Number of wives?
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Only 1! There is no excuse/condition for having more than 1 at the same time.
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Salaams,
isn,t the following ayah simply telling us we can marry as many as we can manage sensibly?
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If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the Al-Yataama, then Marry what seems good to you of women, Two's, three's, four's(e.t.c); but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, though, with Oath, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.Second point to note is the history of other prophets who did have many wives and not just four - Solomon, David e.t.c
What say you?
Thanks.
God Bless.
Peace
I feel that this verse really means that if you feel are you can be as Muhammad then do marry more than one, but if you cannot, then be content with just one.
Essentially we can only marry one.
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Salaams All,
Some good statements, but would love some quranic evidance from those who say Only 1!.
And sister Samia How can you neglect what david or solomon did unless you don't believe their history, arn't prophets examples for humanity for All Time.
Thanks.
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Salaam alaikum.
Salaams,
isn,t the following ayah simply telling us we can marry as many as we can manage sensibly?
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If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the Al-Yataama, then Marry what seems good to you of women, Two's, three's, four's(e.t.c); but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, though, with Oath, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.This particular verse is restricting nikah to only one woman, but only in case yatama. There is no restriction otherwise, imho.
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Assalaam Alaikum
Excellent topic Simple. Unfortunately, (for the Men) the polgamy reference in Sura Nisa 43 is a mistranslation in english and misinterpretation along with a 'lustful' fallacy developed by Men.
Allah makes it clear.....
MARRY THOSE AMONG YOU WHO ARE SINGLE, and the virtuous ones among yourselves, male or female. if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace. for Allah encompasseth all, and he knoweth all things.
Thus the ayah An-Nur 24.32 destroys the polygamous fallacy.
If the female Musilimah's gave the married Males who approach them Sura An-Nur 24.32, the fallacy and misinterpretation would cease to exist.
Now for those Men who believe they can still practice Polygamy, 'because Muhammad did'
Allah addresses these Men in the following Sura and ayahs....
Wa-ith taqoolu lillathee anAAama Allahu AAalayhi waanAAamta AAalayhi
amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha / amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha = Keep your dignity with your wife/mate and have regard for Allahwa tukhfee fee nafsika / and Be aware of your soul;your inner feelings
ma Allahu mubdeehi watakhsha alnnasa waAllahu ahaqqu an takhshahufa lamma qada zaydun minha wataran zawwaj nakaha li-kaa (for YOU) la yakoona AAala almu/mineena harajun fee azwaji adAAiya-ihim itha qadaw minhunna wataran wakana amru Allahi mafAAoolan
Any excesses (i.e. polygamy, oppressing women, etc.) that were practiced in regards to females and marriage have now ENDED and those practices should cease.
O those who believe in the Prophet! ....ANY BELIEVING WOMAN WHO DEDICATES HER SOUL TO THE PROPHET IF THE PROPHET WISHES TO WED HER;- THIS ONLY FOR YOU, AND NOT FOR THE BELIEVERS / waimraatan muminatan in wahabat nafsaha lilnnabiyyi in arada alnnabiyyu an yastankihaha/ khalisatan/ laka min dooni almumineena
Yastankihaha (imperfect, 3rd person) wish to marry
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 577 (nakaha)Khalisatan (active participle) Distinct Quality, Someone with exclusive right, one who is pure, genuine, best choice, most excellent; Mukh-la-san / Mukh-lee-san means one who is Chosen, Chosen by Allah, pure from pollution or hypocrisy, pure & sincere towards Allah, purely believing in the unity of Allah (applied to a Human)
Lanes Lexicon Volume 2 page 785-787;
Online Single Page http//www.studyquran.co.uk/LLhome.htm
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 161 (khalasa)
Sorry (ladies) gentlemen, Allah makes it clear you can nolonger practice excesses and marry all the women you want. The exclusive right to practice polygamy in its true sense was ONLY relegated to the Prophets of Allah
Now we can address Sura Nisa 43 in light of the truth.
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Assalaam Alaikum
Before we address Sura Nisa 43....
Allah continues to address the Men who still insist on 'slipping' by with 'exchanging' and changing their wife or wives for others.....amazing Allah knows Men are lustful and rebellious
It is not lawful for you (to marry more) women after this, NOR TO CHANGE THEM FOR (OTHER) WIVES, even though their beauty attract you, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens). and Allah doth watch over all things.
La yahillu laka alnnisaa min baAAdu wala an tabaddala bihinna min azwajin walaw aAAjabaka husnuhunna illa ma malakat yameenuka wakana Allahu AAala kulli shayin raqeeban
Sorry Gentlemen cant do that either.....
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Assalaam Alaikum
Ok Lets just jump to the chase....
I will NOT post the english translation, because EVERYONE I have encountered is wrong.....
Wain khiftum alla tuqsitoo fee alyatama fa inkihoo {MA TABA lakum minna alnnisai mathna wathulatha warubaAAa} fain khiftum alla taAAdiloo fawahidatan aw ma malakat aymanukum thalika adna alla taAAooloo
Wain khiftum alla tuqsitoo fee alyatama fa VERBAL SENTENCE >>> inkihoo ADVERBAL MODIFIERS >>> MA TABA lakum minna <<< GENITIVE >>> alnnisai ADJECTIVES >>> mathna wathulatha warubaAAa <<< fain khiftum alla taAAdiloo fa ADJECTIVE Subject (Al Nisa) >>>> wahidatan <<< aw ma malakat aymanukum thalika adna alla taAAooloo
It is Ma = NOT Taba = good/lawful Lakum =TO/For YOU to be given the Minna = favor/gift/blessing/benefit of Al Nisai = (get married to) Women Mathna = 2, Thulatha = 3, and Rubaa = 4 TIMES
IT IS NOT LAWFUL to divorce get married, divorce get married, divorce get married again and divorce and get married again (and in doing so leave a family behind EACH time!)
Al Yatama does NOT mean 'orphan'....
?Al? (adataatarif) is a Definite Article , used to give the meaning of ?Most, All, Complete, Maximum, Whole, and to denote comprehensiveness, all aspects or categories of a subject, or to denote perfection and includes all degrees and grades.
yatama sole, unmatched, single, lonely, jaded, one withoutparents; Root word atamm means more complete, more perfect, perfectly prepared, totally ready; Root word Tamm meaning consummate, of full value, self contained, needing no completion; Root word Tamma means to or become complete, completed, finished, done, to be performed, be accomplished, to come to an end;
Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. page 117-118 (tamma)When Allah references 'orphans' Allah uses the word 'yateem'
Al-Insan/Al-Dahr 76.8] And for His love they feed the food to the miskeen / the needy (who is reduced to poverty) and the yateem / orphan and aseer / captive.
No, No! but you honour not the orphans / al-yateema!
mathna wa thulatha wa rubaAAa does not mean two three and four because two, three and four in Arabic are ithnaan, thalatha and arbaa' and not mathna, thulatha and rubaa
ithnan means 2 thalatha means 3 arba?a means 4
Allah confirms the definitive use of ALL these cardinal / ordinal number references in the following ayahs
Praise be to Allah, Who created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth, Who made the angels, messengers with wings,- two/ mathna, or three/ thulatha, or four/ rubaAAa. He adds to Creation as He pleases. for Allah has power over all things.
O you who believe! When death approaches any of you, (take) witnesses among yourselves when making bequests,- two / ithnani just men of your own
O, you who believe those whom your right possess and those among you who have not reach puberty, ask permission from you three / thalatha times/repetitions / marratin
For those who take an oath for abstention from their wives, a waiting for four / arbaAAati
sadeeqal atheemi / Allah has revealed the truth
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Sorry Gentlemen cant do that either.....
What you posted above is not applicable to believers and only pertains to the Prophet.
Read in context...
3350-52 O Prophet! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal gift/money), and those whom your right hand possesses - whom All?h has given to you, and the daughters of your 'Ammat (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your 'Amm (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Kh?lat (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Kh?l (maternal aunts) who migrated with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her; a privilege for you only, not for the the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those whom their right hands possess, - in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And All?h is Ever Oft?Forgiving, Most Merciful. You can postpone whom you will of them, and you may receive whom you will. And whomsoever you desire of those whom you have set aside, it is no sin on you, that is better that they may be comforted and not grieved, and may all be pleased with what you give them. All?h knows what is in your hearts. And All?h is Ever All?Knowing, Most Forbearing. It is not lawful for you women after this, nor to change them for other wives even though their beauty attracts you, except those whom your right hand possesses. And All?h is Ever a Watcher over all things.
For believers some prohibitions are below including not marrying two sisters at the same time...
423 Your mothers, and your daughters, and your sisters, and your paternal aunts, and your maternal aunts, and the brothers' daughters (nieces), and the sisters' daughters (nieces), and your mothers who breast fed you, and your sisters from the breast feeding, and your women's (wives' mothers (mothers in-law), and your step- daughters who (are) in your custody from your women (wives) whom you entered with them, are forbidden on you, so if you were not entered with them, so no offense/sin on you, and (also forbidden on you are) your sons' allowed/permitted women (wives) whom (are) from your backbones/genealogical relations, and that you combine between the two sisters, except what had preceded, that God was/is forgiving, merciful.
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Assalaam Alaikum @Nun de plume
With all due respect, did you actually 'read' and 'consider' what I posted? Personally, I dont argue translations, Im sorry.
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Greetings @Muslimtruthrevealed
With all due respect, did you actually 'read' and 'consider' what I posted? Personally, I dont argue translations, Im sorry.
Yes, you stated...
Allah continues to address the Men who still insist on 'slipping' by with 'exchanging' and changing their wife or wives for others.....amazing Allah knows Men are lustful and rebellious
It is not lawful for you (to marry more) women after this, NOR TO CHANGE THEM FOR (OTHER) WIVES, even though their beauty attract you, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens). and Allah doth watch over all things.
You inferred 3352 is applicable to believers (it is not) and only specific prohibitions applicable to the Prophet.
Did you read 423 specific general prohibitions applicable to all not to combine between the two sisters?
Therefore, marry women with mutual consent except those prohibited including two sisters at the same time.
The above is clear and straight forward, no need to argue translations.
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salam. there is no verse in the quran that prohibits more than a certain number of wives.
anyone who claims more than any number is prohibited is adding to the quran. therefore the topic is moot.
allah is the lawgiver.
Assalaam Alaikum
Actually anyone who suggests that the quran DOES NOT prohibit polygamy or multiple wives has NOT read or studied the Quran properly.
Those to whom We have sent the Book study it as it should be studied. They are the ones that believe therein. Those who reject faith therein,- the loss is their own.
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Greetings @Muslimtruthrevealed
Yes, you stated...
You inferred 3352 is applicable to believers (it is not) and only specific prohibitions applicable to the Prophet.
Did you read 423 specific general prohibitions applicable to all not to combine between the two sisters?
Therefore, marry women with mutual consent except those prohibited including two sisters at the same time.
The above is clear and straight forward, no need to argue translations.
It is not lawful for you (to marry more) women after this, NOR TO CHANGE THEM FOR (OTHER) WIVES, even though their beauty attract you, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens). and Allah doth watch over all things.
La yahillu laka
laKA is a 2nd person pronoun and reference meaning YOU, the individual who is actually present reading the ayah.....
Thus its speaking to a behavior (practice) that is prevalent now....
The Quran is NOT just about and for Muhammed,as
We have not instructed the (Prophet) in Poetry, NOR IS IT MEANT FOR HIM / ma yanbaghee . this is no less than a Message and a Qur'an making things clear.
The Quran is for human beings who are alive and living now in this life....
That it may give admonition to any (who are) alive / kana hayyan , and that the charge may be proved against those who reject (Truth).
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salam muslimtruthrevealed. do you have a verse from the quran that says a a particular number of wives is prohibited? i am sure you do not. how do you make haram that which allah has made jaiz? or is that the best you can do, making weak statements?
allah is the lawgiver.
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It is not lawful for you (to marry more) women after this, NOR TO CHANGE THEM FOR (OTHER) WIVES, even though their beauty attract you, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens). and Allah doth watch over all things.
La yahillu laka
laKA is a 2nd person pronoun and reference meaning YOU, the individual who is actually present reading the ayah.....
NO, don't pluck a sentence out of context and read the sentences prior which explains who "women after this" are...
3350-52 O Prophet! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal gift/money), and those whom your right hand possesses - whom All?h has given to you, and the daughters of your 'Ammat (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your 'Amm (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Kh?lat (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Kh?l (maternal aunts) who migrated with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her; a privilege for you only, not for the the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those whom their right hands possess, - in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And All?h is Ever Oft?Forgiving, Most Merciful. You can postpone whom you will of them, and you may receive whom you will. And whomsoever you desire of those whom you have set aside, it is no sin on you, that is better that they may be comforted and not grieved, and may all be pleased with what you give them. All?h knows what is in your hearts. And All?h is Ever All?Knowing, Most Forbearing. It is not lawful for you women after this, nor to change them for other wives even though their beauty attracts you, except those whom your right hand possesses. And All?h is Ever a Watcher over all things.
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salam muslimtruthrevealed. do you have a verse from the quran that says a a particular number of wives is prohibited? i am sure you do not. how do you make haram that which allah has made jaiz? or is that the best you can do, making weak statements?
allah is the lawgiver.
Assalaam Alaikum
Please ponder this ayah....this is what you asked for....
Wa-ith taqoolu lillathee anAAama Allahu AAalayhi waanAAamta AAalayhi
amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha / amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha = Keep your dignity with your wife/mate and have regard for Allahwa tukhfee fee nafsika / and Be aware of your soul;your inner feelings
ma Allahu mubdeehi watakhsha alnnasa waAllahu ahaqqu an takhshahufa lamma qada zaydun minha wataran zawwaj nakaha li-kaa (for YOU) la yakoona AAala almu/mineena harajun fee azwaji adAAiya-ihim itha qadaw minhunna wataran wakana amru Allahi mafAAoolan
Your need for marriage is ONE single Female....
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Assalaam Alaikum @Nun de plume
We are NOT on the same page...your off point....
baadu / after this is referring to the 'decree that ends 'excesses' in regards to women in Sura 3337....and
in the reference to the 'exclusive' right of the Messenger to marry women of his choosing
O those who believe in the Prophet! ....ANY BELIEVING WOMAN WHO DEDICATES HER SOUL TO THE PROPHET IF THE PROPHET WISHES TO WED HER;- THIS ONLY FOR YOU, AND NOT FOR (You) THE BELIEVERS / waimraatan muminatan in wahabat nafsaha lilnnabiyyi in arada alnnabiyyu an yastankihaha/ khalisatan/ laka min dooni almumineena
Unfortunately, the English translation does NOT capture and reflect the context and meanings of the Arabic constructs.
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salam muslimtruthrevealed. allah does not play word games. when allah says something is forbidden, it is clear. do not play word games. khanzeer harramun aleyka, is clear, pig meat is forbidden. this is how allah is very clear.
allah never says, zawj althani harramun aleyka, nor does he say zawj althalatha harramun aleyka. in order to reach your conclusion that a second or third or any other number is prohibited, you will have to produce a verse like that. there is no such verse.
to prohibit by any device that which allah makes jaiz, is prohibited and punished most severely by allah. why would you risk such severe punishment?
allah is the lawgiver.
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salam muslimtruthrevealed. allah does not play word games. when allah says something is forbidden, it is clear. do not play word games. khanzeer harramun aleyka, is clear, pig meat is forbidden. this is how allah is very clear.
allah never says, zawj althani harramun aleyka, nor does he say zawj althalatha harramun aleyka. in order to reach your conclusion that a second or third or any other number is prohibited, you will have to produce a verse like that. there is no such verse.
to prohibit by any device that which allah makes jaiz, is prohibited and punished most severely by allah. why would you risk such severe punishment?
allah is the lawgiver.
Assalaam Alaikum
Im NOT concerned about your 'veil' threats to prevent myself and others from the guidance and truth of Allah.
Sura Nisa 43 is NOT referring to the 'number of wives' one can marry.
Allah is telling Men, NOT to take the Blessing of marriage as an invitation to 'act' upon your desires of lust and oppression.
You are free to showme what 'word games' I have 'played'.
The truth (is) from ALLAH alone; so be not of those who doubt.
If any one disputes in this matter with you, after knowledge had s come to you, say. ? come! Let us gather together,-- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves. then let us earnestly pray, and CALL THE CURSE OF ALLAH ON THOSE WHO LIE!?
But if they turn back , Allah has full knowledge of those who do mischief.
I await your response.
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Assalaam Alaikum @Al Araf....
It seems again that you 'refuse' to accept the ayah Sura 3337, which clearly gives the 'decree' of ONE single wife, period.
Also Sura 43 ....
Wain khiftum alla tuqsitoo fee alyatama fa VERBAL SENTENCE >>> inkihoo ADVERBAL MODIFIERS >>> MA TABA lakum minna <<< GENITIVE >>> alnnisai ADJECTIVES >>> mathna wathulatha warubaAAa <<< fain khiftum alla taAAdiloo fa ADJECTIVE Subject (Al Nisa) >>>> wahidatan <<< aw ma malakat aymanukum thalika adna alla taAAooloo
wahiditan (tarmubutah & tanwin, adjective to the feminine noun (Al Nisai ) means ONE female indefinitely
and this one....
MARRY THOSE AMONG YOU WHO ARE SINGLE, and the virtuous ones among yourselves, male or FEMALE. if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace. for Allah encompasseth all, and he knoweth all things.
I have shown that your statement
in order to reach your conclusion that a second or third or any other number is prohibited, you will have to produce a verse like that. there is no such verse.
...... is primarily an 'emotional' statement and NOT based upon any serious understanding of the ayahs.
Please address the ayahs and show evidence that I have 'played games' with the words.