Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace siki,
There is no "dark side" of the moon unless talking about Pink Floyd...lol
The moon get sunlight half the time same as earth because the moon also spins.We see the light side; they are in sync like a man/earth swinging a rope/gravity with ball/moon at the end.
yes Oh , yes , you are right,
so , that means Ayman's theory is wrong, i suppose. confused
siki
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Peace Siki,
yes Oh , yes , you are right,
so , that means Ayman's theory is wrong, i suppose. confusedThe "dark side of the moon" is a misnomer. It is really the "far side of the moon" (relative to earth). I am not sure what this has to do with anything. All the phases of the moon are just optical phenomena that we perceive and no part of the moon actualy vanishes from existence when it is a crescent. It is always one and the same moon.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace,
Im starting to think. What similarities does Ramadan, and christian/Jewish fasting have?
I mean dont they also fast?
Rosh Hashanah
At the begining of the new year.. a little similar to what Ayman was saying.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosh_Hashanah
It just leads back to the idea that perhaps previus scripture is important.Peace
Peace
The followig is quotations from your link, which shows that Jewish used to use Lunar Year, and they calculate the month from New Moon (Waxing Crescent) to the next New Moon (Moon Cycel).
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Jewish Year Starts (at sundown)
5769 29 September 2008
5770 18 September 2009
5771 08 September 2010Since the time of the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem in 70 CE and the time of Rabban Yohanan ben Zakkai, normative Jewish law appears to be that Rosh Hashanah is to be celebrated for two days, due to the difficulty of determining the date of the new moon.
End Quote
They did what Ayman Believes we should do "Ignore the Waxing Crescent". Also, please note how there year is less than Solar Year by 10 days (They use Luar Year)
Salam
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Brother Ayman
salam
Any idea what 34-12 is trying to convey?
34-12 And (We made) the wind (subservient) to Sulaiman, which made a month's journey in the morning and a month's journey in the evening, and We made a fountain of molten copper to flow out for him, and of the jinn there were those who worked before him by the command of his Lord; and whoever turned aside from Our command from among them, We made him taste of the punishment of burning.
peace
siki
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Peace Siki,
Any idea what 34-12 is trying to convey?
34-12 And (We made) the wind (subservient) to Sulaiman, which made a month's journey in the morning and a month's journey in the evening, and We made a fountain of molten copper to flow out for him, and of the jinn there were those who worked before him by the command of his Lord; and whoever turned aside from Our command from among them, We made him taste of the punishment of burning.Umm Tariq and I had a brief discussion earlier on this. I don't think that we have reached anything conclusive. You may want to read her post and my reply
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.msg177971;topicseen#msg177971
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Siki,
I had to jump in again to comment on 3412. The translation you quoted is incorrect. There is no word for journey in the verse. The following is more accurate
3412 And to Solomon the wind/breeze, its early morning one full-moon, and its blowing quickly/briskly/violently in evening one full-moon ......................................
What this verse is talking about is the blowing of the wind forcefully in early morning alternating with blowing forcefully in evening at the command of Solomon. In other words, all this verse means is that Solomon was given control over when the wind blew with force. "Its early morning" implies "its blowing quickly/briskly in early morning", when contrasted with the second phrase "rawahuha shahrun".
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Truth seeker. salam
It has been quite long that i have learnt not to trust any translation, and reached the conclusion, that one has to burn one's own oil for deciphering the arabic.
Actually , i wana always quote the arabic, but some how , i havent been able to find an easy tool on the forum to do that (any suggestions) So whenever you find a translated verse from my side , just take it easy, cause i have casually picked up any translation which i can cut and paste, to convey a refrence, or a theme , I may not agree with the translator.Now coming to the verse it self , there is a word shahr in it , how do you fit in that?
peace
siki
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Peace Siki,
I was just trying to suggest a better translation and what I understood from the verse.
I think the usage of "shahr" here is idiomatic, referring to alternate time markers, implying that Solomon could order the wind to blow forcefully whenever he wanted, miraculously by God's permission. For example, to demonstrate a miracle from God, he could have told his people that he will command the wind to blow forcefully early in the morning this coming full-moon, and then the next full-moon after that he will command the wind to blow forcefully in the evening. God knows better!
To find out exactly what it means, we will have to travel back in time to Solomon's time or wait for Last Day and ask God or wait for Him to reveal its meaning before that. I think this verse is one of the "mutashaabihaat" (37).
(20114) http//www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/
20114
http//www.free-minds.org/quran/PM/20/11420114 Then High above all is God, the King, the True. And do not be hasty with the Qur?an before its inspiration is completed to you, and say ?My Lord, increase my knowledge.?
For quoting Arabic, go to the websites I referenced above and just copy and paste the Arabic. Then you can use the font size button to increase the text size.
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Dear Ayman
salam
Anna , in another thread has asked a very pertinent question regarding fasting in the near vicinities of poles, to which wakas has refered her to one of your basic articles on the issue. He also recommends not to fast untill one sees the Ramadhan full moon, to which i agree. Now my question is , what is the anotomy of Red full moon in polar regions? Would we find there a schorching Red moon after summer solistice, or not?
siki
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Peace Siki,
Places on Earth North of 66.5 degrees will never see the full-moon during the Northern Hemisphere summer solstice. Hence the "shahru ramadhan" will not be witnessed in those locations.
http//curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=341
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Peace Siki,
Places on Earth North of 66.5 degrees will never see the full-moon during the Northern Hemisphere summer solstice. Hence the "shahru ramadhan" will not be witnessed in those locations.
http//curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=341
Salaam
Nor would they witness the new moon so, as I said in this thread earlier on that in the far Northern hemisphere the moon will not be witnessed in the summer and there is no dawn and no sunset so as I understand it people of those Northern countries do not have to fast.
Those who chose to artificially divide the day and fast do it to their own desire, but they would witness it when the Ramadanin falls in other seasons. Fasting in the month of Ramadhan is blessing for the whole mankind including the blind, no one is exempt except those mentioned in the Qur'an.
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Peace Siki,
I had to jump in again to comment on 3412. The translation you quoted is incorrect. There is no word for journey in the verse. The following is more accurate
3412 And to Solomon the wind/breeze, its early morning one full-moon, and its blowing quickly/briskly/violently in evening one full-moon ......................................
What this verse is talking about is the blowing of the wind forcefully in early morning alternating with blowing forcefully in evening at the command of Solomon. In other words, all this verse means is that Solomon was given control over when the wind blew with force. "Its early morning" implies "its blowing quickly/briskly in early morning", when contrasted with the second phrase "rawahuha shahrun".
Salaam Truthseeker,
Since the primary meaning of ?SHAHR? is ?OBVIOUS?. Here can we say
3412 And to Solomon the wind/breeze, its early morning was obvious, and its blowing quickly/briskly/violently in evening was obvious??..
Maybe Samia can comment.
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Peace be unto you, brothers and sisters,
May God guide you to the righteous path, and may He shower you with blessings from Most High.
I found out the hottest month in the area I live in (SF/Bay Area) and fast during August 1-31.
God knows my heart.
Peace and blessings.
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Peace and God's blesings be on you all!
I stoped reading after page 15. Sorry all the arguments and running in circles are not helping me try to understand any better.
I basically agree with Ayman's conclusions, as they make the most since to me as to what the Quran(reading) implies.
My questions are for Ayman or anyone that agree's with his consclusions.
Let me see if I got this right..
ramadhan(scorching fullmoon) begins on the fullmoon after the summer solstice.(2185)
The night of measure, is the night before the abstinence of the scorching moon(ramadhan) begins,Which lasts 10 days.
Abstinence occurs during the daylight periods of the 10 day period. For those with non believing families or cant afford to stay the whole 10 days may stay 3 at the gathering and then abstain for 7 at home.2196
The months of restriction are four months,beginning with the scorching fullmoon.(the restriction is against hunting during those months)
The Gathering(hajj), last 10 days, Fullmoon to the crescent and occurs durig one or any of the last 3 restricted months.The gathering is to be attended by all believing families, but for those who dont have believing families, they can leave after 2/3 days.(2184; 2203)
The year is solar and has 12 months.(936)
Is umrah the lesser gathering and when should it be done? Can you explain to me 2196-197?
And perform Hajj (the gathering) and Umrah (lesser gathering?) for Allah; and if you are prevented, send sacrifice whatever is available; and do not shave your heads until the sacrifice reaches its destination; so whoever among you is sick or has an ailment in the head, must pay a compensation by fasting or charity or sacrifice; then when you are in peace - and whoever takes the advantage of combining the Hajj and Umrah, it is compulsory for him to sacrifice whatever is available; and whoever cannot afford it, must fast for three days while on the pilgrimage, and seven when you have returned to your homes; these are ten in all; this decree is for him who is not a resident of Mecca; and keep fearing Allah and know well that Allah?s punishment is severe.
The gathering(hajj) is during the well-known months; and for one who intends to perform the Hajj in it - neither is there to be mention of cohabitation in the presence of women, nor any sin, nor a fight with anyone till the completion of Hajj; and whatever good you do, Allah knows it; and take provision along with you for the best provision is piety; and keep fearing Me, O men of understanding!I know it says in 2185 that whoever witnesses the scorching moon should fast/abstain, does 2227 imply that even if we dont abstain, we should still attend the gathering(hajj)? It says it should be publicaly announced.
"And publicly announce the gathering(hajj) to all people ? they will come to you, on foot and on every lean she-camel, coming from every far distant journey."
In order that they may gain their benefit, and mention the name of Allah on the appointed days as He has bestowed the sustenance to them ? the inarticulate animals; therefore eat from them yourself and feed the distressed destitute.If I am mixing up things and not understanding some things, please explain.
Thanks!
KadeenThanks ayman for answering my questions the pm.
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2233 And the mothers breast feed their children two years complete
3114 and his weaning/separation in two years (fixed at 365 days x 2)
4615 and his weight/pregnancy with him, and his weaning/separation thirty months
Equation
weight/pregnancy with him + 730 days (365 x 2) breast feeding = 30 months30 full moons can vary
1 lunar month = 29.53059 days
29.53059 x 30 = 885.9177 days
29.53059 x 29 = 856.38711 daysTherefore, weight/pregnancy has to vary in equation to compensate
Woman 1 becomes pregnant day after full moon;
Weight/pregnancy with him = 886 ? 730 = 156 daysWoman 2 becomes pregnant day before full moon;
Weight/pregnancy with him = 856 ? 730 = 126 daysRegardless if 2 months early, 9 months, or month late, if both woman are pregnant equal #of days, it would contradict to state that one woman was burdened 29 days longer.
Peace
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Peace Pseudo,
2233 And the mothers breast feed their children two years complete
The Arabic word "hawl" doesn't necessarily mean year. It is better translated as "cycle" as one brother kindly pointed out a few months ago on this forum. For delivering a newborn, the cycle is normally 40 weeks or about 10 full moons.
So 2 cycles would be 2*10 full-moons. So pregnancy (10) + weaning (20) = 30. This is confirmed by 4615 that you quoted
4615 and his weight/pregnancy with him, and his weaning/separation thirty months
3114 and his weaning/separation in two years (fixed at 365 days x 2)
The passage actually says "within" two years. So it is saying "in less than two years". This is consistent with it being normally 20 full-moons or a few more full-moons in case the baby is born prematurely.
Equation
weight/pregnancy with him + 730 days (365 x 2) breast feeding = 30 monthsThe formula is wrong. There is no calendar system that has 280+730 = 1010 days in 30 months or 33.67 days per month.
30 full moons can vary
1 lunar month = 29.53059 days
29.53059 x 30 = 885.9177 days
29.53059 x 29 = 856.38711 days
Therefore, weight/pregnancy has to vary in equation to compensate
Woman 1 becomes pregnant day after full moon;
Weight/pregnancy with him = 886 ? 730 = 156 days
Woman 2 becomes pregnant day before full moon;
Weight/pregnancy with him = 856 ? 730 = 126 days
Regardless if 2 months early, 9 months, or month late, if both woman are pregnant equal #of days, it would contradict to state that one woman was burdened 29 days longer.You are describing the same type of problem faced by doctors when they try to determine the due date for delivery. The lunar cycle provides an approximate estimate because it follows a cycle that generally resembles the woman's menstrual cycle. Similarly, doctors don't calculate the due date from the time of conception but from the time of a woman's last menstruation. This plus the fact that the length of pregnancies vary is why when doctors give a woman her due date, they tell her that it can vary within +/-14 days of that date (in other words a 28 days spread, which is close to your 29).
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Kadeen,
ramadhan(scorching fullmoon) begins on the fullmoon after the summer solstice.(2185)
Yes, "shahr ramadhan" literally means "scorching full-moon".
The night of measure, is the night before the abstinence of the scorching moon(ramadhan) begins,Which lasts 10 days.
The night of measure is the night of the full-moon itself. the abstinance lasts for 10 days starting from the break of the day (dawn) following the night of measure.
Abstinence occurs during the daylight periods of the 10 day period. For those with non believing families or cant afford to stay the whole 10 days may stay 3 at the gathering and then abstain for 7 at home.2196
The "scorching full-moon" marks the abstinance while the next three moons are for marking the feast. 2196 talks about the feast/"hagg".
The months of restriction are four months,beginning with the scorching fullmoon.(the restriction is against hunting during those months)
The word "month" doesn't occur in the great reading. The word "shahr" means "full-moon" the period between four-full moons is 3 lunar "months".
The Gathering(hajj), last 10 days, Fullmoon to the crescent and occurs durig one or any of the last 3 restricted months.The gathering is to be attended by all believing families, but for those who dont have believing families, they can leave after 2/3 days.(2184; 2203)
Yes, the feast/"hagg" lasts from the full-moon to the crescent and is marked by the three inviolable full-moons following the scorching full-moon.
The year is solar and has 12 months.(936)
No solar year has 12 constant months. 936 is talking about "counting" exactly 12 full-moons every single year and therefore skip counting the occasional 13th full-moon that we would get every few years. This would automatically adjust the lunar cycle with the solar cycle so that the hunting restrictions are not violated.
Is umrah the lesser gathering and when should it be done? Can you explain to me 2196-197?
And perform Hajj (the gathering) and Umrah (lesser gathering?) for Allah; and if you are prevented, send sacrifice whatever is available; and do not shave your heads until the sacrifice reaches its destination; so whoever among you is sick or has an ailment in the head, must pay a compensation by fasting or charity or sacrifice; then when you are in peace - and whoever takes the advantage of combining the Hajj and Umrah, it is compulsory for him to sacrifice whatever is available; and whoever cannot afford it, must fast for three days while on the pilgrimage, and seven when you have returned to your homes; these are ten in all; this decree is for him who is not a resident of Mecca; and keep fearing Allah and know well that Allah?s punishment is severe.
The gathering(hajj) is during the well-known months; and for one who intends to perform the Hajj in it - neither is there to be mention of cohabitation in the presence of women, nor any sin, nor a fight with anyone till the completion of Hajj; and whatever good you do, Allah knows it; and take provision along with you for the best provision is piety; and keep fearing Me, O men of understanding!The word "hagg" means "feast" and "umrah" could be translated as something like "prosperity". So 2196 is talking about completing the feast and prosperity and enjoying/taking advantage of the feast and prosperity.
I know it says in 2185 that whoever witnesses the scorching moon should fast/abstain, does 2227 imply that even if we dont abstain, we should still attend the gathering(hajj)? It says it should be publicaly announced.
"And publicly announce the gathering(hajj) to all people ? they will come to you, on foot and on every lean she-camel, coming from every far distant journey."
In order that they may gain their benefit, and mention the name of Allah on the appointed days as He has bestowed the sustenance to them ? the inarticulate animals; therefore eat from them yourself and feed the distressed destitute.If I understood your question correctly, then yes we should try to attend the feast, even if we didn't abstain. Abstinance is a different exercise.
Peace,
Ayman