledge about hijazi arabic knows arabic evolved from hebrew and aramaic. if arabic evolved from hebrew and aramaic, then the definitions of arabic words have their origins in hebrew and aramaic. this is not hard to comprehend.
there are far too many false definitions of arabic words, due to colloquial misuse, which occurs in any language. the only way to strip out the colloquialisms, and be true to the actual root origin of the word, is to know the root origin of the word. unless you grasp and implement this method, you will mislead yourself into a lack of understanding, and go down the wrong path. why would you want to go down the wrong path?
allah raises man by stages.
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If etymology be the rule men can not be "hysterical" in english. Also women can not "testify" on the basis of etymology. Women can not also on the basis of etymology be "virtuous". The reason why men can not be "hysterical" is because "hysterical" is derived from the Greek word for womb. Women can not testify since the words origin lies in the Roman practice of swearing on one's testes, and virtuous comes from "vir" meaning man. With that example etymology should not be the rule. Also your claim is wrong that hijazi arabic came from hebrew and aramiac. Please do not make such false claims, if you are truthful. You need to actully research. The claim you have made about hijazi arabic shows that you seriosly have not research this. Read Kees Verstagh. You also claim (atleast you seem to be claiming this) that colloquial difinitions are in classical dictionaries. Please before making your claims research them. Or else if you continue to make such claims this dicussion will continue to be useless. "This is the problem I have with your methodology, it is based completely in your rules and opinions". My freind what did Barmack ask me of. My methodology right. For discovering right meanings of Quranic arabic did Allah set up a methodology? Is the Quran a dictionary? Please I ask not in a mean way but in a nice way. Hit the books and analyes your ideas.
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If etymology be the rule men can not be "hysterical" in english. Also women can not "testify" on the basis of etymology. Women can not also on the basis of etymology be "virtuous". The reason why men can not be "hysterical" is because "hysterical" is derived from the Greek word for womb. Women can not testify since the words origin lies in the Roman practice of swearing on one's testes, and virtuous comes from "vir" meaning man. With that example etymology should not be the rule. Also your claim is wrong that hijazi arabic came from hebrew and aramiac. Please do not make such false claims, if you are truthful. You need to actully research. The claim you have made about hijazi arabic shows that you seriosly have not research this. Read Kees Verstagh. You also claim (atleast you seem to be claiming this) that colloquial difinitions are in classical dictionaries. Please before making your claims research them. Or else if you continue to make such claims this dicussion will continue to be useless. "This is the problem I have with your methodology, it is based completely in your rules and opinions". My freind what did Barmack ask me of. My methodology right. For discovering right meanings of Quranic arabic did Allah set up a methodology? Is the Quran a dictionary? Please I ask not in a mean way but in a nice way. Hit the books and analyes your ideas.
Peace,
Yes exactly so now im even more confused. I think before arguing with each other.
I think the sane thing to do is debate on the words so if we all agree with what the words mean then we can go from there.1424 Have you not seen how God puts forth the example that a good word is like a good tree, whose root is firm and whose branches are in the sky.
1426 And the example of a bad word is like a tree which has been uprooted from the surface of the Earth, it has nowhere to settle.The real words are going to be clear.
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salam l. hu. it is very disrespectful not to read what a person posts then to argue with them. hit the books yourself, the right books, not the wrong books. i wrote
This is the problem I have with your methodology
to which you reply
If etymology be the rule
i did not say etymology, i said methodology. why do you have a problem staying on the issue?
you then claim
Also your claim is wrong that hijazi arabic came from hebrew and aramiac. Please do not make such false claims, if you are truthful. You need to actully research. The claim you have made about hijazi arabic shows that you seriosly have not research this.
if you persist in demonstrating a lack of an ability to comprehend or research, you are lost. a simple search would have prevented you from making your ridiculous statements.
http//www.omniglot.com/writing/arabic.htmThe Arabic script evolved from the Nabataean Aramaic script. It has been used since the 4th century AD, but the earliest document, an inscription in Arabic, Syriac and Greek, dates from 512 AD... Arabic has also been written with the Hebrew, Syriac and Latin scripts.
i suggest you dispense with your irrelevant preoccupation with the greek language and roman practices. the quran is in large part its own dictionary, and the words that you cant find defined in the quran, you can find defined in the torah and injeel. i rely upon allah for my definitions, not error ridden claims of human beings.
allah is the teacher.
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I was not point by point replying to your post. You need to learn how to read. Also etyomology is your methodology. You said "the only way to strip out the colloquialisms, and be true to the actual root origin of the word, is to know the root origin of the word. unless you grasp and implement this method, you will mislead yourself into a lack of understanding, and go down the wrong path. why would you want to go down the wrong path". Thats your methodology. So dont claim i am not on the issue.
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salam l.hu. if you lack the intellectual skill to respond point by point to a post, you should find some other pastime.
if you cannot comprehend, that my criticism of your methodology, resorting to fallible dictionaries and lexicons, is not connected your alleged observation that i use etymology, then more so you need another pastime.
allah is the truth.
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I give up. People wont listen to reason.
Some people won't listen to reason, specially if it doesn't inflate their "male" delusions of having God in collusion with them. Some even think they know Arabic and then make ridiculous elementary mistakes in spite of it.
Take it on stride, L. hu, finally one knows not to expect what is not to be expected.
Salaam
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2229 A divorce may be twice, whereupon the marriage must either be resumed in fairness or dissolved in a goodly manner. And it is not lawful for you to take back anything of what you have ever given to your wives unless both have cause to fear that they may not be able to keep within the bounds set by God hence, if you have cause to fear that the two may not be able to keep within the bounds set by God, there shall be no sin upon either of them for what the wife may give up in order to free herself. These are the bounds set by God; do not, then, transgress them for they who transgress the bounds set by God-it is they, they who are evildoers!
Doesn't it say that she can divorce, in the above verse?
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salam l.hu. if you lack the intellectual skill to respond point by point to a post, you should find some other pastime.
if you cannot comprehend, that my criticism of your methodology, resorting to fallible dictionaries and lexicons, is not connected your alleged observation that i use etymology, then more so you need another pastime.
allah is the truth.
Maybe you need to spend your past and futuretime searching for the reason behind your methodolgy as you lack most sense, including common sense and the sense of justice.
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salam farida. i have seen your sense on other threads, nonsense.
justice, is allah's judgment wherein there is no error. only the unjust dispute, rant, and rage aginst the judgment of allah. i recall you ranting and raging when reminded of the judgment of allah. go your way.
allah is the truth.
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salam farida. i have seen your sense on other threads, nonsense.
allah is the truth.
May I remind you that your testimony, is rejected and you're due to receive 100 lashes for falsely accussing a beleiving woman of adultery.
justice, is allah's judgment wherein there is no error. only the unjust dispute, rant, and rage aginst the judgment of allah. i recall you ranting and raging when reminded of the judgment of allah. go your way.
Of course only the unjust dispute and you are among one of the most unjust that I have come across.
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May I remind you that your testimony, is rejected and you're due to receive 100 lashes for falsely accussing a beleiving woman of adultery. Of course only the unjust dispute and you are among one of the most unjust that I have come across.
Are you for real?.... )
Women are free to choose and make their own decisions in life, so ofcourse their allowed to initiate a divorce...Im not trying to advocate it...infact in some circumstances..where children are involved i can only imagine how difficult it may be...but it depends on how serious her reasons are for the breakup...but same goes for a man initiating divorce.
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salam jasmin. i accused no one of adultery, nor was it false, therefore faridas reply was nonsense.
farida admitted that a woman had a nikah, not got a talaq, got a divorce, then remarried. this is not an accusation, this is faridas voluntary admission of adultery. then farida got furious at being exposed of adultery by her own words and slandered me, when in fact she had condemned herself.
for you to join faridas slander, would condemn both you and farida to a hundred lashes. may allah be the judge of the truth between us.
Women are free to choose and make their own decisions in life, so ofcourse their allowed to initiate a divorce
either post the verse of the quran that says women are free to choose, and allowed to intitiate a divorce, or be condemned as a liar.
allah is the best of those who judge.