Good news for all messengers.:)
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peace BelH,
please let me clarify one thing before you start a false rumor.
i have NEVER claimed to be a Prophet. i am not a Prophetess.
i am a Messenger.
as i explained to Bahman, when he notified me about this conversation on this site
i do not have time to start a whole new debate here.
i cannot kept re-explaining things to each person, or even each group.
please understand, there is only one of me, and many of you.
i invite you to watch my videos, if you like, and ask follow up question there.
i only came here to leave a couple of comments since the conversation was about me.
only God can guide any of us.peace again
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All plural words are BOTH male and female, unless preceded by a preposition/case construct (minha, minhum, etc.)
When we say 'Assalaam AlayKUM', 'Kum' is a plural masculine pronoun, which refers to BOTH male and female.
Actually in the following ayah....
Al-Hajj 22.75] Allah chooses / yastafee / messengers from angels and from human beings / an-nasi / for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things).
yastafee / is a feminine verb! and rusulan is plural and an-nasi is plural /
So its clear that the feminine verb yastafee / is determining, who are the Plural, Male & Female 'Human Rasools'
Not a big deal...
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peace BelH,
please let me clarify one thing before you start a false rumor.
i have NEVER claimed to be a Prophet. i am not a Prophetess.
i am a Messenger.
as i explained to Bahman, when he notified me about this conversation on this site
i do not have time to start a whole new debate here.
i cannot kept re-explaining things to each person, or even each group.
please understand, there is only one of me, and many of you.
i invite you to watch my videos, if you like, and ask follow up question there.
i only came here to leave a couple of comments since the conversation was about me.
only God can guide any of us.
peace againPeace Sister
I remember an old Persian expression says
A developed village is better than ten ruined cities.
I think finding you by me on you tube and inviting you here when I was in middle of discussion with one messenger having knife in his hand and other one obsessed to number 19 in his imagination and presence of me which my ex belief do not relates ao any of members on these forums is not coincidence.
Here is forum mixed of all kind people with good back ground in scriptures and their number is small but their understanding of them is more far away so many thousand clicks on my works .
I f same people come to youtube and comment it is valuable but those click without comment has no value .Each topic here and responses have more power and is more informative that thousand clicks on clip.As this forum has been meesengerized and up to now none of them has had Clear Proof now is your turn to go through such test.
It is wasting time to talk about gender of words in the GR . when you have not shown any ?Clear Proof? up to now.
I will be the first one to congratulate you for such assignment by God Alone.
But remember God Authored ?Quran Alone? and any messenger going out of this limit is ruled by Satan.
Manipulating minds of people by mixing 2-3-4 ?. Scriptures together is wrong .
God Alone Quran Alone.
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istafaki / SAME Root meaning and word as yastafee /
is for Female;
When God speaks to a Female He uses feminine Words like the above example (3-42) for Mariam.
peace BelH,
please let me clarify one thing before you start a false rumor.
i have NEVER claimed to be a Prophet. i am not a Prophetess.
i am a Messenger.
as i explained to Bahman, when he notified me about this conversation on this site
i do not have time to start a whole new debate here.
i cannot kept re-explaining things to each person, or even each group.
please understand, there is only one of me, and many of you.
i invite you to watch my videos, if you like, and ask follow up question there.
i only came here to leave a couple of comments since the conversation was about me.
only God can guide any of us.peace again
Peace Sister
I have no problem for any one to claim he or she a Messenger of God until that person starts to add or discount from God's words.As I told you, I disagree with you when you translated 10-109 as "O Female Messenger". The verse clearly speaks to a Male Prophet, and specifically, Prophet Mohamed.
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peace BelH and Bahman,
i did not translate that scripture to say "O Female Messenger"...i put that in brackets for explanation, which i clearly explained before i did it.
i have presented clear proof Bahman. God's Messenger is suppose to be able to recite and explain God's Revelations, plural. anyone can come to their own conclusion as to whether i am doing that or not by considering the videos.
there a numerous Scriptures in the Quran that show you are to believe in the Torah, Gospel, and the Quran. many are presented in Part 46 of my videos. the invalid excuse that those in any sect of Islam use to reject the Bible is discussed in Part 74. basically, the Bible was ALREADY altered BEFORE we were given the Quran...God says so in the Quran...so the fact that they have been altered is an invalid excuse to completely reject the Bible. besides, God is Omniscient. He would have never said so clearly and so often instructed us to believe in the Previous Scriptures, and what was given to All the Prophets, if at anytime those Words would be too altered to do so. with the Quran we know what was altered.
the Truth is most of the Bible is True and Important. the reason your Imams have conditioned you to reject the Bible, is because the Bible exposes that the things done in ALL Sects of Islam...the repetitious prayers...the idolatrous unQuranic circling a kissing of a black cube, and other things...are wrong.
even to the Submitter i will ask...where does the Quran tell you to circle a black cube seven times??? if you truly follow the Quran only...where are you getting that from?please understand, i have already explained this over and over. My only duty is to deliver the Message. it is God who guides whomever HE pleases.
i do not need anyone's recognition. God knows who His Messengers are.
believe as you do, and so i will i, and so will everyone else.
in the end, God will tell us the Truth of all that we did.i invite all of you to the Message, you can accept or decline.
i do not have time for debate here. my hands are very full. the work needs to be kept in one area.
i have been invited to many sites and chat rooms, but i have to turn it down because i certainly cannot keep explaining the same things over and over. the videos and comments on youtube are heavy backed by Scripture. in fact, many of the videos are virtually nothing but Scripture.
perhaps many of you will consider them, God willing.peace to all of you,
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Peace all
there a numerous Scriptures in the Quran that show you are to believe in the Torah, Gospel, and the Quran. many are presented in Part 46 of my videos.
I agree; I and others have said that before in this forum and other places.
the invalid excuse that those in any sect of Islam use to reject the Bible is discussed in Part 74. basically, the Bible was ALREADY altered BEFORE we were given the Quran...God says so in the Quran...so the fact that they have been altered is an invalid excuse to completely reject the Bible.
Can you please tell me where God says that the Bible and Torah were altered?
besides, God is Omniscient. He would have never said so clearly and so often instructed us to believe in the Previous Scriptures, and what was given to All the Prophets, if at anytime those Words would be too altered to do so. with the Quran we know what was altered.
That is why I think that the Original Bible and Torah still exist and the altered versions are the translated ones-as in the case of the translated versions of Quran.
the Truth is most of the Bible is True and Important. the reason your Imams have conditioned you to reject the Bible, is because the Bible exposes that the things done in ALL Sects of Islam...the repetitious prayers...the idolatrous unQuranic circling a kissing of a black cube, and other things...are wrong.
I do not have an Imam, but I have My Lord who Teaches and Guide those who seek his Guidance.
even to the Submitter i will ask...where does the Quran tell you to circle a black cube seven times??? if you truly follow the Quran only...where are you getting that from?
Most of the people if not all say what you are saying; thus we agree.
i invite all of you to the Message, you can accept or decline.
I accept as it is the same Message that I and most of us have been following for years.
May God Bless you and protect you from any harms.Now, can you tell me how did God communicated to You? and what was the content of the communication?
And; did they tell you about your age (in what age will you die)?
Peace
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BelH
And when the angels said, O?Maryam/Mary surely Allah has chosen you / istafaki / and purified you and He has chosen you / istafaki / above the women of all nations.
Your off point, the issue is not 'how Allah references females'
Again, the grammatical rule, when a word does NOT have a feminine marker it is referring to BOTH males and females
Al-Hajj 22.75] Allah chooses / yastafee / messengers / rusulan / from angels and from human beings / an-nasi / for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things).
yastafee (Imperfect, 3rd person, singular, Verb Form VIII, assimilation) He chooses from the best of Us/Me, chosen, to take the best of, to be clear, pure; Root word Safa
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 317 (safa)an-nasi means human beings, plural; Root word anisa See Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. Page 38-39 (anisa)
Rusulan (fu"ul = both singular & plural, Indefinite, Nasb, Irregular Plural) Messenger/Messengers
Irregular plurals that refer to humans, like Rusulan / , are often treated as plurals and refer to males & females
The gender of an irregular plural noun will not always match the gender of its singular. Classically, all irregular plurals were considered and treated as singular feminine nouns.
Allah chooses Female and Male Messengers
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yastafee (Imperfect, 3rd person, singular, Verb Form VIII, assimilation) He chooses from the best of Us/Me, chosen, to take the best of, to be clear, pure; Root word Safa
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 317 (safa)an-nasi means human beings, plural; Root word anisa See Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. Page 38-39 (anisa)
Rusulan (fu"ul = both singular & plural, Indefinite, Nasb, Irregular Plural) Messenger/Messengers
Irregular plurals that refer to humans, like Rusulan / , are often treated as plurals and refer to males & females
The gender of an irregular plural noun will not always match the gender of its singular. Classically, all irregular plurals were considered and treated as singular feminine nouns.
Allah chooses Female and Male Messengers
In the case of plural, God uses Masculine. but when singular , God uses the proper noun and verb, as in the case of 10-109, which our main focus, for now.
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This statement doesnt make any sense...."In the case of plural, God uses Masculine. but when singular , God uses the proper noun and verb, as in the case of 10-109, which our main focus, for now."
Nor did We send before you any but men & women / qabliKA illa rijalan / , whom we did inspire,- (men) living in human habitations. Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those before them? But the home of the hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will you not then understand?
qabliKA meaning 'You', a 2nd person masculine, present tense pronoun, again referring to BOTH Male and Females
rijalan / is a broken plural, pattern of ?fi?alun?, masculine & FEMININE, irregular (broken) plural nouns are grammatically singular nouns that refer to plural units or to large amounts of uncountable objects.
Again, same rules apply, Irregular plurals that refer to humans, like Rijalan / , are often treated as plurals and refer to males & females
The gender of an irregular plural noun will not always match the gender of its singular. Classically, all irregular plurals were considered and treated as singular feminine nouns.
Again, Allah chooses Messengers from Men and Women...
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peace belH,
well, it sounds like you are rightly guided.
God shows that the Bible was already altered when the Quran came out. after all, He mentions how Jesus wasn't His son, which means they already altered the Scriptures to say this. History shows this was probably around 300 years before the Quran...at the Council of Nicea. but regardless of when they did it, it had already been done since God addresses the whole notion that they are claiming the the Messiah is God, or that Jesus is His son...and He reiterates what He clearly states in the Old Testement....that only HE is the Savior.
also, while Surah 378 certainly would apply later to those given the Book themselves...it did and still does apply as well to those of the Previous Scripture twisting their tongues to imitate the Scripture...and claiming it was from God when it was not.how do i know that i am God's Messenger? because an angel spoke to me. the details are not important because no matter what i say happened you would either believe me or not. more or less, i can't prove it happened. also, personal stories about me are not important. in fact, they are what lead to nonsense like the Hadiths.
you can ask me whatever you like, but you may not get a reply. like i said, i am quite busy.
you know where to find me. )peace once more
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Salaam,
how do i know that i am God's Messenger? because an angel spoke to me. the details are not important because no matter what i say happened you would either believe me or not. more or less, i can't prove it happened. also, personal stories about me are not important. in fact, they are what lead to nonsense like the Hadiths.
An angel spoke to you? o
It takes much more than this claim to prove messengership. Allah sends His messengers to the believers with CLEAR PROOF (i.e. 7101; 970; 1013; 3525; 4022; 4083; 646). So, what is your proof of messengership?
Peace,
Ahmad
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Salaam,
An angel spoke to you?
It takes much more than this claim to prove messengership. Allah sends His messengers to the believers with CLEAR PROOF (i.e. 7101; 970; 1013; 3525; 4022; 4083; 646). So, what is your proof of messengership?
Peace,
Ahmad
Peace all,
But what clear proofs did the other messengers came with? I mean especially those not mention in God's Scriptures because God says that not all are mentioned with names.
If we really want to judge Sister Becca we have to read and study all of her work then perhaps we can come to an conclusions of what she is.
Maria
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Salaam,
An angel spoke to you?
It takes much more than this claim to prove messengership. Allah sends His messengers to the believers with CLEAR PROOF (i.e. 7101; 970; 1013; 3525; 4022; 4083; 646). So, what is your proof of messengership?
Peace,
Ahmad
Salaam,
I don't think every messenger came with clear proofs. I have read the Quran many times and some of the messengers seem to arrive with nothing but guidance/clarity.12109 And We have not sent before you except men, to whom We gave inspiration, from the people of the towns. Would they not roam the Earth and see how was the punishment of those before them? And the abode of the Hereafter is far better for those who are aware. Do you not comprehend?
Of course God would send an angel.
162 He sends down the angels with the Spirit by His command upon whom He wishes of His servants ?That you shall warn that there is no god but I, so be aware of Me.?
I agree with Maria on this, we have to see how guided these so called "messengers" are before judging them.
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Salaam,
An angel spoke to you? o
It takes much more than this claim to prove messengership. Allah sends His messengers to the believers with CLEAR PROOF (i.e. 7101; 970; 1013; 3525; 4022; 4083; 646). So, what is your proof of messengership?
Peace,
Ahmad
Shalom , Peace , Asalaam Alaikoum Brother Ahmad
the angels spoke with believers in dreams by signs, angels come to believers and talk with messengers in a state of man,Prophet Mohammad was accompanied by a cloud with him where he go , this cloud it's the angels they protected him .also angels protect all believers .
God bless you
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Salaam,
I don't think every messenger came with clear proofs. I have read the Quran many times and some of the messengers seem to arrive with nothing but guidance/clarity.12109 And We have not sent before you except men, to whom We gave inspiration, from the people of the towns. Would they not roam the Earth and see how was the punishment of those before them? And the abode of the Hereafter is far better for those who are aware. Do you not comprehend?
Of course God would send an angel.
162 He sends down the angels with the Spirit by His command upon whom He wishes of His servants ?That you shall warn that there is no god but I, so be aware of Me.?
I agree with Maria on this, we have to see how guided these so called "messengers" are before judging them.
Shalom , Peace , Asalaam Alaikoum Brother
the God's messengers who will come with proofs it's only for to show all the world that scripture is from God , yes there're a lot of messenger will come but for example they're not mentioned in the Quran ( their names) every believer share the God's message with the world i consider him as a messenger , only because he play the same messengers role , for God there is not difference between believers ,because if you read this verse and if you count its letters you'll understand why there is not difference between believers, We have bestowed upon you (O Messenger) a great victory.
*481 This profound statement consists of 19 letters, indicating that our generation is the generation of victory for God's purified, unified, and consolidated religion-Submission (319, 85). It is our generation that witnessed the revelations of God's great miracle in the Quran (Appendix 1).
i've understood from this verse that every one believe by the proof 19 he'll be like the messengers becauseWe have bestowed upon you (O Messenger) a great victory.
*481 This profound statement consists of 19 letters, indicating that our generation is the generation of victory for God's purified, unified, and consolidated religion-Submission (319, 85). It is our generation that witnessed the revelations of God's great miracle in the Quran (Appendix 1).
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Whereby GOD forgives your past sins, as well as future sins, and perfects His blessings upon you, and guides you in a straight path.Additionally, GOD will support you with an unwavering support. ( there are 19 letters on this verse too )
God will forgive the past sins as well as future sins to every one follow and believe by the miracle 19 , not only messengers .
God bless you
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i did not translate that scripture to say "O Female Messenger"...i put that in brackets for explanation, which i clearly explained before i did it.
As I wrote I am not rejecting any messenger female or male with CLEAR PROOF.
i have presented clear proof Bahman. God's Messenger is suppose to be able to recite and explain God's Revelations, plural.
would you guide me a verse stating what you claim?
anyone can come to their own conclusion as to whether i am doing that or not by considering the videos.
Those are well prepared in colors music well art done but clips content is wrong when you mix manipulated scripture with Quran ?
there a numerous Scriptures in the Quran that show you are to believe in the Torah, Gospel, and the Quran. many are presented in Part 46 of my videos.
The we do not need any other book, hadith or any older scripture to support Quran.
The reason stories and verse are repeated in Quran are proof for Quran that Mohammed never read those scripture as is authored in Quran .This way God is showing proof for Mohammed as person inspired to tell stories and messages which he never read not for your claim.
And that kind of proof was for the time when we did not have access to this screen, Now Messenger of Covenant Dr.Rashad Khalifah has revealed the secret of 14 initials in 29 chapters which is proof for existence of God and His messages in Quranthe invalid excuse that those in any sect of Islam use to reject the Bible is discussed in Part 74.
You mean chapter 74?
Which verses pleasebasically, the Bible was ALREADY altered BEFORE we were given the Quran...God says so in the Quran...
Right
so the fact that they have been altered is an invalid excuse to completely reject the Bible. besides,
When God says is altered and Quran is detailed and complete which mean close those books and park it in your shelve .now you have COMPLETE and DETAILED one.
God is Omniscient. He would have never said so clearly and so often instructed us to believe in the Previous Scriptures, and what was given to All the Prophets,
Show us the messages in GR for your claim.
if at anytime those Words would be too altered to do so. with the Quran we know what was altered.
Where you got such idea.?
GR is Completed and Detailed and Confirms all pervious scriptures Confirm previous messages that you find in Quran not those you like to use it for our claim.the Truth is most of the Bible is True and Important.
We have now a proofed scripture Quran complete and detailed replacing all scripture important or not that is God say clearly in Quran QURAN ALONE
Please read this topic and find it out God Alone Quran Alone.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597365.msg183357#msg183357the reason your Imams have conditioned you to reject the Bible,
first you misinformed by such judging about me when you do not know where I come from . I have been atheist and the agnostic and never have believed in any Imam or any scripture. God is only teacher of His messages and no prophet or messenger is allowed to explain it for people.
It seems sister you are not studying Quran well and using search engines to find the verses matches your claim in your clips.is because the Bible exposes that the things done in ALL Sects of Islam...the repetitious prayers...the idolatrous unQuranic circling a kissing of a black cube, and other things...are wrong.
Great you are right and that is reason we should consider Bible another hadith like thos fabricated one.
So here is another reason we should put away moldy bread and eat fresh one only .even to the Submitter i will ask...where does the Quran tell you to circle a black cube seven times??? if you truly follow the Quran only...where are you getting that from?
They are very navies like those believe in your messenger ship without any Clear Proof and they are in majority too. That is reason here we discuss and we promot God Alone Quran Alone. to inform misinformed ones they follow what their parents and teachers (Imams )
Using Muslim for them in your clip too is not right . They are not .They are Mohammedans and are proud to be called Mohammedans Islam.
In the mean time take your time this forum and its site and other forum and its site 19.org are places for educating and read voluble searches and study taking days and months .. Those are not you tube clips that any primary school student using movie maker program can produce better one than mine by borrowing pics and sounds and copying from different sources using search engine.please understand, i have already explained this over and over. My only duty is to deliver the Message. it is God who guides whomever HE pleases.
The message is there and has been for 1400 years and now we have CLEAR PROOF,
There is no room for delivering any other message when God says Detailed and Complete. You are not delivering any new message you are repeating it bu y your own style like those chanting it and write in Arabic on Youtube.
God sends messenger with Clear Proof and specific task and duty .
First show us CLEAR PROOF and then tell us your SPECIFIC TASK AND DUTY?i do not need anyone's recognition. God knows who His Messengers are.
So what are doing on this screen ?
Are you promoting mixture of all messages and confusing new truth seekers? .
As God authored there messengers we know and messengers we do not know.
Messengers we know have had CLEAR PROOF but messenger we do not know do not need any proof.
so those we do not know they did not or do not claim but when you claim then CLEAR PROOF.
You are advertising your claim and even claim that is your occupation. . Then
Where is the Proof?believe as you do, and so i will i, and so will everyone else.
in the end, God will tell us the Truth of all that we did.I am doing it and such confidence that stnading front of you and all others and tell you show us CLEAR PROOF for your claim.
people. But if you abuse the scripture I believe then is my duty to expose the truth .i invite all of you to the Message, you can accept or decline
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What messages? Quran?
Then show us CLEAR PROOF.
I have done it for 10 years and will do to end of my life and just clai as simple believer like others not asking for any extra credit.i do not have time for debate here. my hands are very full. the work needs to be kept in one area.
Producing clips , going around and advertise and bring more clickers to increase numbers of with no comment has no value as much as you stay here and find answer to your questions
Look sister just type ?talking cat ? on youtube and it has 13 million viewers . I am not sure how many is your maximum. But I am in same situation and know those clicks an viewers are not voluble and is just people passing you shop and look into your display no shopping unless they comment.
All I say your participating over these sites and forum and discus with serious people that know the books is more voluble to have another thousand click. You learn things which you never knew like I have learnt during 10 years.i have been invited to many sites and chat rooms, but i have to turn it down because i certainly cannot keep explaining the same things over and over.
Great soon you may be such famous be invited by POPE and supporting his book by Quran as you do not Quran is very important for them and may get more charities to spend on gold and guards.
He does not like Quran Alone like you as he has to wrap up his kingdom.the videos and comments on youtube are heavy backed by Scripture.
This conflict with your statement when
As you said plurals ScriptureS.
Which Scripture you mean?in fact, many of the videos are virtually nothing but Scripture.
You are avoiding name of this Scripture without S . Which One ?
perhaps many of you will consider them, God willing.
That is we are doing here without censorship ( Hmmm)
Now is 10 years I am considering it like many other considering for understating and follow straight path.
You may do not like my response.
You may do not response to me.
You may leave this forum and work on more clips.
But my question will not be erased no matter where you are but remember this date
11/24/2008 43850 PM
Where is the Truth?
Where is the Clear proof?
May God Bless you.
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God shows that the Bible was already altered when the Quran came out. after all, He mentions how Jesus wasn't His son, which means they already altered the Scriptures to say this.
Peace all
Sister Becca, when you have time, please read through the following thread in order to know my and many of us view about The Altering of he Bible and Torah notion.http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596838.300
Moreover, please note that This Forum contains many Sects who are in disagreement with each others in regard of understanding the Quran (Humans...We love to disagree)
May God Bless and Guide those who are truly seeking His Words.
Peace
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By our command / Amran , from Our Presence / AAindina . we are FOREVER / kunna SENDING messengers,
Amran (INDEFINITE, no end) means command or order, CONSTANTLY demanding, ALWAYS urging, CONSTANTLY inspiring
AAindina is a preposition which means AT THIS MOMENT, AT THIS INSTANT, WITH THESE WORDS
Kunna (perfect tense = PRESENT AND CONTINUOUS, 1st person, plural) means WE ARE; Root word
Messengers are constantly being inspired with Allah's guidance and conveying that guidance Whats the problem?
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I am Gods messenger to you all. I have accepted it...
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597255.msg185900#msg185900
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Peace everybody
in organizing older file found this may be intersted. just for record. The are growing up like mushrooms. Now is time make a list of them.Re Fresh Messengers Wed, 27 April 2005 0241
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The 'new messengers' are actually old news The following accounts are based on my memory and best knowledge - please do not regard them as 100% accurate but it draws a broader picture of the 'messenger' situation until recently.
One of the first was Bahattin Uzunkaya from Turkey who claimed to have predicted the earthquakes which occurred on the western coast of Turkey in 1999. He has also claimed to have found the "666 = Quran" theory. He declared his messengership based on this as well as a 19 based arbitrary 'mathematics' which involved his name, birthdate and address etc.
Kheikosrow Emami was a part of Rashad's submitter group and declared his messengership based on independently co-discovering the "666" finding. He also has tried predicting earthquakes - he wants to predict the BIG ONE in San Francisco - and has failed more than three times as far as I am aware. In fact I don't think he's been able to predict any earthquake. I think he may now be investing in a seismograph and is enrolled in a geology course at Tehran university (this last sentence is just a joke in case it wasn't clear).
The other messenger who still posts here H.O - Hasan Ozturk is another Turkish gentleman from Germany who became a part of a tripartite alliance with B.U and K.E. I don't know if Hasan Ozturk actually discovered anything or what his sign was - but he is fond of finding numerological meaning in timestamps on emails sent from and to him. He confirms and finds further proofs for some of the discoveries that Bahattin and Kheikosrow, his fellow messengers make.
At some point there was a falling out between Emami and Uzunkaya over some disputed claim of discovery over the 666 sign. This led to Emami branding Uzunkaya the "Jonah" of the times. They removed the links to each others pages and their alliance crumbled.
This did not discourage Emami. He had found a new ally in a gentleman named Mahmood Ahmad (an anaesthetist doctor I believe) who was based in Perth Australia and moved to the USA later. He at first claimed to be the man in 3620 who confirmed the messengership of the tripartite alliance. After this claim of 3620 was accepted by the three - again based on arbitrary 19 'mathematics' - Ahmed himself stumbled upon further proofs that he was actually more than the man in 3620. In fact he now claimed he was a messenger also.
But that was not the end of it. Other messengers were found to join the new threesome of K.E, H.O and A.N - a Japanese fellow named Ahmed Nishitoba also was accepted into the clan; and this was followed by another Iranian gentleman whose first name escapes me at the moment but his surname was Sharbatogli. As if this wasn't enough another straggler from France by the name of Pierre someone or other. There may have been one or two others; and all were confirmed messengers according to their elaborate and arbitrary 19 based proofs; combining the names and gematrical values in every which way.
This group reached its zenith in trying to make a grand prediction of an earthquake to strike in May after an earlier prediction in January did not materialise.
The big team of messengers argued over the signs and findings each emailing the others about their latest and greatest proof found on their excel spreadsheets and scientific calculators. The worldwide group of messengers exchanged emails furiously -
Kheikosrow and Pierre went to San Francisco warning people openly about a quake. They wrote to the president etc. The day came... and went... and no earthquake. The French guy Pierre promptly disassociated himself with the group. Mahmood Ahmad seems to have fallen out with most of the others and Kheikosrow seems to have abandon the whole earthquake prediction game. The big group self destructed as no news came from them at all after about the middle of last year.
Mahmood Ahmad whose site had plenty of material seems to have removed all of the pdf files that detailed much of what I write here and now has stuff on the tsunami and the 'miraculous' survival of mosque on Bandeh Aceh. He has plenty of pictures of concrete mosques with foundations surviving amongst flattened terrain - that had wooden rickety shack buildings! Hardly surprising, and hardly miraculous.
Kheikosrow's site has also stagnated in terms of real content. He seems to have become friends with Bahattin again - and has restored the link to his page. He has also removed the 'Jonah' article. Bahattin has updated his site several times but nothing really interesting (not that there was before). He is claiming a new quasi-prophecy in relation to the changeover of popes recently. Hasan Ozturk as I said posts here but he has always been fairly non-committal being rather elusive and not having a website of his own as far as I know.
There have been other messengers apart from this 19 based team. There has been Ali Fazely a physicist who was also in the 19 submitters group and later left them. Together with Ali has been Milan Sulc - these two have based their messengership upon a twist of the 19 sign together with 'ultimate mathematics' which deals with prime numbers, indexes of primes and permutations of groups of numbers etc. Some of their findings are actually quite reasonable and I believe Edip has given his approval to a sign in the Ha Mim group of chapters that Milan Sulc discovered.
Speaking of Ha Mim - another person by the name of Husain Makbool believes that he is a messenger based on the signs he has allegedly received in relation to the Ha Mim chapters (his initials) and the '7' sign - based on the 7 pairs that Rashad put forward. He has a website and it is like the former team all based on arbitrary 19 based findings. He has added his own twist of the 7 sign however.
Even all these do not exhaust the messenger candidates. There is also someone by the name of Sharif Ahmad who believes he is THE exclusive worldwide messenger. He unlike the others before does not believe in the 19 sign but bases his claim on 3340 where he argues that Muhammad is a 'conceptual' everlasting messenger who is manifest from time to time. He believes he is the current Muhammad because he discovered this. He makes claims of having extraordinary understandings of the koran but when pressed to mention just one - is unable to present anything new or insightful.
I'm sure there will be more.
Regards.
"My Lord, direct me to be appreciative of the blessings You have bestowed upon me and my parents, and to do the righteous works that please You. Admit me by Your mercy into the company of Your righteous servants."
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