Muhammad is a White Man?
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That again is a very wide and and elastic statement which does not convey any real information or data.
On the other hand it is well known that slaves in the Muslim empires were of any colour or race, not particularly blacks or Africans.
Salaam
Salaam Huruf
Are you aware of the "Arab Slave Trade" where Arabs who were European conqueres enslaved Africans? You can go to the website
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Peace Al Khidr,
Wow... That website was truly an eye-opener. I'd heard claims from others regarding the complexions of the prophets, and I've even read some fabricated writings concerning some of the prophets being white. However, this is the first time I heard that accusation pointed at Mohammed. The website and videos were very informative. Thanks, and GOD bless...
Peace,
Ahmad
Salaam Ahmad Bilal
Thank you very much
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Salaam progod
"Europeans recieved African slaves from other Africans mainly."
Why it does not surprice me to hear this from you. What you have presented here is a fallacy of the hightest degree. Africans did not
enslave themselves. There are actually a lot of people who says this but this is pure distortion of African History. Before the Arab slave trade
the Romans and Greeks also enslaved Egyptians who were Africans. Compare progods video to the video on the website I provided and also
check out true African scholars such ascheikh anta diop
Ashra Kwesi
Dr. Ben Jochanin
Dr. Henry Clark
Malcolm X
Khallid MuhammadJust to name a few because none of them teach that Africans sold themselves into slavery, this is a myth.
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Asalaam Aalaikum
Brotha Khidr
Where can we find the descendants of the the enslaved Africans taken by Arabs from the Arab Peninsula, speaking the Arabiyyan Saudi?
As we know, language is a clear indicator as to whether one was enslaved and brought from another land and assimilated with their oppressors language and customs.
Where can we make this determination regarding descendants of the enslaved Africans, country and language.
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Asalaam Aalaikum
Brotha Khidr
Where can we find the descendants of the the enslaved Africans taken by Arabs from the Arab Peninsula, speaking the Arabiyyan Saudi?
As we know, language is a clear indicator as to whether one was enslaved and brought from another land and assimilated with their oppressors language and customs.
Where can we make this determination regarding descendants of the enslaved Africans, country and language.
Salaam
Africa was conquered, colonized, under developed, enslaved by the entire Eurpoean continant, they all had their hands in this.
To demonstrate how powerful this was, they renamed the continant that we call "Africa" today. Africa is a Greek name and it
was named after a European explorer by the name of Africanos (hopefully I spelled it right) and they renamed the
countries in Africa. They shipped Africans as slaves every where America, Brazil, West Indies, Jamaica, just to name a few. -
Nobody is talking about slaves in Muslim Empires. I was talking about the fact that Arab slave merchants were the ones who initially sold African slaves to Europeans. Duh!
have you seen a TV series KUNTA KUNTI a story of black slave girl in that series they have shown that the African slaves were kidnapped by american and europian marchands from Africa.
http//www.nps.gov/history/delta/underground/slave.htm
http//cghs.dadeschools.net/african-american/europe/slave_trade.htm
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Salaam Al Khidr,
Adam, according to the Qur'an, was indeed a black man. However, theoretically, all men stemmed from Adam, and everyone on the earth is part of his progeny; this also includes the European settlers and nations. So, where do you think the racial divide came from? If all men were originally black people (Nubians), how did white people get here? Are they from another progeny outside of Adam and Eve? Although it's easy to assume that the black Nubians migrated to different parts of the world, becoming isolated from the sun and paling their skin, and developing different languages, as many scientists today claim, there are clear distinguishments between blacks and whites that far surpass the color of skin; their behaviors are completely different as well. In many cases, Nubians and Caucasians (Europeans) seem like completely different species. What do you consider to be the stem of this racial divide, and why do you think black people and white people are so different from one another?
Peace,
Ahmad
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Salaam Al Khidr,
Adam, according to the Qur'an, was indeed a black man. However, theoretically, all men stemmed from Adam, and everyone on the earth is part of his progeny; this also includes the European settlers and nations. So, where do you think the racial divide came from? If all men were originally black people (Nubians), how did white people get here? Are they from another progeny outside of Adam and Eve? Although it's easy to assume that the black Nubians migrated to different parts of the world, becoming isolated from the sun and paling their skin, and developing different languages, as many scientists today claim, there are clear distinguishments between blacks and whites that far surpass the color of skin; their behaviors are completely different as well. In many cases, Nubians and Caucasians (Europeans) seem like completely different species. What do you consider to be the stem of this racial divide, and why do you think black people and white people are so different from one another?
Peace,
Ahmad
http//www.adamwasblack.org/
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Salaam
Africa was conquered, colonized, under developed, enslaved by the entire Eurpoean continant, they all had their hands in this.
To demonstrate how powerful this was, they renamed the continant that we call "Africa" today. Africa is a Greek name and it
was named after a European explorer by the name of Africanos (hopefully I spelled it right) and they renamed the
countries in Africa. They shipped Africans as slaves every where America, Brazil, West Indies, Jamaica, just to name a few.Khidr, Where are these descendants of enslaved Africans, who speak the Saudi Arabian Peninsula Arabic dialect and customs?
Examples We have descendants of African slaves speaking English, French, Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch and following Christianity of those who enslaved them.
Where can we find Arabic speaking descendants of African slaves, who have adopted the language, customs and attitudes of Semetic Arabs of the Arabian peninsula?
Where is this country?
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Peace,
Muslim truth revealed. The Black Iraqis and Black palestinans are examples of the remnants of slaves brought to Arabia. There is a tv show I watch sometimes on al-iraqiyah and there is a black iraqi who plays a leading role on that show. If you watch al-jazeerah enough you will see a number of black saudis as well. THe saudi finance minister I believe is a black guy. I've also had iraqi professors who have told me that there are a number of black iraqis in Iraq. They are remnants of the east african slave population brought to Iraq, and in particular Basrah. The scholar Al-Jahiz was a son of African slaves from the Zanj (Zanzibar coast) brought to Iraq.
As for black palestinians here is a youtube video
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0mTObxvXVQ
Black Mahra Yemenis are actually not of slave origin. They are natives to Yemen.
Al-Khidr it is unfortnate that two black people who both believe in the upliftment of the righteous and oppressed people as well as the truth being told about the extent of the black influence world wide, in the ancient and the modern world, have to fight with each other. I find you to be excessively agressive and also excessively imaginary in your conclusions about Arabs and Africans at times. Pale Arabs are not from Europe although they might have a few European ancestors brought into the area as slaves but pale Arabs are not Europeans, because they are not from Europe. Caucasian would be a better epithet because whiter Arabs have their ancestry in peoples from the Caucasus and Russia, not Europe. And the fact is that Africans did enslave themsleves. Your wording is all wrong because we are not saying that the same Africans that ended up being slaves enslaved their very selves. What I am saying is that the African empires in their expansions sold off their African enemies and competitions as slaves who usually ended up on the coast to be sold to Europeans (white only) or Arabs (light, black, red and brown).
If you think Africans are immune to greed, selfishness and evil, go to Africa today and look at the African leaders today. You may say they are being manipulated by Europeans and that is probably more fact than false but the many Africans that are accomplices to injustice in Africa and the Americas today makes it clear that Africans have and will continue to play their negative roles (as well as positive) in the world. Like every other people. Go out in the streets and look at American blacks. Even look at the nation. There are too many corrupt people in the world black, and every other ethnicity to expect a utopian community from any particular ethnicity.
To copy your style of speaking, the pale European was not able to conquer Africa until Africa had hurt itself through greed and imprudent and unregulated trade of its human resources to the point where the empires that kept the pale Europeans from stepping a foot on Africa couldn't defend themselves and were left to petty fights among struggling city-states and empires/dynasties. That is why the Europeans came in and were ablet o colonize and abuse Africa. And by that time the Europeans weren't interested in trading slaves in Africa but in conquering, pillaging, stealing and erasing and rewriting Africa's real history. That is the truth, believe it or not. Call me an uncle tom or not.
Check these videos out http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyg-djdY1MA
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KviYVVILzgDespite Africans selling other Africans into slavery they had no idea of how the Europeans would end up treating those Africans. In Africa slavery was not chattel slavery and more like indentured servitude where slaves where still human beings and also had rights. But as Samia said the Quran outlaws the making of new slaves, and encourages the freedom of current slaves. So even though Africans sold other Africans into slavery that does not absolve the Europeans from how they treated African slaves (and the children of Africans) in Europe and the Americas once recieved. Unfortunately African Muslims as traders played a big role in the enslavement of non-Muslim African ethnicities. Maybe that's where the Arab enslavement of African comes from. They were not Arabs enslaveing African but there were deal of African Muslims enslaving other non-Muslim African ethnicities. It's wrong and un-quranic but since when have Muslims been immune to corruption, evil and ignoring the book they claim to follow?
By the way that wanna be Arab you have on your webste is a sad site indeed. But that type of talk is all through the hadeeth. I read one that said that the prophet was the best of his family, his clan the Quraysh, and the Quraysh were the best of the Mudar (a tribe the Quraysh are included in) and the Mudar are the best of the Arabs and the Arabs are the best of mankind.
I don't agree with everything Khalid says either though. His analysis of Ka'ba is pure imagination and this attempt to make the Arabs white and European is a blanket and wrong generalization. Funnily it's the same thing the Europeans do to try to claim that the Arab civilization is really white civilization.
All of the above (from Quraysh to Ka'ba and European Arabs) is pure crap (forgive the expression). Especially compared to what the Quran and history and a little bit of observation says but atleast we know that the Hadeeth are rumor and Quranically unauthentic (except for the Mutawaatir (which would be Quranically authentic rumor) which I haven't had a chance to fully examine yet).
Godbless,
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Peace Samia,
Because there was more than one "adam"
How can this be? Throughout the Quran, the man Adam is spoken of as being "one person" with one wife. Also, 7189 mentions all men and women stemming from one man/soul/self/person. So, how can there be more than one "Adam"?
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace Samia,
How can this be? Throughout the Quran, the man Adam is spoken of as being "one person" with one wife. Also, 7189 mentions all men and women stemming from one man/soul/self/person. So, how can there be more than one "Adam"?
Peace,
Ahmad
1528-29; 3871-72 "When your Lord said to the malaa'ika I have created a "bashar" from clay/clay of altered mud. So when I fashion him in his final shape and blow into him of my "ruu7", fall down in rostration to him". They prostrated to the result of this alteration in the bashar The insaanadam. Do you think from all the bashar in existance then, God made only one adam? And BTW, bashar is spoken of as a singular masculine. Does this mean there were no females among those bashar?
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I personally think Adam like Bashar means Humanity. By the way Samia you might want to retranslate altered mud into black mud (hama'. Although my only issue would be accurate translation, you might make Al-Khidr go crazy for not saying black mud.
Godbless,
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I personally think Adam like Bashar means Humanity. By the way Samia you might want to retranslate altered mud into black mud (hama'. Although my only issue would be accurate translation, you might make Al-Khidr go crazy for not saying black mud.
Godbless,
AnwarLol...I just copied the translation and only concentrated on bashar and adam. Yes, if I translated it myself I would say black mud which is more accurate, I just did not want to make belal hamad go crazy ;D
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Assalaam Alaikum @progod
Thank you for your response.
@Progod, 'Iraqis' and 'Palestinians' are NOT 'Arabs'....by lineage or bloodline
Iraqi's can be traced back to Chaeldeans, who enslaved everyone, and by the way they were 'black'.
Reference 'Slavery In Babylonia' by Dandadev
http//palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_name_origin.php
The name Palestine refers to a region of the eastern Mediterranean coast from the sea to the Jordan valley and from the southern Negev desert to the Galilee lake region in the north. The word itself derives from "Plesheth", a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as "Philistine". Plesheth, (root palash) was a general term meaning rolling or migratory. This referred to the Philistine's invasion and conquest of the coast from the sea. The Philistines were not Arabs nor even Semites, they were most closely related to the Greeks originating from Asia Minor and Greek localities. They did not speak Arabic. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs.
'Palestinian' is also a 'mandated' term derived from the 'British Mandate of Palestine'
A "Palestinian" can mean a person who is born in the geographical area known prior to 1918 as "Palestine", or a former citizen of the British Mandate territory called Palestine, or an institution related to either of these. Using this definition, both Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews were called "Palestinians".
@Progod, Thus If you are correct, then those descendants of enslaved Africans in Iraq and Palestine were NOT enslaved by 'Arabs' but by arabic speaking descendants of Chaeldeans and Philistines who were NOT only 'Arabs', they were also NOT 'Muslims' either.
Progod, to mention some Saudi, as black, implying and suggesting that he descends from African slaves is an assumption at best.
EVERY BLACK human being does NOT descend from enslavement or oppression! Its amusing how people believe that the only way black people populated the earth is through enslavement and oppression. ;D