Punishment in hereafter for not performing salaat
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Peace everyone,
I came across the following while reading al-quran
7441 About the criminals.
7442 ?What has caused you to be in the scorching heat??
7443 They said ?We were not of those who connected (musalleen).?
7444 ?And we did not feed the poor person.?
7445 ?And we used to participate with those who spoke falsehood.?
7446 ?And we used to deny the Day of Judgment.?
7447 ?Until the certainty came to us.?This clearly shows that those who did not perform salaat might incur punishment in the life hereafter. Therefore, it follows that salat is obligatory upon muslims/momins, contrary to what a lot of people who post in this forum think and preach.
Comments please.
If you interpret the above verse (7443) as
"Those who didn't regularly bow and prostrate and perform the sahadah RITUAL five times a day". (as prescribed by Sunni's cleric)
Then why does does the corrupters, child abusers, mass murderers, enslaver, oppresors, idol worshipper etc.. is not even mentioned????
Is not performing some kind of RITUAL five times a day is MUCH WORSE than corrupters, child abusers, mass murderers, enslaver, oppresors, idol worshipper??Let me tell you how I interpret 7443..
7443 They said ?We were not of those who UPHOLD/MAINTAINS THE COMMANDMENT (musalleen).?The clerics interpret "shalat" as doing somekind of "RITUALS"..
While I interpret
SHALAT as "UPHOLDING GOD's COMMANDMENT".
Shalat as rituals can be considered as a 'rites' to ALWAYS REMEMBER GOD's Commandment.If you read the Bible (Old and New Testament) there are many verses there which shows that God loves Mercy, Justice more than merely praying or other rituals...
Exhibit 1.
Hosea 66
For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.Exhibit 2.
Mark 28-34
One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating.
Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?"
"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.
he second is this 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these.""Well said, teacher," the man replied. "You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.
To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God."
Matthew 23
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices?mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law?justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.Exhibit 3 -- On Praying
Matthew 5
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.If you read the bible, the main theme was how the Jews always forgetful of THEIR COMMANDMENTS which is around upholding JUSTICE, LOVE AND MERCY.
Especially on the Jesus episodes (read New Testament), the main theme was on the Clerics Hypocrisy, the clerics put emphasis more on "rituals" (e.g. Synagogue praying mass, torah readings, offerings/KORBAN) rather than JUSTICE, LOVE AND MERCY, which is what actually GOD wanted.Salam / Peace
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Peace be upon you Jafar,
Then why does does the corrupters, child abusers, mass murderers, enslaver, oppresors, idol worshipper etc.. is not even mentioned?
Is not performing some kind of RITUAL five times a day is MUCH WORSE than corrupters, child abusers, mass murderers, enslaver, oppresors, idol worshipper??Let me tell you how I interpret 7443..
7443 They said ?We were not of those who UPHOLD/MAINTAINS THE COMMANDMENT (musalleen).?Isn't feeding the poor a "commandment"? So you still run into the same discrepency that you had to start with...why say after salaat that they did not feed the poor and not the rest of those sins?
Salaat is mentioned first because it is the means of changing your behavior(cause)...the rest are examples of behaviors that need changing..the effects.
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peace t,
Can you clarify how your 1st statement leads to your 2nd statement based on what you presented.
Thanks.
salam
i would like to know, if there is no actual salat as in a ritual, then why did god send this verse 56. if prayer is merely just a kind of meditation or remembering of god. then there would be alot of wudu2 to be done especailly when god is in our mind all the time. but he was very specifec in the verse as when we get up to pray we must wash. -
Peace anna.
I think the answear to your questions are in this article. This article explains why rituals and salaat has nothing to do with the Quran, and that rituals and salaat is a man-made concept
http//www.aboutquran.com/
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Salam Anna,,
salam
i would like to know, if there is no actual salat as in a ritual, then why did god send this verse 56. if prayer is merely just a kind of meditation or remembering of god. then there would be alot of wudu2 to be done especially when god is in our mind all the time. but he was very specifec in the verse as when we get up to pray we must wash.Salat is service to mankind. And because it's a physical task as much as mental, it requires not just having the right mindset but also preparing the face, hands and feet to carry on with the task. Why the emphasis on those parts? Those are the basic body parts (tools) that one basically uses when dealing with the world around him/her. Those parts have to be clean, wouldn't they? For example If you're cooking a meal for your family, wouldn't you, at least, clean your hands, tidy your hair, etc.. to prepare a clean meal? To keep those body parts clean is basic for one to meet the world and positively deal with it. The wudu' shows how much respect, seriousness and sincerity you have to your work and to the people you are serving or helping. To have those body parts clean is basic in performig the effort of salat the service to mankind.
peace
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salam
i would like to know, if there is no actual salat as in a ritual, then why did god send this verse 56. if prayer is merely just a kind of meditation or remembering of god. then there would be alot of wudu2 to be done especailly when god is in our mind all the time. but he was very specifec in the verse as when we get up to pray we must wash.Salaams Anna,
I wonder if you have ever come across any great painting where with certain cameras scientists have seen a picture below the picture, so a painter has painted a picture on an existing painting.
Like wise the quran was a master piece but people after the prophet tried to embody their previous believes and thus have corrupted it somewhat- I believe.
There isn't a ritual prayer in the quran and neither wudu;
56 ? using the quran, lanes and the quranic dictionary.
O you who believe when you take to counsel cleanse yourselves- your actions and your earnings till the thing by which you gain- benefit/ services you provide holds back from doing evil with a firm setting and your people till they do likewise and when you are under an obligation/in sin then purify yourself and if you are morally sick or trying to find out or has come one of you from such a background or you not been able to have contact with women and not you find essence then look for the learned, ascended, good
And you wipe your-selves, actions and your earnings from it does not want Allah to lay upon you any hardship but He wants to purify you and to complete His favor upon you so that you may give thanks.God Bless.
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Salam Anna,,
Salat is service to mankind. And because it's a physical task as much as mental, it requires not just having the right mindset but also preparing the face, hands and feet to carry on with the task. Why the emphasis on those parts? Those are the basic body parts (tools) that one basically uses when dealing with the world around him/her. Those parts have to be clean, wouldn't they? For example If you're cooking a meal for your family, wouldn't you, at least, clean your hands, tidy your hair, etc.. to prepare a clean meal? To keep those body parts clean is basic for one to meet the world and positively deal with it. The wudu' shows how much respect, seriousness and sincerity you have to your work and to the people you are serving or helping. To have those body parts clean is basic in performig the effort of salat the service to mankind.peace
salam, so what your telling me is that everytime i want to do something anything i must do wudu2,so if i go outside and talk to ppl or at work i must do wudu2 and if i come home i must wdu2, im a little confused with these translations, this is new to me, so litterly i have to be a t the sink most of the days cleansing.
the word salat comes from sila a connection, but i dont understand how you came to the conclusion of service to man -
Then why does does the corrupters, child abusers, mass murderers, enslaver, oppresors, idol worshipper etc.. is not even mentioned????
salam,
the quran is not just about translating, the whole point of the aya is not what they are or not doing but the fact that anyone who does not do salat is bound to do wrong wether it be not giving the poor or killing its not how big or small the sin its the fact they disobeyed, if they do not wish to pray because they dont believe, then what is to stop them from doing any wrong, nothing. when god talks about mo2minin or musaleen he is not talking about the everyday person who prays then beats his wife or the person who will go and have a girlfriend but not married but he still prays. he is talking about the true mo2minin the true mosaleen those who are true to god. prayer is important it keeps us from thinkning and doing wrong, when prayer time comes we wont go doing something bad just before and then go stand infront of him . we will think twice of doing such things.KNOWING we are going to stand in front of him in prayer. -
Peace Anna,
You are absolutely right. 7443 can only be about connection/salaat with God according to the context. Al-quran tells us how to uphold this connection with God at certain times, preceded by ablution, and includes reading/reciting from al-quran, remembering God, praising and glorifying Him, and being humble and obedient to Him. This clearly shows that it has both physical and mental components, and it is a "ritual" to be carried out at certain times of the day, preceded by ablution, and carried out in a moderate tone. The mental components of salaat are of course more important; that is why God stresses more on the mental components of salat than the physical.
If it was "service to mankind" or "upholding the commandments", then it should include feeding the poor, not participating with those who speak falsehood, and not denying the Last Day. Mentioning these things in addition to salaat in 7443-46 clearly proves that salaat is not "commandments" or "service to mankind", especially in the context of chapter 74. We should be careful on how we translate and interpret al-quran, and not do it according to our personal whims and desires, but base it on correct understanding of the Arabic words, grammar, context, and cross referencing with other parts of al-quran (tasreef), and it is also very important to verify every information given by others for ourselves as per 1736 before blindly believing or following it.
May God guide us all to the truth.
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Peace Truthseeker11,
If it was "service to mankind" or "upholding the commandments", then it should include feeding the poor, not participating with those who speak falsehood, and not denying the Last Day.
What does al 3amal al ssali7 mean in English? Can you please give me a better translation than the one I used which is 'service to mankind'. Salaat is al 3amal al ssali7. In priority, according to al Quran, it comes in third place after the iman billah and then judgment day. Salaat is, simply, service to mankind, one's self included. Service to mankind has no limit and it includes, naturally, the things you mentioned feeding the poor, not participating with those who speak falsehood, and of course all the things that cannot possibly hurt anyone but instead help whoever is in need, etc.. That is what al 3amal al ssali7 is. That is what service to mankind is. Shouldn't al 3amal al ssali7 or service to mankind be our goal in life? How else will any progress happen? If what they are doing five times or three times a day is what salat is then why on earth are the "muslims" moving backwards among other nations!!?? Not to mention that their understanding of salat is not at all preventing them from commiting al fa7sha'a and al munkar!!??
peace
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Peace,
I agree with TAJ. Prayer is a subjective spiritual outlet which is different for every culture and person. this is why there are so many different modes of prayer and rituals on earth as each express it differently according to their language and history. So Allah will not impose on you a specific method. he is only concerned with you behaving properly towards other humans.
See for example in this tafsir of the word Salla how the word is more focussed on service to mankind then to a ritual
As-Salaat explained by G.A.Parwez
This word has occurred in the Quran 108 times in various forms and as Sal'at 67 times. Sal'at is the principle and one of the most important elements of Islam, and has special significance. Also in view of its extensive and repeated use in the Quran, it is necessary to discuss it somewhat in detail with reference to various verses. First its literal meaning
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As-Sal'a is the central portion of the backside, the portion from where tail of the animal comes out. Both sides are called Salwan and its plural is Salawatun (Taj).
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Mosalli is the horse which comes at second place in a race, and is so close to the first-placed that its ears are touching the other's back portion. (The first one is called S'abiq.) It, therefore, means to follow the first one very closely. There is a saying of Ali the fourth caliph, "Sabaqa Rasool-Allah, wa salla Abu-Bakr wa sallasa Omar wa khabatatna fitnatun." Rasool-Allah went away first, followed by Abu-Bakr and then Omar and thereafter chaos overtook us (Taj).
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According to Taj, Salea Wastala means attachment, to remain stuck. From this reference Raghib says that verse (74/43), "We were not Musalleen," means that they did not follow the Rusul. Accordingly Qurtabi also writes that Sal'at would mean to remain within the bounds of the Laws of Allah, and Tasleah means to walk behind a person so closely that there remains no distance; not to surpass him but remain closely behind.
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It is very important to understand the relationship of man and Allah. Allah is the One Who is Supreme, Most Perfect and Most Beautiful. He has various Attributes called Asma-ul-Husna and each Attribute is perfect and complete. Allah has also given a personality to man and referred to it as "Roohona" - the Divine Energy (see Rooh). The object or the purpose of man's life is to develop his personality according to the Laws of Allah and inculcate in himself as much of Allah's Attributes as may be humanly possible.
In the first Surah (Al-F'atiha) of the Quran, a Momin is taught to ask of Allah to guide him to Sira't-Al-Mustaqeem (and that, in fact, should be a Momin's purpose of life - to tread the Sira't-Al-Mustaqeem all along - the straight and the balanced path) and in the eleventh Surah (Hud) it is stated that Allah continuously stays at Sira't-Al-Mustaqeem. It transpires from the above that the only straight path a Momin is required to adopt during the course of his life, is the same at which Allah Almighty Himself is going and running this universe. This path can easily be adopted by closely and steadfastly following the dictates of Allah's Book, i.e., the Holy Quran. Hence the basic meaning of Sal'at is complete concordance with the Book of Allah and thereby incorporating in one's own self Allah's most balanced Attributes, of course, as far as is humanly possible.
In verse (24/41) a question is asked "Have you not pondered over the fact that whatever there is in the universe including the birds with wings spread out, is continuously carrying out their assignments with fullest play of their capabilities and each one of them knows its sphere of duties (Tasbeeh) and the way those are to be carried out (Sal'at)." This obviously means that everything in the universe knows by instinct, what are its duties and how to perform them and what is its destiny. As far as animal world is concerned, they do it by instinct. But if a human being wants to know, what is his Tasbeeh and Sal'at, it is a must for him to have faith in Wahi, through which all these directions containing do's and don'ts are explained. This is Iqamat-As-Sal'at, a special term used in the Quran.
To follow the Laws of the Quran is Iqamat-As-Sal'at. This is not possible individually and can only be done collectively; that is why the Quran has used the plural tense for this. It is the responsibility of an Islamic State is to establish this order (22/41), and they do it by mutual consultations (42/3. This system covers all the aspects of life, particularly the economic system. Verse (11/87) is very significant in this regard. It says "O Shu'aib! does your Sal'at not permit us even to spend our wealth as we desire?" They did not understand as to what type of Sal'at is one which gives directions even in economic matters; they thought Sal'at is just a prayer or some sort of ritual.In a nutshell it would pose one simple question. Would a person like to decide his affairs according to his desires, wishes or would he surrender before the Laws of Allah? This later position is called Sal'at. Verse (19/59) further clarifies "they were followed by people who abandoned or negated the Sal'at." Therefore, following the Divine Laws is called Sal'at. As such Ibn-e-Qutaiba says, Sal'at actually means Ad-Deen and Iqamat-As-Sal'at means Iqamat-ud-Deen.
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As-Salla means fire and firewood. Salla Asaho-Alan-Nar means he straightened and softened his stick by heating it with fire. As such Sal'at would also mean to remove one's defects. Author of Al-Minar says that Sal'at, in fact, is the recognition that one's personality needs guidance of a superior authority. In this way Qurtabi says that Sal'at means obedience to Allah.
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Another meaning of Sal'at is to subdue and arrest and attract someone's attention (Moheet). This view would explain another meaning of Sal'at which is taming and harnessing the forces operative in the Universe.
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One meaning of Sal'at is reverence and respect (Taj), i.e., to work for and establish a socio-economic system that proves the greatness of the Sustainer of this universe.
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In Hebrew dictionary Salawat (plural of Sal'at) is the praying place of Jews. In verse (22/40) this word is used in that context.
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Sal'at has also been used for a particular ritual. On the whole, whatever a Momin is doing by following the Laws of Allah, without any restrictions of time or formation, is Sal'at. But where ever in the Quran it refers to a particular action, its form and timing has to be fixed. In this regard there are various verses in the Quran, e.g.,
a. Verse (5/6) mentions ablution, which is to be performed before offering Sal'at.
b. Verse (4/43) prohibits the Momineen to perform Sal'at when they are under the influence of intoxication (the Momineen are, however, admonished to refrain from the use of intoxicants 5/90-91).
c. In Surah Al-Jum'aa (62/9-10) it is commanded "when you are called for the congregation on the day of Jum'aa, you should rush towards Zikr-Allah, putting aside your business - and after Sal'at spread out in the land in search of bounty of Allah and do His Zikr a great deal, so that you may prosper."
d. Some specific timings are also mentioned in the Quran. Verse (17/7 directs the Momineen to establish Sal'at from early morning till late night. In this verse the word "Dalook" has been used which means from morning till evening, thereby denying the earlier superstition that certain times of the day are good or bad. It is further explained in verse (11/114) that Sal'at be established on the two ends of the day and early hours of night. Verses (20/130) and (50/39) mention about Hamd before sunrise and sunset and also late night when stars start fading (52/49).
e. Verse (24/5 mentions about Sal'at-ul-Fajr and Sal'at-ul-'Ishaa when domestic servants are forbidden from entering private apartments without permission.
f. About recitation during Sal'at, the Quran says that you should understand as to what you are reciting (4/43) and do not recite loudly or in silence but adopt a course in between.
The above verses explain that the meaning of Sal'at encompasses the congregational prayers as well. Wherever Aqeem-us-Sal'at is referred to, it means the establishment of the whole system, the obedience to the Laws of Allah, and the observance of all the duties expected of a Momin. At other places, it also refers to the offering of prayers as well other duties which are a part of the whole system. For this distinction one has to see the whole verse and the context in which it is brought. Similarly the word Musalleen is referred to those persons who are at the height of dignity ( 70/22-35).
g. Salla Alaihe, according to Raghib, means to respect, to give blessings, to encourage, to grow, to nourish, to stop getting decayed. So in those verses of the Quran where this root occurs with 'Ala, it means that Allah and all the heavenly forces encourage you, provide you with necessary means of growth and nourishment and make your efforts bear fruit (33/43). In verse (2/157) it is stated that when the Momineen face difficulties in the enforcement and establishment of Deen, they do not get disheartened, but remain steadfast and they deserve all the appreciation and encouragement from Allah. This is also mentioned in particular about Rasool-Allah (peace be upon him) himself saying, "Allah and all the heavenly forces help and encourage him in the fulfilment of the Divine program. So, O Jama'at-ul-Momineen, you should also help your Rasool (peace be upon him), by following him and submitting before him." (33/56)
http//deenrc.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/explanation-of-the-word-salaat-in-the-quran-by-ga-parwez.pdf
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peace simple,
For the benefit of newer members, when you post one of your translations, please point out you pay no attention to Arabic grammar or cross-referencing of word usage.
Thanks.
Sorry i do use cross referencing, but may be not your type of grammar.
Grammar of the quran..........
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16400.msg163340#msg163340
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"What brought you to this retribution?"
They will say, "We did not observe the contact prayers (Salat).
"We did not feed the poor.
"We blundered with the blunderers.
"We disbelieved in the Day of Judgment.
"Until certainty came to us now."
Hello,
I believe that this part of the sura is saying that the people who end up in hell will regret and wish that they had performed the salat so that they would not commit sins like not feeding the poor etc. I don't think that the Lord of the Universe would create such a system that there is severe punhishment JUST for not observing the salat.
I believe that God gave the human race the salat to HELP them stay on the straight path, i.e. to HELP them not do wrong things like steal, backbite, opress etc.
Also, in my opinion, the salat must be a set of instructions to be carried out. I believe God gave Abraham the best method of nourishing his soul (i.e. gaining energy to do good deeds) by giving him the salat
"My Lord, make me one who consistently observes the Contact Prayers (Salat), and also my children. Our Lord, please answer my prayers.
The Quran also says that some generations lost the salat in 1959. This convinces me more that the salat was a practical (mental state is also important-1074,5) set of instructions and that it was passed down from generation to generation. However I believe that God corrected the big additions that the corrupters made to the salat (like mentioning Muhammad) in the Quran.
Peace
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Sorry i do use cross referencing, but may be not your type of grammar.
Grammar of the quran..........
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16400.msg163340#msg163340
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Please state exactly where you used cross referencing of words in the translation you provided of 56, especially of the words you translated unconventionally.
Secondly, there is a difference between The Quran having it's own style of grammar, or loose grammar rules due to it being a verbal revelation, and not paying attention to grammar at all. The fact is you have no clue about Quranic grammar, thus pay no attention to it when translating.
Also, thanks for linking to that thread. I recommend anyone who wishes to read your posts, also to read that thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16400.0 -
Please state exactly where you used cross referencing of words in the translation you provided of 56, especially of the words you translated unconventionally.
God willing- i will, so people can see where all that came from after my trip.
Secondly, there is a difference between The Quran having it's own style of grammar, or loose grammar rules due to it being a verbal revelation, and not paying attention to grammar at all.
The fact is you have no clue about Quranic grammar, thus pay no attention to it when translating.talking nonsense- but i can say one thing you know bull about the quran and what its about- so but that is my view.
Also, thanks for linking to that thread. I recommend anyone who wishes to read your posts, also to read that thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16400.0No mind Br.
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salam,
the quran is not just about translating, the whole point of the aya is not what they are or not doing but the fact that anyone who does not do salat is bound to do wrong wether it be not giving the poor or killing its not how big or small the sin its the fact they disobeyed, if they do not wish to pray because they dont believe, then what is to stop them from doing any wrong, nothing. when god talks about mo2minin or musaleen he is not talking about the everyday person who prays then beats his wife or the person who will go and have a girlfriend but not married but he still prays. he is talking about the true mo2minin the true mosaleen those who are true to god. prayer is important it keeps us from thinkning and doing wrong, when prayer time comes we wont go doing something bad just before and then go stand infront of him . we will think twice of doing such things.KNOWING we are going to stand in front of him in prayer.Salam Sister
Welcome and well said.
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Peace Truthseeker11,
What does al 3amal al ssali7 mean in English? Can you please give me a better translation than the one I used which is 'service to mankind'. Salaat is al 3amal al ssali7. In priority, according to al Quran, it comes in third place after the iman billah and then judgment day. Salaat is, simply, service to mankind, one's self included. Service to mankind has no limit and it includes, naturally, the things you mentioned feeding the poor, not participating with those who speak falsehood, and of course all the things that cannot possibly hurt anyone but instead help whoever is in need, etc.. That is what al 3amal al ssali7 is. That is what service to mankind is. Shouldn't al 3amal al ssali7 or service to mankind be our goal in life? How else will any progress happen? If what they are doing five times or three times a day is what salat is then why on earth are the "muslims" moving backwards among other nations!!?? Not to mention that their understanding of salat is not at all preventing them from commiting al fa7sha'a and al munkar!!??peace
salam,
im still confused as to "service to mankind" a policeman, government personal, a bar tender, prostitute maybe thats a huge service to mankind.
3amil lsali7 or in english a good deed,lets see, a lady walking down the street she falls to the ground, i come to help her ........but wait i have todo wuduu2 first must prepare for the service of mankind.
muslims moving backwards, which muslims are you talking about, if we are moving backward is because they are NOT muslims, they are hypocrites, you have shifted to politics, no religion in politics. -
peace anna,
The Quran mentions the word "salat" and it's root (Saad-Lam-Waw) about 100 times. There is loads and loads and loads of information about "salat" in The Quran. I recommend studying it's occurrences and apply what you learn as you go.
I recommend www.studyquran.org
