Good news for all messengers.:)
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Peace Belalhammad,
That is another case of word-confusion. That verse (3945) clearly says "allahu wahdahu", or "GOD ALONE", and if anything, it proves my point even moreso. The words "alqurani wahdahu" (1746) translate to "the quran alone"...
Peace,
Ahmad, I need to ask you a question so I can understand what you mean
If the verse to say " And when you recite Allah, using THE QURAN ALONE (alqurani wahdahu), they run away in aversion", Do you mean that we, as believers, we should ignore when God is mientioned in the Bible and Torah?
The reason I'm saying this is because your translation can be understood that God's name is only mentioned in the "Quran Alone". -
peace all
there is no conflict.
God orders us to believe in all the scriptures, and we must obey without much ado. However, it is more than enough to impart God's message to humanity using the quran alone. after all, the quran confirms the previous scriptures. Since it confirms the previous scriptures, it follows that whatever is in the quran is in the previous scriptures.
it does not work the other way around though. we still have to determine if what is "now contained" in the previous scriptures is in the quran.
may God increase our knowledge.
peace.
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Peace Belalhammad,
If the verse to say " And when you recite Allah, using THE QURAN ALONE (alqurani wahdahu), they run away in aversion", Do you mean that we, as believers, we should ignore when God is mientioned in the Bible and Torah?
The reason I'm saying this is because your translation can be understood that God's name is only mentioned in the "Quran Alone".No, that's not what I'm saying. GOD's name is mentioned plenty of times in the Torah, and it is proclaimed in the Gospel as well. This is an undenied fact. However, since the Quran confirms and supercedes the previous scriptures, "alqurani wahdahu" is the only source we need for religious guidance. This is emphasized in the preceding verse as well
He is glorified by the seven universes and the earth and who is in them, and there is not a thing but it glorifies His praise, but you do not understand their glorification. He is Compassionate, Forgiving. And when you study the Quran, We place between you and between those who do not believe in the Hereafter an invisible barrier. (1744, 45)
GOD's name is glorified in the Torah and Gospel, but it is also glorified throughout the universe. This can even be used as indirect evidence of the number "19" being used throughout the creation, viewed by some as "GOD's signature". So, everything proclaims GOD's glory and reminds us of our great creator. However, in 1746, it speaks of us mentioning Him in "alqurani wahdahu", making this the only source of religious guidance we should use.
Peace The Seeker,
God orders us to believe in all the scriptures, and we must obey without much ado. However, it is more than enough to impart God's message to humanity using the quran alone. after all, the quran confirms the previous scriptures. Since it confirms the previous scriptures, it follows that whatever is in the quran is in the previous scriptures.
it does not work the other way around though. we still have to determine if what is "now contained" in the previous scriptures is in the quran.
I agree with you - the Quran is more than enough as a religious source. The Quran recites the previous scripture, and that's how it's confirmed. It doesn't mean we have to examine the Torah to see what it says, and then to follow those things, though. None of that is necessary. Everything we need from the Torah and Gospel is contained in the Quran, and in this sense, following the Quran IS following the Torah and the Gospel. May GOD lead us to understand His scripture. Surely, He is the most knowledgeable and wise.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace Belalhammad,
That is another case of word-confusion. That verse (3945) clearly says "allahu wahdahu", or "GOD ALONE", and if anything, it proves my point even moreso. The words "alqurani wahdahu" (1746) translate to "the quran alone"...
Peace,
Ahmad
Peace brother Bilal
I want to make my position clear... I believe that the only source of deen is Al-Quran alone and no other books should mingle with it...
That said... I still disapprove your translation of the above verse since Grammar-wise it is INCORRECT... Arabic grammar is derived from the Quran itself... So it cannot be incorrect... The translation you are giving (quran alone) is more of YOUR INTERPRETATION of the verse and NOT THE WORD FOR WORD translation...
However, I AGREE with your interpretation too... The words has been ARRANGED by ALLAH the MOST-WISE to convey both message at the same time... QURAN ALONE through the direct wording/translation and GOD ALONE through the interpretation/reference... I think you should agree on this one...
I give you another instance of similar double meanings from the Quran...
22 ZAALIKAL KITAABOU LAA RAYBA FIIHI HOUDAL LIL MOUTAQEEN
You can translate this verse in 2 ways...
- This is the book in which there is no doubt, guidance for the moutaqeen
- This in the book that has no doubt; in it there is guidance for the mutaqeen
It depends to which word you are attaching the preposition IN/FII ...
Though they both convey the same message...
So bro Bilal, I think you should always give correct word for word translation first, that is grammatically correct, then you share interpretation/opinion and insights separately.... peace
Regards
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This is how it should have been written it it was attached to Al-Quraani...
Peace
Oldest copy of Quran has no punctuation sign as vowels. Don?t you think that due to believing in Hadith just by changing E to O which is not effecting word structure causing such situation?
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Oldest copy of Quran has no punctuation sign as vowels. Don?t you think that due to believing in Hadith just by changing E to O which is not effecting word structure causing such situation?
Peace.Peace bro...
Did I spoke about hadith?? I was only talking about arabic grammar and the rules... But no worries, I do not take fixed positions, infact I am doing some more research on this and will share my findings GW...
Regards
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Peace WayFinder,
The problem is that vocalization marks were added to alquran later and are purely man made. So the dispute is not whether wahdahu can be attached to alqurani because it cannot. The dispute is whether it is "wahdahu" or "wahdihi". The context is used also to determine the correct meaning, so in such a case of dispute over the vocalization marks, the context is what determines the true vocalization.
If you go through my previous post and see the context of 1746 that I quoted, it is crystal clear that in 1746 it can only be "wahdahu" meaning Lord alone, and not "wahdihi" meaning Quran alone. The whole passage is about "tawheed"/oneness of God as opposed to other gods besides Him. This is also supported when you compare 1741 with 1746 which are similar implying Lord alone.
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Peace bro...
Did I spoke about hadith?? I was only talking about arabic grammar and the rules... But no worries, I do not take fixed positions, infact I am doing some more research on this and will share my findings GW.
RegardsPeace
I did not mean you I say in general that simply by changing a wovel outside of word the meaning of it can be change. Like Motaham or Motahem I can not remeber but one is accused of guily person and other one means proved guilty.
GW when you finish your search and let truth seekers witness fact.
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Peace WayFinder,
The problem is that vocalization marks were added to alquran later and are purely man made. So the dispute is not whether wahdahu can be attached to alqurani because it cannot. The dispute is whether it is "wahdahu" or "wahdihi". The context is used also to determine the correct meaning, so in such a case of dispute over the vocalization marks, the context is what determines the true vocalization.
If you go through my previous post and see the context of 1746 that I quoted, it is crystal clear that in 1746 it can only be "wahdahu" meaning Lord alone, and not "wahdihi" meaning Quran alone. The whole passage is about "tawheed"/oneness of God as opposed to other gods besides Him. This is also supported when you compare 1741 with 1746 which are similar implying Lord alone.
Peace
Here you read Christians criticism showing how the meaning of words can be changed by altering the letters same shape like Ba Tah Sa or Jeem .Hah, kha ??ra za ?.but their claim has no base when code 19 in those 29 chapters sealing words .
But vocalization is not protected by code as later was added to Quran.
What would be wrong if we write Wahidi ?
I am learning .
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Peace
Here you read Christians criticism showing how the meaning of words can be changed by altering the letters same shape like Ba Tah Sa or Jeem .Hah, kha ??ra za ?.but their claim has no base when code 19 in those 29 chapters sealing words .
But vocalization is not protected by code as later was added to Quran.
What would be wrong if we write Wahidi ?
I am learning .
Peace.These guys are totally neglecting that the main form of preservation was through memorization... When we have hundreds or thousands of people reciting the very same text and they all tally to one another... then putting the diacritics on the alphabets is not a big deal at all... Memorization of the holy quran is still a very common practice in the muslim ummah till now and we have tens of thousands of huffaaz(memorisers) walking on the face of this earth... Will they neglect this fact ?
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Peace WayFinder,
That said... I still disapprove your translation of the above verse since Grammar-wise it is INCORRECT... Arabic grammar is derived from the Quran itself... So it cannot be incorrect... The translation you are giving (quran alone) is more of YOUR INTERPRETATION of the verse and NOT THE WORD FOR WORD translation...
What exactly do you mean by saying that Arabic grammar is derived from the Quran?
The words has been ARRANGED by ALLAH the MOST-WISE to convey both message at the same time... QURAN ALONE through the direct wording/translation and GOD ALONE through the interpretation/reference...
I agree with the message of GOD ALONE, but I still have to disagree on your translation. You may be correct, though, in saying that possibly GOD, who is the most wise, placed these words together to refer to both meanings. However, in the message saying "QURAN ALONE", it is still alluding to this fact, since the Quran proclaims the message of worshipping GOD ALONE...
Peace Truthseeker,
If you go through my previous post and see the context of 1746 that I quoted, it is crystal clear that in 1746 it can only be "wahdahu" meaning Lord alone, and not "wahdihi" meaning Quran alone. The whole passage is about "tawheed"/oneness of God as opposed to other gods besides Him. This is also supported when you compare 1741 with 1746 which are similar implying Lord alone.
This is also incorrect. I already posted 1744 and 45, and they are speaking of the universes glorifying GOD, and they lead up to Him mentioning the Quran, saying that He places a barrier between those who read it with understanding and those who reject it's message. If 1746 was saying "Lord alone in the Quran", it would say "rabbaka wahdahu fee alquran". So, if GOD was speaking about another reference to the Lord alone (or God alone), then why doesn't He say this? Instead, He attaches the word to the Quran, saying "rabbaka fee alqurani wahdahu". Why do you think this is done?
Peace,
Ahmad
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Memorization of the holy quran is still a very common practice in the muslim ummah till now and we have tens of thousands of huffaaz(memorisers) walking on the face of this earth... Will they neglect this fact ?
Peace
First they are not Muslim they are Mohammedans. Then is not practical to bring those ten thousands as witness for accuracy of verses when such forging is on the line. At the end how many can understand the Arabic grammars, root of words , spelling ....etc. hence all they need to see proof by Miracle on this screnn is knowing how to +-/* 1-9 .
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First they are not Muslim they are Mohammedans. Then is not practical to bring those ten thousands as witness for accuracy of verses when such forging is on the line. At the end how many can understand the Arabic grammars, root of words , spelling ....etc. hence all they need to see proof by Miracle on this screnn is knowing how to +-/* 1-9 .
Peace.Peace,
They dont call themselves "Mohammedans" the least you could do is describe in a way that you and they would agree, not some name that is made up. They follow Quran + Hadith.
So refer to them as Muslims who follow Quran + Hadith instead of using the term "Mohammedans" which is very offensive and rude.
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Peace,
They dont call themselves "Mohammedans" the least you could do is describe in a way that you and they would agree, not some name that is made up. They follow Quran + Hadith.
So refer to them as Muslims who follow Quran + Hadith instead of using the term "Mohammedans" which is very offensive and rude.
PeacePeace
Mohammedan (variant forms Muhammadan, Mahommedan or Mahometan) is a term used as both a noun and an adjective meaning belonging or relating to either the religion of Islam or to that of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad.
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I did not mean you I say in general that simply by changing a wovel outside of word the meaning of it can be change. Like Motaham or Motahem I can not remeber but one is accused of guily person and other one means proved guilty.
GW when you finish your search and let truth seekers witness fact.
Peace.Peace Brothers/Sisters
I performed some research regard the verse 1749 whether the WAHDAHOU in the verse is used for Allah or for the Quran... My earlier position was that WAHDAHOO is for Allah and in the verse, it should be translated GOD ALONE and not QURAN ALONE... According to grammar rules... I did not deeper research on this we could not reach an agreement and my research lead me to conclude that INDEED, WAHDAHOO is being used for Allah and not for the Quran... I will expose my findings here and anyone can reply me on this....
First and foremost, I would like you to ask yourself this question... DO YOU THINK THERE ARE COINCIDENCE IN THE QURAN? For example, regarding the use of words, the placement of these words as well as the number these words has been used all over the Quran...
My personal answer to this question... I firmly believe that there is NO SUCH COINCIDENCE in the Quran and everything presented in it, in whichever way, has a purpose... and meaningS....
So regarding WAHDAHOO....
My first step is to go through the Quran index (Mo3JAM AL MUFAHRIS) and to look for HOW MANY TIMES the word WAHDAHOO has been used and the most important one, HOW IS HAS BEEN USED...
The word WAHDAHOO has been used 6 times exactly all over the Quran in the following verses... 770/1746/3945/4012/4084/604
770 They answered "Hast thou come to us that we worship God alone, and give up all that our forefathers were wont to worship? Bring about, then, that with which thou hast threatened us, if thou art a man of truth!"
1746 for, over their hearts We have laid veils which prevent them from grasping its purport, and into their ears, deafness. And so, whenever thou dost mention, while reciting the Qur'an, thy Sustainer as the one and only Divine Being, they turn their backs in aversion.
3945 And yet, whenever God alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who will not believe in the life to come contract with bitter aversion - whereas, when those are mentioned side by side with Him, lo, they rejoice!
4012 This because, whenever the One God was invoked, you denied this truth; whereas, when divinity was ascribed to aught beside Him, you believed ! But all judgment rests with God, the Exalted, the Great!
4084 And then, when they beheld Our punishment, they said We have come to believe in the One God, and we have renounced all belief in that to which we were wont to ascribe a share in His divinity!
604 Indeed, you have had a good example in Abraham and those who followed him, when they said unto their people "Verily, we are quit of you and of all that you worship instead of God we deny the truth of whatever you believe; and between us and you there has arisen enmity and hatred, to last until such a time as you come to believe in the One God!" The only exception was Abraham's saying to his father "I shall indeed pray for forgiveness for thee, although I have it not in my power to obtain anything from God in thy behalf." "O our Sustainer! In Thee have we placed our trust, and unto Thee do we turn for unto Thee is all journeys' end.
If you read these verses and study it, you will immediately notice that in each and every instance the word WAHDAHOO is being used, it is attached to GOD... In all 6 instances... So do you think it is a coincidence.... and 1746 should stand out of the crowd... and wahdahoo being attach to Quran.... This is definitely not the case according to the way Allah has used the word WAHDAHOO in all these 6 times...
Those who do programming will know that there are RESERVE WORDS which cannot be used to identify other variables... For me, it seem that WAHDAHOO is reserved only to be used with GOD since ISLAM is about worshipping ONE AND ONLY GOD and not associating anything with it... Therefore, WAHDAHOO which means HIM ALONE is being used with GOD all over the Quran... Look for yourself and see if you can find other verses where WAHDAHOO is being used with something else... I challenge you that you will not find any... )
I have taken a big RISK here by saying the ALLAH uses WAHDAHOO for him alone... I came to this conclusion because I did not find other cases of the noun WAHD being used in the QURAN except like WAHDAHOO... there is NO WAHDAHAA,WAHDANAA,WAHDAKA,WAHDAKI,WAHDAHOUMAA and so on... ONLY ONLY WAHDAHOO is present in the QURAN... You think its a coincidence? ...
So my findings regarding the WAHDAHOO issue is as follows, every single instance where WAHDAHOO is being used by GOD, it is been used to refer to HIM ALONE and not anyone/anything else...
These findings are based on the Quran and it use as a SELF REFERENCE GUIDE.... So remember my first question... DO YOU BELIEVE IN COINCIDENCES IN THE QURAN??
Another proof of how the Quran explains itself and erase all confusion that might arouse....
Allah knows best...
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Peace WayFinder,
I would like you to ask yourself this question... DO YOU THINK THERE ARE COINCIDENCE IN THE QURAN? For example, regarding the use of words, the placement of these words as well as the number these words has been used all over the Quran...
The word WAHDAHOO has been used 6 times exactly all over the Quran in the following verses... 770/1746/3945/4012/4084/604
I agree with you on one issue - I don't believe there are any coincidences in GOD's message. In the passages you posted, it is plainly clear of the position of the word "wahdahu" throughout the text, and it is always attached to GOD Himself, never to anything else. The EXCEPTION is 1746. In this verse, there is a clear distinguishment of the words, and if GOD wanted to use another reference to "GOD ALONE", it would've been written just like the other instances. But instead, it says "alqurani wahdahu", when it could say "rabbaka wahdahu" or "allahu wahdahu". The question is DO YOU THINK THIS IS A COINCIDENCE?
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace;
I posted the verse that supports my opinion; it is a very well-established verse.
Moreover, I do not see any story about a Female Messanger or Prophet in Quran; the Frequancy of Male Prophet (or Messanger) Vs Female is 100% to 0%. Moreover, due to the hardship (physically and psychologically) that Messangers face, and due to God Mercy, Females were not choosen to perform such duties. If you think otherwise, please provide well-established verses that are stronger in meaning than 6-9.Salam
Maryam,as was inspired by Jibriil,as revealing the Kalam of Allah
Saba / Sheba was given the Kitab from Sulaiman,as and was blessed by Allah,swt with TWO Gardens
Anyone who conveys the ayahs of Allah is a Messenger....
These are the Signs of Allah. we rehearse them to you in truth. verily YOU ARE ONE OF THE MESSENGERS.
By the Qur'an, full of Wisdom,-
You are indeed one of the Messengers, / Innaka lamina almursaleenaInnaka (2nd person, singular pronoun ئ means YOU
Read Your Quran
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Maryam,as was inspired by Jibriil,as revealing the Kalam of Allah
Saba / Sheba was given the Kitab from Sulaiman,as and was blessed by Allah,swt with TWO Gardens
Anyone who conveys the ayahs of Allah is a Messenger....
These are the Signs of Allah. we rehearse them to you in truth. verily YOU ARE ONE OF THE MESSENGERS.
By the Qur'an, full of Wisdom,-
You are indeed one of the Messengers, / Innaka lamina almursaleenaInnaka (2nd person, singular pronoun ئ means YOU
Read Your Quran
Peace,
I agree with you and why would God only prefer male messengers?
If He says that both male and females are equals then it would be equal in who can be a messenger also.And Maryam and Queen of Sheba was indeed women )
Maria
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First and foremost, I would like you to ask yourself this question... DO YOU THINK THERE ARE COINCIDENCE IN THE QURAN? For example, regarding the use of words, the placement of these words as well as the number these words has been used all over the Quran...
My personal answer to this question... I firmly believe that there is NO SUCH COINCIDENCE in the Quran and everything presented in it, in whichever way, has a purpose... and meaningS....I agree with you and nothing is coincidence , even presence of all members and those read these posts . Each of us come from different back ground and environment and destined to be here and even writing these letters pro or against creation is not coincidence.
I am in middle of creating a youtube clip for following
Now we have a book that do not need to know Arabic or even read the context to accept the truth.
The proof of book before even reading it just by using number of chapters, verses and other numerical properties. There IS NO EXCUSE FOR THOSE THAT SAY IT IS MATHEMATIC AND THEY CAN NOT UNDERSTAND IT. Simple as much that a prime school student can understand it. But no human can author such book.
Now we go inside book we witness all those numbers designated by special design and is not coincidence.
Look at your list of verses.
Only 5 of them are same even for none Arabic can see it
5 times
And 6th time is
We do not see same word for butNow code 19 is declaring that the 5 times has same meaning when we add
7+70+39+45+40+12+40+84+60+4=361=19 x19
adding single digits(casting out) of these numbers come to= 68 ( chapter 68 133 NUN ) and 6+8=7 pairs 14 initials in 14 sets a
remember that those verses are located in different places but merge into other verses as complete message. Imagine we have a jig saw puzzle with 6346 pieces locked into each other presenting a very nice image. No piece can be relocated ,add or deduct. Now imagine that each of these pieces have a number in back (chapter and verse number) and no we have only 5 pieces among 6346 which their total is 19 x19 = 361=3+6+1= 1+0=1Do you not realize that GOD knows everything in the heavens and everything on earth? No three people can conspire secretly without Him being their fourth, nor five without Him being the sixth, nor less than that, nor more, without Him being there with them wherever they may be. Then, on the Day of Resurrection, He will inform them of everything they had done. GOD is fully aware of all things. 587
Six is authored in GR ?Quran? only 7 times specifically only for creation of six days (stages)of creation of 7 Universes
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8010604005110140
16 digits
is multiple of 1919 x6=114 chapters
754,103,117,2559,324, 5038, 574
7+54+10+3+11+7+25+59+32+4+50+38+57+4
Total 19 x19 =361 =1
Same total for God Alone.
Casting out those numbers =19
Ot is amazing that same number is sealing 2 ends of these numbers 4-5-7 which casting out of them is 7
7 x19 =133 NUN
and more GW soon will be published.
Do you think ALL THOSE ARE COINCIDENCE and THIS ONE is Designed ?
Peace.