What is the difference between "Nissa, Amraat and Azwaj"
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Salaam Tlepsh
You are not at all mistaken. This is exactly how I undersatnd these verses.
If you read the whole thread, you will see that my post was directed to Mahar who sees that the term "nisaa'" ALWAYS mean women.Salaam Samia,
Thank you sister Samia. I know your post was directed to Mazhar. I have read the whole thread. I have also read your 3232 posts in all threads of Free Minds. You shall write more and more. Thanks once again. -
Quran has this claim about the language of Quran
Yes already posted why Quran was descended in Arabic?
26193-196 The spirit, the faithful, descended with it; on your heart/mind to be from the warners;with a clear Arabic language and that it truly is in the first's Books
4144 And if We made it a non-Arabic Quran, they would have said "If only its verses were detailed/explained. Is (it) a non-Arabic and an Arab (messenger)?"
"with a clear Arabic language";"If only its verses were detailed/explained" like words only convey a cursory image of what has been said and portrayed in Arabic words. means a language that makes everything distinct, evident, segregated, diferentiated so that for the reader no confusion is left to see and perceive. But people are bent upon even removing the distinction between a male and female; but even distinguishes matter as feminine or masculine which is the reality in physical terms too and helps know and understand the relationships.
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Salaam Samia,
Thank you sister Samia. I know your post was directed to Mazhar. I have read the whole thread. I have also read your 3232 posts in all threads of Free Minds. You shall write more and more. Thanks once again.Salaam Tlepsh
I am afraid I might have sounded a bit rude by saying my post was directed to Mazhar, which was not my intention at all. I meant it was in response to Mazhar's understanding of the word nisaa', not that no other response was welcome. Sorry for my bad expression.
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Sister I requested you to explain for my knowledge about hamza issue.
Sorry for the belated reply.
You are right in believing that "nisaa'" is a possible plural of "nuun seen wau", with the wau coming at the end of the word and following an extra alif, then it will be changed into a hamza.
But if we already have this plural in (niswa), why would the language cut another plural with the same meaning? Seebawayh tried to solve this problem by stating that "niswa" is for a fewer number of women, and "nisaa'" is for many. But we know this is incorrect, since the qur'aan stated (nisaa'an more than two), which is the minimum plural.
You may like to read further about the rules of all letters changing at this linkhttp//zahra1.com/Nah_Em_7att_balagah/E-e3lall.html
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Peace Tlepsh,
Peace Samia,
According to 9.60 sadaqa is given to
- The poor
- The needy
- Those who work to collect the sadaqa
- To free the slaves
- Those in depth
- In the cause of God
- The wayfarer
According to 4.127 nisaa? is composed of the following
- orphan?s mothers - yatama Nisaa?
- weak from the children - mustadafina min al-wildan
- orphans ? yatama
So the above three categories of nisaa? are given sadaqa (charity). On the other hand the women are given ujuur (payment).
49.11 The women are included in qawm. The nisaa? of verse 4.127 are not included in qawm. They are named separately as nisaa?. Men and women can be qawwam. Men and women can be part of the three catagories of nisaa? explained in 4.127.
3.61 The verbal noun ?ta3aluu? includes women and men. Nisaa? in this verse are the grand children including males and females. ?Abnaina and abnaiqum? are ?our children and your children including males and females?
24.31 Nisaa?uhunna in this verse is the same nisaa? as in verse 3.61
4.34 Is not a command or a statement that "men are qawwamuuna ala women". The ones (male or female)work, earn money, and spend it on the ones stay back at home (male or female) are named Rijal.
The ones who stay back at home (male or female) are called nisaa?Please correct me if I am mistaken
bravo bravo
Thank you and Samia for the excellent understanding.
God bless.
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Peace Samia,
According to 9.60 sadaqa is given to
- The poor
- The needy
- Those who work to collect the sadaqa
- To free the slaves
- Those in depth
- In the cause of God
- The wayfarer
According to 4.127 nisaa? is composed of the following
- orphan?s mothers - yatama Nisaa?
- weak from the children - mustadafina min al-wildan
- orphans ? yatama
So the above three categories of nisaa? are given sadaqa (charity). On the other hand the women are given ujuur (payment).
Kindly read it critically and please tell me what is the resemblence beetween both the two? Orphans mothers who are being termed yatama Nisaa fall in what category in 7 above.
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Can any body explain the red part?
2232 When ye divorce women, and they fulfil the term of their ('Iddat), do not prevent them from marrying their husbands (Azwajehunna), if they mutually agree on equitable terms. This instruction is for all amongst you, who believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is (the course Making for) most virtue and purity amongst you and Allah knows, and ye know not.
Is it remarrying an ex husband?
siki
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Can any body explain the red part?
2232 When ye divorce women, and they fulfil the term of their ('Iddat), do not prevent them from marrying their husbands (Azwajehunna), if they mutually agree on equitable terms. This instruction is for all amongst you, who believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is (the course Making for) most virtue and purity amongst you and Allah knows, and ye know not.
Is it remarrying an ex husband?
siki
Yes.
I think this verse proves that divorce is not to be performed by men on their own, but by council or any authority. This verse is addressing this authority. -
Can any body explain the red part?
2232 When ye divorce women, and they fulfil the term of their ('Iddat), do not prevent them from marrying their husbands (Azwajehunna), if they mutually agree on equitable terms. This instruction is for all amongst you, who believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is (the course Making for) most virtue and purity amongst you and Allah knows, and ye know not.
Is it remarrying an ex husband?
siki
yes unless you are a sunni
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I do not know if I have wrong lexicon or you guys have different version. Nisa's root to be Nun-Siin-Waw. Here is relavent page from Lane.
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume8/00000287.pdf
If it is Nun-Siin-Alif/Ayan
Here are relavent pages,http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume8/00000039.pdf
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume8/00000040.pdfPlease tell me how come women is the obvious meaning.
Peace and love.
Badar
Assalam Aalaikum @Badar
Badar the obvious meaning is derived from this ayah Sura Nisa 4.1 where Allah,swt defines
from that soul countless men and women / and baththa minhuma rijalan katheeran wa nisa'a /
baththa / Allah has dispersed, is a verbal form V (reciprocal), 'pointing' to the 'source', of 'one single soul' / nafsin wahidatin / which is grammatically feminine
min-huma is a dual, masculine and feminine pronoun reference that governs and defines rijalan / and nisa'a / as Men and Women, respectively.
Grammatical confirmation that rijalan / and nisa'a / are Men and Women,
rijalan / is a broken plural, masculine
nisa?a / is feminine singular, indicated by the feminine marker, extended alif & hamza /
The feminine form of rajul / rijal / rajula(tun) = "a woman" is NOT in the Quran. Nor is it used in 'Classical' Arabic or 'Standard' Arabic.
The individual who continues to suggest that 'rajul' means 'feet walk, etc.', does NOT realize that rajul / rajil are Active Participle's. Nor does the individual know the difference between a Verb, Verbal Noun and Active Participle as it relates to the word.
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Thanks for detailed reply. Please bring a linguistic referance, suggesting that actually was oppsite of as male and female. Love and peace.
Badar
has no feminine marker, thus its masculine, its again a 'broken plural', denoted by the after meaning 'Men'
In Sura Al-Baqarah 2.282 we see another form of the Active Participle 'Rajul' means to 'walk, step, come'
rajul-ayni (dual, male & female) farajulun / = Urge witnesses to come forward (male & female)
will always be Nisa'i and mean 'Women', again the extended alif with hamza is the feminine marker
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Thank you for keeping the discussion on linguistic grounds only. You are mixing up several issues here. Before I discuss the issue of . Please give a lexical referance showing that roots of Nun Siin Waw or Nun Siin Alif ( roots for) even come close to implying a lexical meaning of women in general as an opposite for men, except may be a pregnant women under Nun Siin Alif.
Badar
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Thank you for keeping the discussion on linguistic grounds only. You are mixing up several issues here. Before I discuss the issue of . Please give a lexical referance showing that roots of Nun Siin Waw or Nun Siin Alif ( roots for) even come close to implying a lexical meaning of women in general as an opposite for men, except may be a pregnant women under Nun Siin Alif.
Badar
Assalaam Alaikum
The 'mixing' seems to be on your part.
Plural for 'Women' is its root is derived from insu'un / & insa'a un / which both mean 'male human being'
Then further decomposed to.....
insi / (feminine & masculine) means human beings, plural; Root word anisa See Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. Page 38-39 (anisa)
Im not sure why this intent on making Nisa'a refer to Men and Women, when Allah has defined the word as referring to Women, period.
Same question as it relates to raja-lun / rija-lan, why this fixation on changing the meaning from Men to include Women?
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Salaamun All,
Yes.
I think this verse proves that divorce is not to be performed by men on their own, but by council or any authority. This verse is addressing this authority.I did not understand this. Can you please spread some more light and explain me. And also what is your understanding about 2230?
Take care...
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See Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. Page 38-39. Nobody consider this as a lexicon of Classic Arabic. It incorporates lexical meanings of Modren Arabic, not the same language. The Classic Arabic as a spoken language is dead, means no body speaks and understands it. Yes even natives. However, the language is preserved well in script. Please try to understand this and do not try to put meanings to the words that Rab did not intend.
Now tell me what grammatical rules are applied to root to make it . Peace and love.
Badar