Muhammad is a White Man?
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Al-Khidr,
Think what you like. My comments before were not emotional, and I was not beside myself, you are an extremist peon and a follower of people with little knowledge. You keep referring to translations, yet fail to understand that translations are also interpretations. I don't need the translations. And if I have any doubt I research using numerous Arabic dictionaries. As a matter of fact ask any Arab (even AhmadBaghat who you want to pit against me) if the phrase 'hum bashar' or 'ulaa'ika bashar' is correct, and you'll have your answer. As a matter a fact you don't even have to ask other Arabs (who could be wrong becuz of local dialect influences), you can just do what you should have been doing in the first place and go get some more dictionaries and see it for yourself. But you won't, because you are a peon, a follower and not a leader. So do you. Everything that I have said here, even what you thought was emotional has been truth. Take it or leave it. You will be the cause of your own perdition.
And I haven't even gotten a chance to touch on your whole all the prophets belong to the family of Adam and becuz Adam ws black so are all the prophets. That would #1 assume that all the children of Adam are also black (or that non-blacks are not children of Adam), which is obviously not true and #2 if that is all you can come up with to try to say that the prophet Muhammad (God bless him) was black, then you are truly a lost cause indeed. Have you ever read Al-Jahiz? There would be your evidence. But because you and your kind are more interested in making up fantasy histories than researching the truth, you will suffer for the falsity that you spread and how you lie to yourselves. By the way do you stll believe in the evil scientist Yakub and how he created the white man several hundreds of thousands of years ago? If you believe in that still then my case is made.
OH, and out of curiosity, why Amharic on your site? Are the Black Arabs and other Arabic speaking Africans not worthy enough to read your site in Arabic? What about the Black Latinos, who speak Spanish, Portuguese or French (yes hatians are latin Americans becuz they speak a latin derived language)? Do you know of a significant population of Amharic speakers on this site for you to have advertised your site's translation into Amharic? Or are you just being ridiculously ethnocentrist and trying to take Ethiopia as symbolic center for all Blacks? If so, all I can say is that is very predictable.
Do you even know about Timbuktu, Songhay, Kanem Bornu, or the Kordofan empires? Mansa Musa, and all the Black Africans who used Arabic as their language of scholarship. Do you know about 'Antar the pre-islamic Arab warrior poet who was so black his nickname was the crow? I have nothing against ethiopia but it is one star among the many stars of Africa and of the blacks in the ancient world. You sit here and try to Europeanized the Arabs and are doing nothing but echoing the same Euro-centric trash that Europeans have been trying to push, but you have the nerve to give it an Afro-centric slant. This is ignorance at its zenith.
I swear if all that I have seen here on Free-minds, other forums, and in Islam in general represents the faces of the futrue of Islam we've got a long way before Islam climbs out of these dark days. We've got a long, long way. God save us all.
Godbless,
Anwar -
progod get your facts straight....
Its Woloof and Bamdera they are speaking in Africa!!!
NOT Saudi Arabic
Your so fixated on Arabs..Arabs this..Arabs that...dang dude..let the Arabs go....pick one
Gulf Arabic, Bahrani Arabic, Najdi Arabic, Hejazi Arabic, Sharqi Arabic, Yemeni Arabic Hadhrami Arabic, Dhofari Arabic, Omani Arabic, Shihhi Arabic, Ancient North Arabian (Safaitic, Lihyanitic, Thamudic, Hasaitic),Classical Arabic, Moroccan Arabic, Algerian Arabic,
Tunisian Arabic, Andalusian Arabic, Libyan Arabic, Jebli Arabic, Jijel Arabic, Saharan Arabic, Hassnya, Maltese language, Siculo-Arabic, Lebanese Arabic, Syrian Arabic,
North Syrian Arabic, Palestinian Arabic, Bedawi Arabic, Cypriot Maronite Arabic, Iraqi Arabic (Baghdad Arabic), North Mesopotamian Arabic, Egyptian Arabic, Sa'idi Arabic, Sudanese Arabic, Nigerian Arabic, Chadian Arabic, Khuzestani Arabic, Shirvani Arabic,
Tajiki Arabic Uzbeki Arabic, Judeo-Moroccan Arabic, Judeo-Yemeni Arabic, Judeo-Iraqi Arabic (Baghdad Arabic (Jewish)), Judeo-Tripolitanian Arabic, Judeo-Tunisian Arabic, Nubi language, Babalia Creole Arabic, Juba Arabic
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Peace,
progod get your facts straight....
Its Woloof and Bamdera they are speaking in Africa!!!
Oh, God!! Here we go again. This is like talking to monkeys with typewriters!
I'm sorry, but the language of scholarship in Timbuktu, upper West Africa, Chad and Sudan up until Colonialism was Arabic. And you are talking about Arabic dialects. I am talking about Classical Arabic. Also called Fus-haa but to be differentiated from al-lughah al-'arabiyah al-mu'assarah.
Wolof is spoken only in Senegal, Gambia and Southern Mauritania, where the Wolof people are found. It is the national language of Senegal, but Soninke and different versions of Fulani are also spoken in Senegal. I'm sure a few more languages spoken there as well. Hassaniyyah Arabic (a dialect) is also spoken in Senegal (but mainly in Mauritania). In Mauritania berber dialects are spoken there as well. Bambara is spoken in Mali by the Bambara (NOT Bamdera) people in Mali, where Mende and Tuareg are also spoken. And then we have a whole slew of languages after that spoken just in West Africa alone! And you are talking about two languages spoken in Africa as a whole? You've got to be kidding. There are more than 1000 languages spoken in Africa. Sounds like you don't have your facts straight. Bamdera? WTF!? You've go to be joking, dude.By the way you should strike Ancient Arabic from that copy and paste list you got there. Ancient North Arabics (which for all purposes are exactly the same as Classical Arabic) are Classical Arabic before it was called Classical (not ancient southern dialects which are related but are really Himyarite and dinstinct dialects from Classical Arabic). When Classical Arabic spread around with the Arab expansion it started to mix with the other native languages of the extreme south of Arabia, north Africa and the upper middle east. Creating a creole Arabic apart from Classical Arabic which spread with the further expansion of the Arabs. Hence most of those dialects are the result of Classical Arabic forming a creole version of the language in the Middle East and being spread through all of the territories that the Arabs conquered or immigrated to. Hence the dialects vary from region to region and even from country to country. Hence you have Maghrebi Arabic which includes Hassaniya, Morrocan, Libyan and Tunisian. And then Egyptian Arabic and Sudanese Arabic. Then Levant Arabic which is Jordan, Palestine, Syria and Lebanon. Then you have Saudi Arabic (Arabic in Saudi Arabia changed because of the influx and outflux of Arabs and non-Arabis into Saudi Arabia, it being the center of Islam), Yemeni Arabic, and Gulf Arabic. The other Arabic dialects outside of traditional Arab areas are there becuz Arabs (dialect speakers or Classical speakers) migrated to these places and had significant impacts on the languages there. Hence Nigerian Arabic, Uzbek Arabic etc. etc.
Godbless,
Anwar -
Salaam Anwar
It sounds like you took a 24 hours crash course in Black History.
You asked me if I am aware of Al Jahiz, of course I am and he also wrote how Prophet Muhammad's family was Black. I have placed a link on Al Jahiz in Exposing the 3 Salaat Theory at Tawhiyd website a long time ago and you read/visited this website of ours
http//www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/3salaattheoryexposed.htm
Below is the direct link for Al Jahiz
http//www.cwo.com/~lucumi/jahiz.html
Your the johnn-come-lately here. There are countless information that proves that the Prophets are Black including Jesus and Muhammad. Men have written many books on this subjects because there is so much information that is out there.
Why did you ask me if I still believe in Yakub when I never declared that I do?? These are your inconsistent attempts to mislead the readers of this post-these are the only tactics that you can use because you definitely did not know what you were talking about when it came to bashar in Qur?aan 1528, again these are your EMOTIONAL and FRANTIC ways of twisting FACTS. Anwar A.K.A. UNCLE TOM, just deal with the fact that your point on bashar got refuted with common sense. Every body knows that in Qur?aan 1528, it?s singular, referring to ONE man and what sealed this issue were other verses directly stating that Adam was Waahid (One) and I clearly demonstrated that inside the Qur?aan.
And your ignorant statements/questions about our website in Amharic the language of Ethiopia that you raised were not worth commenting on.
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I don't know what color any of them were, but I'd wager a bet they weren't white. History is pretty clear on how the "white Jesus" myth came about. We can find out in the hereafter, GOD-willing.
But my question for you is why does it matter what color they were? I understand that you want to learn and spread truth over ignorance, but why this particular topic ("race" of prophets/of original man)? You are putting a lot of emphasis on their skin color -- what is your goal in asserting this information?
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Speak what you Know NOT what you THINK
D Your giving the Orientalist description and interpretation, the ENTIRE continent of East Asia was called the 'Sudan' BEFORE colonization!!!!! (i.e. Levant Arabic?) D
They spoke various languages from Kemetic origins, which was Bamdera and various dialects of Woloof, then the Semetic languages (Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, etc.) derived from these Kemetic origins!!!
Get your facts straight.
Get Diop's Lexicon!!!
Saudi's and various other Arabic speakers attend Cheikh Anta Diop University in Dakar and Tooba to learn 'Arabic' from the Senegalese, Sudanese, Badarian's and others.....
Woloof and Bamdera are much richer linguistically than Arabic Saudi and its various dialects
This 'I KNOW' NOT from what I found on the web or just created.
You claimed you have been to Senegal, did you go to Tooba?
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Speak what you Know NOT what you THINK
Cheesy Your giving the Orientalist description and interpretation, the ENTIRE continent of East Asia was called the 'Sudan' BEFORE colonization!!!!! (i.e. Levant Arabic?) Cheesy
They spoke various languages from Kemetic origins, which was Bamdera and various dialects of Woloof, then the Semetic languages (Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, etc.) derived from these Kemetic origins!!!
Get your facts straight.
Stop saying this please. Your statements are so unfactual and left-field that you really need to let his phrase go.
Get Diop's Lexicon!!!
Sure I will go look it up. From the portions of it I've seen now it is not an Arabic lexicon, but a book that shows the similarity of a number of West African langauges with Ancient Khemetic. So I wouldn't mind buyng it to see what it has to say on this topic, but Diop's book is not an Arabic lexicon, so it would have no bearing on our understanding of Arabic.
Saudi's and various other Arabic speakers attend Cheikh Anta Diop University in Dakar and Tooba to learn 'Arabic' from the Senegalese, Sudanese, Badarian's and others.....
Are you serious? You've got to be kidding. I know that Senegal's schools have Arabic and French programs that are as good as going to any other school in the world to learn French or Arabic, but I have never heard of a Saudi or any other person from an Arabic speaking country going to Senegal to learn Classical Arabic. Hey it's possible. I can go to a university in a non-English speaking country and major in English and still get the same level of education from a university in an English speaking country. But I wouldn't be learning English, i would be majoring in the study of English literature works. But I'd like to see where you got that from. I think the fact that you said that in such a blanketed way without any real thought shows how obtuse you really are.
Woloof and Bamdera are much richer linguistically than Arabic Saudi and its various dialects
I will repeat that they are called Wolof (your exta o is not that big of a deal) and BAMBARA (your continuing to completely mispell this word shows that you don't know what you are talking about). There is no such language as Bamdera, period. And comparing Wolof and Bambara, two language you don't know, with Classical Arabic (another language you don't know), and claiming that one is richer than the other is very ignorant on your part. Becuz not only do you know even know these languages, comparing different languages richness is not only subjective, but it can sometimes be like comparing apples with oranges.
This 'I KNOW' NOT from what I found on the web or just created.
How about admiting that you know not period.
You claimed you have been to Senegal, did you go to Tooba?
No I didn't go to Tooba. I went to Thies and Dakar and a few villages in the country-side. One of the villages was actually a holy village but I can't remembe it's name. I was a teenager when I went and that was about 11 years ago.
I loved the places i went to and the people I met. I really hit it off with alot of the senegalese, being black, Muslim and sharing the Quranic verses we knew really created some bonds. I also did my best to pick up on Wolof phrases, I still remember a few of them to this day. I have a couple of senegalese friends now, that I met out in California. It's from one of those guys that I found out that you can choose either a French Programme or an Arabic programme (Classical and MSA) for education. I think most people choose the French Programme. And back home we've got people from all over West Africa. Mali, Liberia, Ghana you name it. I hear that in New York they have a little Senegal. Have you been? I really would like to check that out. By the way Senegalese CousCous is by far the best couscouse I've ever had and Chebudjenne (i forget the real spelling) is the BOOOOOMB. I don't like Chicken Yasa to much.
Godbless,
Anwar -
Salaam Al Khidr,
Adam, according to the Qur'an, was indeed a black man. However, theoretically, all men stemmed from Adam, and everyone on the earth is part of his progeny; this also includes the European settlers and nations. So, where do you think the racial divide came from? If all men were originally black people (Nubians), how did white people get here? Are they from another progeny outside of Adam and Eve? Although it's easy to assume that the black Nubians migrated to different parts of the world, becoming isolated from the sun and paling their skin, and developing different languages, as many scientists today claim, there are clear distinguishments between blacks and whites that far surpass the color of skin; their behaviors are completely different as well. In many cases, Nubians and Caucasians (Europeans) seem like completely different species. What do you consider to be the stem of this racial divide, and why do you think black people and white people are so different from one another?
Peace,
AhmadSalaam Ahmad,
There was another race on Earth when Adam was alive and they were a white race. They may have appeared first in the regions of the Caucasus mountains in the areas around Northern Iraq, Armenia and Turkey. These were the race of Al Jinn the descendants of Ibliss. The race or descendants of Adam were named Al Insan by God in Quran. There were two races from the start, Al Insan and Al Jinn. Al Insan were black and Al Jinn were white. The father to AL Jinn was Iblis just as the father to Al Insan was Adam. I believe both races are no longer pure however the Al Jinn still alive today are very much into nepotism and purity of bloodlines. They do not like to mix if they don't have to because they, for the most part, believe themselves to be superior to Al Insan or the descendants of Adam.
Peace
Amin
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Ok, I'm gonna have to speak out against this. Caucasians are Al-Insaan as well and NOT Jinn or the descendents of Iblis. This is supremacist trash.
The only things I will agree with is your analysis that many Caucasians have black in them (espeically those "Caucasians" who are in the Meditarranean, the Middle East, North Africa and Latin America) and that many Black people have Caucasian in them (especially blacks in North Africa, upper West Africa (including Liberia and Sierra Leone), the Middle East, Latin America, South Africa and the U.S.). And that Caucasians peoples generally have cultures that promote their supremacy, nepotism and a belief in the purity of their bloodlines. Hence they do not like to mix with others, especially Black people. On these points I agree with you. But saying that they are not Al-Insaan but sons of Iblis is pure black supremacist garbage. As well as saying that Caucasians are Jinn (who are invisible) is also trash. I don't know about you but I can see Caucasians just fine. Any Muslim who believes that Caucasians are the sons of Iblis, or that they are Jinn but not apart of Al-Insaan doesn't believe in the Quran that has come to him and that he claims to follow.
The unjust and unquranic actions and beliefs among the cultures of many Caucasians is a result of the misguided nature of those cultures. Not something intrinsic in their genetic makeup. And the same can be said of the many unjust and unquranic actions and beliefs among Black people (of AFrican and Asian descent) in Africa, Asia and the Americas. It's nice to ignore the bad in our own people and try to see just the good, but let's not blind ourselves to the sheer ignorance and lack of knowledge and ungodliness that plagues our people as well as other peoples. God tests us through poverty and riches but it is up to us to decide to get together, stop acting like crabs in a barrel, and stop being so hungry for just money, power and the awe of the people. And our so-called leaders are just as guilty of this. I need not mention the long list of Black leaders guilty of this, in the NOI and elsewhere. I even watched how Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour (a guy who has good sense in my opinion) told someone in his audience who asked why won't he lead, that he doesn't want to lead, he just wants to inspire. And i knew it was becuz he didn't have a plan. He had knowedge of his people and their potential, but no plan. None of these people have intelligent or solid plans. I'll credit Elijah Muhamamd with atleast having an economic and community building programme. And the lack of that is the problem nowadays. You've got to take the truth about race into account, but it also about transcending race and seeing the falsity of the economic system we live in and the lack of unity and self-sufficiency as the basic problem. But no-one sees this. If you guys go to my site www.quranists.com you will see under the bulletin some ideas that Muslims as a whole could use. We need to use smart and ecological technology to become self-sufficent and not promote the rat race. So far no one has enacted a real plan to use our resources to create healthy, vibrant and completely self-sufficient communities. No one wants to leave their mental and physical comfort zones.
Salaam Ahmad,
There was another race on Earth when Adam was alive and they were a white race. They may have appeared first in the regions of the Caucasus mountains in the areas around Northern Iraq, Armenia and Turkey. These were the race of Al Jinn the descendants of Ibliss. The race or descendants of Adam were named Al Insan by God in Quran. There were two races from the start, Al Insan and Al Jinn. Al Insan were black and Al Jinn were white. The father to AL Jinn was Iblis just as the father to Al Insan was Adam. I believe both races are no longer pure however the Al Jinn still alive today are very much into nepotism and purity of bloodlines. They do not like to mix if they don't have to because they, for the most part, believe themselves to be superior to Al Insan or the descendants of Adam.
Peace
Amin
Godbless,
Anwar -
Progod...
The indigenous population of Senegal, Tooba and various other regions are NOT speaking 'Arabic'...
They speak Woloof and dialects related to Woloof NOT 'Arabic'
'Arabic' is NOT Woloof, yet its used as a 'common' language, just like english or swahili
Again, Speak what you KNOW not what you THINK
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Mr. Deen
You mean ridiculous right? Anyway what is so ridiculous about it? I was hoping for a more insightful comment. I have been researching this for a long time and the only conclusion of Al Jinn as mentioned in Quran that does not cause contradiction is the one that they are a race of people on Earth. I have followed the claims that Al Jinn represents the so called fiery side of man and the claims that they are invisible spooks but both sides always bring up terrible contradiction when studied from a Quranic perspective. If it contradicts it is not from God, nor is it the truth.
I think one thing people have missed is that Al Jinn and Al Insan are uniquely Quranic words. They have no English equivalent which is why there has been so much confusion in translation. Bashar means a human or humanity and is an Arabic word predating Quran but Insan is not nor is Jinn. The best translation of Al Insan would be 'of the blood line of Adam' and Al Jinn would be 'of the bloodline of Iblis' its quite simple actually. Also, I have found no evidence of Al Jinn as it is used in Quran existing in pre-Islamic Arabia. There are other uniquely Quranic words such as saqar but few people have looked into this phenomenon which is why I would like others opinions on it here. I'm still looking into these things and need some help.
Another thing to consider is that both Insan and Jinn are always prefixed with the definite article Al, meaning they are not a general term but refer to a unique and specific name or title. Of course the silly notion of spooky Jinn comes from pre-islamic paganism and originated first from Armenia (a white race) and migrated to northern Italy and Rome almost 4000 years ago, but the name used for them was Genius in Latin, which later became Genie in French and from that became the English word Genie we know today. The only other existing Arabic manuscript which speaks of spooky Jinn that I know of, and this came after Quran, is the story's of 1001 nights. The one about Alladin and his lamps and other fairy tales from the area. Most of these were written by Persians and this book can be dated to almost the exact same time that the Hadith we read today were being penned. Coincidence? I doubt it.
Even the translator of the most famous English translation of 1001 Nights could find no pre-Islamic Arabic roots for Al Jinn as is found in Quran. The word just did not exist until Quran came around. What happened is that the spooky concepts of Genius migrated East of Rome about 1000 years before Muhammad and penetrated some areas of Northern Arabia. These concepts were known to pagan Arabs as Ginayye. Phonetically very identical to the Genius. These superstitious concepts were only later inserted into Quranic tafsir around when the Hadith were being penned, again at the same time 1001 Nights was being written.
There is an entire Surah in Quran dedicated to Al Jinn. This is because they are a race of men descended from Iblis but have always made their presence hidden to Al Insan. And this is because they consider themselves mortal enemies to Al Insan. Muhammad and his companions who witnessed the revelation of Quran knew very well of this race of people and their origins. They were told to be careful of them.
Allah made everything in pairs including the human race which includes Al Jinn and Al Insan. A black race and a white race. There is a lot of archeological evidence which points to a white race which evolved independently of an African black race and came from the areas of Armenia and the Caucasus Mountains. 6000 year old Nubian writings have also been found which tell of a white race which appeared from the north and caused trouble. So much so that they had to be physically escorted from the area. This white Al Jinn race of course still exists and they exist in their purest form in some of the richest and most dominating families in the world today. These include the blue blooded European Royal families, The DuPonts, The Rothschilds, The Rockefellers, The Van Duyns, The Disneys...to name a few. All of these families still try to only marry cousins or second cousins. They want to keep their blood lines as pure as possible. Remember why Iblis was cursed in the beginning? Because he was so arrogant and believed he was the superior race to Adam. The families of Al Jinn for the most part still think this way. I'm being serious man. This is the way it is. Allah created a pair of races to populate the Earth and one would, in a sense, be enemy to the other.
Some mixing must have occurred. The Jinn only mixed when they were faced with the inevitable consequence of genetic deficiency which occurs through excessive inbreeding. Funny how God created these two races that inevitably would be forced to mix. Anyway, this undesirable effect of inbreeding was felt by a lot of the above mentioned families in the early part of the 20th century and late 19th century when many of their inbred children were still born or born with mental and physical defects. All popular concepts of genome collecting and eugenics comes from these people.
You should really look into this more and take it seriously because I know for sure that the Jinn take it very seriously. BTW, I doubt you or I have much Jinn in us at all if any. They are very selective. And unless you are related one of the 13 richest families in the world I doubt you are a Jinn. If you were you would probably be off creating world policy and manipulating world finances somewhere, not playing around on these message boards.
I have loads of information on these human Jinn so feel free to ask.
peace
And please feel free to talk about what you KNOW.... OR what you THINK. I would hate to censor peoples thoughts. After all how can we come to know anything if we don't first think?
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You have followed a mindset that is in conflict with the statement that Iblis refused to bow, because he was of the jinn race. He refused to do the will of God. Any human can be muslim.
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Hey Progod,
I understand your reaction to what I said about Caucasians but please don't misunderstand me. I am not trying to promote one race over another. All I'm saying is that in the beginning their were two races. One happened to have black skin and the other white skin. It doesn't really matter what color their skin was. I myself am a mix of European Caucasian, Central American Native and Palestinian Semite. I may very well have blood from the original Jinn race in me. I think we have to stop thinking in terms of race as we understand it today. No one is pure anymore. We should just say their were to types of men created and they had different skin color for whatever reason God chose this to be. Research the origins of the words Al Jinn and Al Insan. You will see what I'm talking about. These are clearly separate titles that God used to describe the different lineages.
Who really cares what color they were in the beginning, except to understand our history. Also notice how I mentioned above that despite the fact that this pair of races were created separately and as enemies, God with his divine sense of humor, made it physically impossible for us not to interbreed. Man I love Gods sense of humor and irony. Despite our different origins, we are forced to interact and work together. However, their still exist some Jinn families who are hell bent on fulfilling Iblis' goal of trying to take as many Insan to hell with him, through idolatry. The only way they can guarantee success.
Yes, many people who you would look at and in first glance call Caucasian are indeed of the Insan bloodline or mostly of it. But what is a Caucasian to you nowadays anyway? Someone who is REALLY white or just a little white? Or do they have to be from Armenia? I think you are getting upset mostly about semantics. The word Caucasian does not stand for either Insan or Jinn or any race for that matter. It is a relatively new word that people generally identify with anyone who has a lighter shade of skin. So yes, some so called Caucasians are Insan AND some so called Caucasians are Al Jinn. It's common sense to see it that way. Besides, even modern science has put a thorn in the side of racism based on skin color because now we can trace our racial ancestries through genetic blood lines and not by our shade of black or white or brown.
The word race is a misnomer today. It really cant describe accurately what race really is because we always connect it with skin color. Race is simply ancestry and bloodlines, or in other words families, tribes etc, and in the beginning there were 2 families. Al Jinn and Al Insan. Everything in pairs brother. I love the way God works.
BTW, its nice to be active again on these boards. Hope everyone is fairing well.
Peace
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You have followed a mindset that is in conflict with the statement that Iblis refused to bow, because he was of the jinn race. He refused to do the will of God. Any human can be muslim.
And some jinn too. However, satan refused. And this does not support your racist statment. Indeed it is Iblis here, who is the racist.Hey Mr. Deen,
I don't quite follow what you are saying here, but I do agree that Iblis was the racist. He simply could not consider himself as an equal to Adam and his lineage. This is why he was damned from the get go. And this is why a small minority of people alive today who are very obsessive with their direct genetic line to Iblis are still trying to carry out his plan of trying to drag as many Insan to hell with them. However there are some members of these Jinn families that don't walk the walk of their first father.
Think about it. What is the main form of corruption that has infiltrated every religion? That's right Idolatry or shirk. Remember, the only unforgivable sin if practiced until death? The Hadith, the Talmud, the Straw man of Jesus, all of these things are innovations of the very Human Jinn living among us coercing us all towards idolatry through our ignorance. It's easy to identify them because God revealed their master plan to us all in Quran. They have specific character traits, one being arrogance but over all it is their master plan that will identify them. Anyone who manipulates us towards Shirk on a mass scale willingly is definitely a Jinn. Think United Nations and their call to a New world order and religion of earth worship. It's all there. Thank God for Quran or we might still really be in the dark as to who these people are and what they are up to.
peace brother
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Amin74 Jesus was white, in other words?
No Jesus was black and a direct line of Al Insan. Even in the Bible he frequently makes this known by calling himself the Son of Man. The Son of Man means of the lineage of Adam. He also uses the dichotomy of the two races when he confronts the corrupt Pharisees on the Mount of Olives as seen in John 8, who were no doubt of a much paler skin tone. He first makes a strong emphasis on his own origins when asked who he is by the Pharisees by almost sternly proclaiming he is the Son of Man, or of Adams blood line, then he turns to the Pharisees and openly proclaims them to not only be NOT of Jesus' ancestry but children or descendants of the Devil. Read it. Its quite good. It was these Pharisees and their heritage that were responsible for the mammoth tome of Talmud, the idolatrous addition to Judaism, the equivalent to Islam's hadith. The Jinn at work.
Peace
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http//www.islamawakened.com/Quran/4/171/
No, he calls himself Son of Man, is because he is of fatherless origin, like Adam.
What is your commentary on the above verse, where Jesus is said to be a spirit of God? (and according to you, Jesus by this, is a decendant of Satan, and white)
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http//www.islamawakened.com/Quran/4/171/
No, he calls himself Son of Man, is because he is of fatherless origin, like Adam.
What is your commentary on the above verse, where Jesus is said to be a spirit of God? (and according to you, Jesus by this, is a decendant of Satan, and white)
Mr. Deen,
Right now, based on the evidence I have collected, I am leaning more towards the concept that Mary was not a virgin and that Jesus was born the old fashioned way just like the rest of the prophets. But that is another topic. However if this were true than he couldn't possibly be speaking of a fatherless birth when mentioning the Son of Man. I'm quite sure that his Son of Man reference was about his lineage to Adam's blood line. Also, it may have been that his father was Gabriel in human form...hmmmm. I noticed in that link you showed me, that the word for spirit might be equated with Gabriel. If so, perhaps Gabriel was his father, but Mary would have been a black woman and of the Al Insan bloodline which would make Jesus also a Son of Man or a descendant of Adam. Also, if you look at every other reference to Angels in Quran when they interact with people, they are always in the form of Men or humans. As if, once Angels enter the physical world they must take human form. Both Lut and Abraham were fooled into thinking their angelic guests were just human. If this is the case, then it would make sense that when Gabriel visited Mary he was in Human form and perhaps he procreated with her. But Gabriel is not Iblis as Iblis is a completely different personality and came to Earth the same time Adam did and fathered children as Adam did. In other words Iblis was just a mortal man. So I don't see how you equate this with Jesus being white and a son of Iblis. Besides, do we know what color Gabriel's skin was when he came to Mary in human form? Me thinks he would have chosen to appear much like the people of the area and been black, but who knows. Interesting, but now that you have reminded me, I think I have heard of this theory of angelic copulation which lead to Jesus birth before. Have to look into it more.
Peace