Muhammad is a White Man?
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Edip,
I agree with you in general but you said two wrong things.
- Muhammad was an Arab and Arabs are not black.
- Arabs were cousins of Jews and they are not black either.
There are black Arabs, and some of them are Native to Saudi Arabia. The Mahra are an example of this
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeJFoK9jWLshttp//www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsXVRmahwko
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHz7CbOxTV8
http//www.andaman.org/BOOK/chapter47/text47.htm
As for Jews being black there are also black Jews.
http//www.blackjews.org/
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HDHR3Ck3BE
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmcEPv9F_Ao
http//www.mindspring.com/~jaypsand/index.htm
And if Moses' (God bless him) hand turned white, he could not have been white.
And if you take it from the Bible, Arabs are mixed with Black Egyptians. Remember Hagar? And there are a whole other slew of children of Mizraim that mixed with the children of Mizraim and I believe aslo Kush. And Moses married an Ethiopian and I'm sure they intermarried with the black Egyptians during their stay in Egypt. So despite this issue of cousins of Shem and Ham and etc, if we take the children of Ham as black (and assume that the other brothers were not black) then if your read through the Bible you will see that the children of Ham intermixed heavily with the children of Ham. Even Nimrod, who founded Ur, was a Hamite
Godbless,
Anwar -
Salaam Ahmad,
I agree. Knowing the skin color helps us understand who is who. What I meant was in the long run it doesn't matter anymore what skin color you have because most of us are all mixed up. You cant rely on skin color alone to know who the Jinn are anymore though it can help. It is best now to trace genetics to find origins of ancestry.
Anyway I believe you are mistaken about the Black race not being able to reproduce a recessive gene. I learned this in High School biology. The black race contains genetic information for both dominant and recessive genes. In fact there is a 7 to 9% chance that two black couples and give birth to a child that displays recessive qualities in one generation. The chances are slim but it is possible. Therefor, the black race could have fathered different skin tones in the long run. This is scientific fact my brother.
However, the white race does not contain the elements of a dominant gene. It is impossible for two white people or two people with recessive traits to give birth to a child containing dominant genes. That is two white people can never have a dark skinned child. This makes it even more difficult to tell who is who nowadays.
I have also heard the theory of Eve procreating with Iblis and it could be true especially if we consider all the stories of Adams eviction center around shame and sexual overtones. An interesting topic.
Anyway, thanks for the comments. This topic really can get people fired up. That is talking about Insan and Jinn and races etc. I like it. Take care.
Peace
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Salaam Ahmad,
I agree. Knowing the skin color helps us understand who is who. What I meant was in the long run it doesn't matter anymore what skin color you have because most of us are all mixed up. You cant rely on skin color alone to know who the Jinn are anymore though it can help. It is best now to trace genetics to find origins of ancestry.
Anyway I believe you are mistaken about the Black race not being able to reproduce a recessive gene. I learned this in High School biology. The black race contains genetic information for both dominant and recessive genes. In fact there is a 7 to 9% chance that two black couples and give birth to a child that displays recessive qualities in one generation. The chances are slim but it is possible. Therefor, the black race could have fathered different skin tones in the long run. This is scientific fact my brother.
However, the white race does not contain the elements of a dominant gene. It is impossible for two white people or two people with recessive traits to give birth to a child containing dominant genes. That is two white
PeaceWow, you just disregarded all religious logic, and kept following your faulty mindset. As Edip said, Satans sows the seeds of enemity (biblically inspired phrase). (And here he has explained himself away, lost in an ever-diffusing genepool.. confused )
We created you and then formed you and then We said to the angels, ?Prostrate before Adam,? and they prostrated?except for Iblis. He was not among those who prostrated. He (Allah) said, ?What prevented you from prostrating when I commanded you to?? He (Iblis) replied, ?I am better than him. You created me from fire and You created him from clay.?
He (Allah) said, ?Descend from Heaven. It is not for you to be arrogant in it. So get out! You are one of the abased.? (Surat al-A?raf 11-13)
He said, ?Grant me a reprieve until the day they are raised up.?
He (Allah) said, ?You are one of the reprieved.?
He said, ?By Your misguidance of me, I will lie in ambush for them on Your straight path. Then I will come at them, from in front of them and behind them, from their right and from their left. You will not find most of them thankful.?
He (Allah) said, ?Get out of it, reviled and driven out. As for those of them who follow you, I will fill up Hell with every one of you.? (Surat al-A?raf 14-18 )
A good example of a man following satan here, shows indeed, the spirit of satan. (amin74, claiming white men are the decendants of Satan, and simultaniously explaining away Satan..)
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You are kind of funny mister deen. Are you white? Oh oh maybe you are the spawn of the devil...! Quit worrying about races and focus on the facts. Iblis was the father of a white race meaning they had a white skin tone but the race is identified by a God given name, Al Jinn. Insan is for Adams bloodlines. Quit thinking in black and white, this is what breeds racism, just think in terms of two different Fathers of two different families or tribes. The devil is Iblis who was a mortal. I have not explained him away but actually explained him into existence since the mumbo jumbo of spooky jinns and the fiery side of man jinns do the job of explaining away the devil perfectly.
The verses you posted are great. They show what character traits dominate the psyche of the Jinn that are manipulating our world today. Did you know that George bush is a blood line descendant of Count Vlad Dracul or Vlad the Impaler of Romania? Who was indeed a fair skinned man from the same areas that a white race was believed to originate from. Kind of interesting. Bush very well may have strong Jinn genetics running through his blue blood. This is also true for the royal family.
You know you could have Iblis blood running through your veins but so what?! You found God, what have you to worry about?
Peace, don't let thoughts of white Jinn make you lose sleep.
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You are kind of funny mister deen. Are you white? Oh oh maybe you are the spawn of the devil...! Quit worrying about races and focus on the facts. Iblis was the father of a white race meaning they had a white skin tone but the race is identified by a God given name, Al Jinn. Insan is for Adams bloodlines. Quit thinking in black and white, this is what breeds racism, just think in terms of two different Fathers of two different families or tribes. The devil is Iblis who was a mortal. I have not explained him away but actually explained him into existence since the mumbo jumbo of spooky jinns and the fiery side of man jinns do the job of explaining away the devil perfectly.
The verses you posted are great. They show what character traits dominate the psyche of the Jinn that are manipulating our world today. Did you know that George bush is a blood line descendant of Count Vlad Dracul or Vlad the Impaler of Romania? Who was indeed a fair skinned man from the same areas that a white race was believed to originate from. Kind of interesting. Bush very well may have strong Jinn genetics running through his blue blood. This is also true for the royal family.
You know you could have Iblis blood running through your veins but so what?! You found God, what have you to worry about?
Peace, don't let thoughts of white Jinn make you lose sleep.
This just keeps getting better. George Bush is a vampire. What's next, Obama is Satan himself. Oh yeah you already said that.
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George Bush is not a vampire...come one man don't be ridiculous. And quit building straw men out of my claims. Be logical please. And Vlad Dracul wasn't a vampire. His life just inspired the fairy tale. Anyway, I forgot to tell you that I found an article that states Obama is a distant cousin of both Dick Cheney AND George Bush. So claims Lynee Cheney, Dicks wife. So maybe Obama IS the spawn of the devil! Who knew??? Link is below
http//www.nypost.com/seven/10172007/news/regionalnews/dissing_cousins__obama__cheney.htm
Its a mad world brother.
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George Bush is not a vampire...come one man don't be ridiculous. And quit building straw men out of my claims. Be logical please. And Vlad Dracul wasn't a vampire. His life just inspired the fairy tale. Anyway, I forgot to tell you that I found an article that states Obama is a distant cousin of both Dick Cheney AND George Bush. So claims Lynee Cheney, Dicks wife. So maybe Obama IS the spawn of the devil! Who knew??? Link is below
http//www.nypost.com/seven/10172007/news/regionalnews/dissing_cousins__obama__cheney.htm
Its a mad world brother.
Amin.. there are no strawmen here, it is you, who claim some kind of moral perfection of black men, and that white men are the ones, who whisper evil into their minds.
Spawn of satan was your own words. Satan does not reproduce, it is a spirit. Else one would have "children of satan". Where do you find this concept in the Quran?And if you were to put black men, unmixed, pure race, they would not commit evil, since the presence of satan is not there?
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Amin.. there are no strawmen here, it is you, who claim some kind of moral perfection of black men, and that white men are the ones, who whisper evil into their minds.
Spawn of satan was your own words. Satan does not reproduce, it is a spirit. Else one would have "children of satan". Where do you find this concept in the Quran?And if you were to put black men, unmixed, pure race, they would not commit evil, since the presence of satan is not there?
No...YOU build the straw men. You claimed Bush was a vampire not me. You started the spawn of Satan in regards to Obama. I simply followed up sarcastically but now I've had enough of your straw men. Now you have finally made a claim to suggest your own opinion. How long did that take Mr Straw Man? So show me your evidence that Satan is a spirit... I'll wait. Then I will show you the evidence from Quran that Iblis or Satan was a man on Earth, not a spook. What do you follow the silly hadith that say Jinn are invisible spooks who eat feces and live in your toilet?
It's late on this side of the planet so I will try to respond tonight. If not I will soon.
Peace...
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No...YOU build the straw men. You claimed Bush was a vampire not me. You started the spawn of Satan in regards to Obama. I simply followed up sarcastically but now I've had enough of your straw men. Now you have finally made a claim to suggest your own opinion. How long did that take Mr Straw Man? So show me your evidence that Satan is a spirit... I'll wait. Then I will show you the evidence from Quran that Iblis or Satan was a man on Earth, not a spook. What do you follow the silly hadith that say Jinn are invisible spooks who eat feces and live in your toilet?
It's late on this side of the planet so I will try to respond tonight. If not I will soon.
Peace...
....We're off to see the wizard, the wonderful wizard of........It is not a question of denying that jinn is the white race, or alternatively, that they are offensive beings, as described in hadith. However Satan has gained his reputation.
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It is not a question of denying that jinn is the white race, or alternatively, that they are offensive beings, as described in hadith. However Satan has gained his reputation.
You did not answer my question? Are black men morally superior?Mr. Deen,
I'll have to make this my last post tonight. But I think you can answer your own question. Of course black people aren't morally superior, each man woman and child has the free will to be of high moral value whether you are Jinn or Insan. First to be more precise, define black men. Is that anyone of a pure negroid race? Is Obama black etc etc. I think it is pointless to reduce morality to the color of our skin but as has been said before it can be useful in tracing our ancestry.
Second, our morals depend almost completely on our upbringing. Regardless of our skin color or blood line ancestry, if we are raised in a community of good moral values then chances are we will become a person with a strong moral character. Now keeping that in mind, imagine you are born to a very pure line of Iblis or the Jinn. And imagine that your family and peers were very headstrong about following Iblis promise of bringing as many Insan to hell as possible. This would be taught to you and become part of your character, thus you would most likely be of a low moral standard. Now perhaps, because you are of a pure Jinn bloodline, your skin may most likely be of a paler tone, but so what? That doesn't mean we can generalize and say white people are of lower moral stock.
Having said that, you cant deny that the world bankers and royal bloodlines that dominate world policy are almost exclusively white AND they have portrayed qualities of blatant racism, not to mention other Jinn like qualities as told in Quran. They are also strong supporters of eugenics policies. So put the dots together man, So what if the royal family have white skin. So what if they are Jinn. The fact is they are judged by their actions and intentions NOT their skin tone.
Peace and good night.
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salam,
i know this is not my debate, but i like to ask a question, what color did the quran come in, black white green yellow maybe purple......... so lets assume mohamad was black so what, lets say he is white again so what, but i will say one thing, in the quran it says that, the quran came down in arabic so mohamad was arab, but in 997 it says al2a3rabo ashado kufron w nifaqan, if i am to compare what arabs are and what blacks are, i would say the majority of arabs are as god says ashada kufron and blacks have always been the kinder of the two, they might not all be muslims but when it comes to faith blacks with a majority have faith.therefore mohamad could not have been black. -
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O Mankind! Indeed, We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes so that you might (affectionately) come to know one another. Surely, the most honored among you, in the Sight of God, is the one who is best in conduct. Indeed, God is Knower, Aware.
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Peace,
the quran came down in arabic so mohamad was arab, but in 997 it says al2a3rabo ashado kufron w nifaqan, if i am to compare what arabs are and what blacks are, i would say the majority of arabs are as god says ashada kufron and blacks have always been the kinder of the two, they might not all be muslims but when it comes to faith blacks with a majority have faith.therefore mohamad could not have been black
Anna, what is this? You can be black AND Arab!! And there are still many black Arabs. Arab is both a tribal and a linguistic classification. Al-Jahiz (famous black scholar from Iraq, in the 800's) names a number of Arab tribes who are Black (and Arab of course).
So there are only two ways you can be Arab, you assimilate into Arab culture and learn to speak Arabic fluently (best done from childhood through adoption, being the children of immigrants, imported slaves or the like). OR you (if you are female) bear children to an Arab male of a traditional tribe. Later on assimilated Arabs end up choosing the tribes they want to belong to. And both whites who came to the region as slaves and immigrants and blacks some of whom were orignally in the region and others who came as immigrants or were brought as slaves can be Arabs.
So you can be a white Arab of Caucasian descent, or a black Arab of original Arabian stock or African stock. You can even be an Arab of Asiatic descent. Or (the category that most Arabs fall in) you can be an Arab of mix of Caucasian, Black Arabian, Black African and Asiatic descent. And this mixture is among these 4 groups to varying degrees depending on the region and the family. Take 'Antar who was a famous black Arab poet and warrior. It is said he was so black his nickname was the crow. And take the Arab tribes that Al-Jahiz mentions as tribes of Black Arabs. The Red Arabs are mixed Arabs between these groups(with caucasion being over 50 percent). The darker the Arab the more black is in him, the lighter the more Caucasian or Asiatic he has. The asiatic also shows in more slanted eyes and wider faces especially from cheek bone to cheek bone. How did Asians get to Arabia? Trade, indirect mixture with incoming Muslims closer to China and the Moghul invasions. It is this same mixture (except all of the blacks involved are native Asian blacks, like the kind found in Bagladesh, southern India, Melanesia, the Negritos of the Philipines and Papua New guinea) that has formed the looks of the Pakistanis and the Indians. And the Philipinos, Thais, Cambodians and southern Chinese are mixtures of those black populations and the Lighter Mongoloids.
As for black people having faith. That is a postive stereotype, but a stereotype none the less. There are many faithless Kuffar among black people (muslim and non-Muslim alike). Just as there are faithful. And the same can be said for the Arabs. The faithful are few among all of humanity. I think that that translation of ashhadu as the most is wrong. In MSA it means the most. Example huwa ashaddu kufran = He is the most unbelieving/unfaithful. But in Classical Arabic a phrase like that means = He is most unbelieving/unfaithful. not the most.
But the Quran does imply that the Arab tribes on the most part have not believe in the message. Which tells us that no one can look to the Arabs (black white or inbetween) and their culture for guidance, but rather we need to look to the Quran, knowledge and wisdom.
Godbless,
Anwar -
Peace,
I don't believe that the Africans to the Americas were Children of Israel, and to be honest I'm not sure where these pictures came from. But it's food for thought. I will be looking into it some more
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i_cUvZRBPk&feature=related
Godbless,
Anwar -
Salaam Amin74,
I believe you are mistaken about the Black race not being able to reproduce a recessive gene. I learned this in High School biology. The black race contains genetic information for both dominant and recessive genes. In fact there is a 7 to 9% chance that two black couples and give birth to a child that displays recessive qualities in one generation. The chances are slim but it is possible. Therefor, the black race could have fathered different skin tones in the long run. This is scientific fact my brother.
You are correct in this matter, but I was speaking specifically about the time of Adam and Eve. Since they were the first humans, they didn't have any of the characteristics necessary to produce recessive genes, and therefore, together they could've only produced black children. However, since white people have genetics bases of recessive genes, it is physiologically impossible for them to produce black children, and this has been the same way throughout history... Either way, it boils down to a case of genetic ancestry. If Adam was black, then white people cannot be decendants of Adam. On the other hand, if Adam was white, then black people cannot be decendant of Adam. Either way, only one group is part of his lineage.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Do you have any idea how inappropriate and offensive it is to paint entire races with 'character traits' ? To say the "white race" (THERE IS NO SUCH THING) is characterized by arrogance and pride is as bad as saying the "black race" (again, NO SUCH THING) is characterized by ignorance and violence. Why do you insist on broad characterizations based on COLOR, the most superficial of all things? What you are basically doing is JUDGING the character of every white skinned person BEFORE you even speak to that person. That's PREJUDICE. I know that you are using the Qu'ran to give divine authority to your point of view so anything I say contrary to it is just going to be my own unacceptance of holy wisdom, right? This reminds me a lot of the European settlers who arrived in America and used the Bible and the gun to systematically exterminate an entire continent of people based on similar preconceptions. You may not commiting the acts but the same mindset is there. You think you are better?
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I don't know what color any of them were, but I'd wager a bet they weren't white. History is pretty clear on how the "white Jesus" myth came about. We can find out in the hereafter, GOD-willing.
But my question for you is why does it matter what color they were? I understand that you want to learn and spread truth over ignorance, but why this particular topic ("race" of prophets/of original man)? You are putting a lot of emphasis on their skin color -- what is your goal in asserting this information?
Salaam
If it doesn?t matter then why did they change the image of the Prophets? Truth can stand on its own but we need to go out and destroy falsehood. The purpose of the white race whether they are Christian or Muslims for changing the color of the Prophets, Angels and even in Christianity God is design to make people of color feel inferior and at the same time exalt their whiteness or their superiority so its necessary to refute this ignorance/racism committed by them since they are the one?s who created this lie, myth, falsehood. Al Jahiz a great high esteemed scholar who was an Arab-a Black or African Arab at that back in the days wrote a book addressing the color of Prophet Muhammad?s family because of the racism by the pale arabs during his time and Saudi Arabs gov. banned the publication of his (Al Jahiz) book in our day and time. Its funny that the Saudi so-called Arabs done this but yet they are exalting the false hadiyths which states that Muhammad is a white man and there are hadiyths which says he (Muhammad) has white-reddish skin which is a common complexion among the white race. I know TRUTH IS HARD TO DEAL WITH. You see we are victims of this lie, this racism and really your questioned should be channelled at white people for changing the image and exalting their whiteness. We all agree that it does not matter what color they are but as long as we have this racism existing in Christianity and in Islaam we have to address it, we have to expose it from its root to DESTROY IT!
TRUTH IS TRUTH
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Mr. Deen
You mean ridiculous right? Anyway what is so ridiculous about it? I was hoping for a more insightful comment. I have been researching this for a long time and the only conclusion of Al Jinn as mentioned in Quran that does not cause contradiction is the one that they are a race of people on Earth. I have followed the claims that Al Jinn represents the so called fiery side of man and the claims that they are invisible spooks but both sides always bring up terrible contradiction when studied from a Quranic perspective. If it contradicts it is not from God, nor is it the truth.
I think one thing people have missed is that Al Jinn and Al Insan are uniquely Quranic words. They have no English equivalent which is why there has been so much confusion in translation. Bashar means a human or humanity and is an Arabic word predating Quran but Insan is not nor is Jinn. The best translation of Al Insan would be 'of the blood line of Adam' and Al Jinn would be 'of the bloodline of Iblis' its quite simple actually. Also, I have found no evidence of Al Jinn as it is used in Quran existing in pre-Islamic Arabia. There are other uniquely Quranic words such as saqar but few people have looked into this phenomenon which is why I would like others opinions on it here. I'm still looking into these things and need some help.
Another thing to consider is that both Insan and Jinn are always prefixed with the definite article Al, meaning they are not a general term but refer to a unique and specific name or title. Of course the silly notion of spooky Jinn comes from pre-islamic paganism and originated first from Armenia (a white race) and migrated to northern Italy and Rome almost 4000 years ago, but the name used for them was Genius in Latin, which later became Genie in French and from that became the English word Genie we know today. The only other existing Arabic manuscript which speaks of spooky Jinn that I know of, and this came after Quran, is the story's of 1001 nights. The one about Alladin and his lamps and other fairy tales from the area. Most of these were written by Persians and this book can be dated to almost the exact same time that the Hadith we read today were being penned. Coincidence? I doubt it.
Even the translator of the most famous English translation of 1001 Nights could find no pre-Islamic Arabic roots for Al Jinn as is found in Quran. The word just did not exist until Quran came around. What happened is that the spooky concepts of Genius migrated East of Rome about 1000 years before Muhammad and penetrated some areas of Northern Arabia. These concepts were known to pagan Arabs as Ginayye. Phonetically very identical to the Genius. These superstitious concepts were only later inserted into Quranic tafsir around when the Hadith were being penned, again at the same time 1001 Nights was being written.
There is an entire Surah in Quran dedicated to Al Jinn. This is because they are a race of men descended from Iblis but have always made their presence hidden to Al Insan. And this is because they consider themselves mortal enemies to Al Insan. Muhammad and his companions who witnessed the revelation of Quran knew very well of this race of people and their origins. They were told to be careful of them.
Allah made everything in pairs including the human race which includes Al Jinn and Al Insan. A black race and a white race. There is a lot of archeological evidence which points to a white race which evolved independently of an African black race and came from the areas of Armenia and the Caucasus Mountains. 6000 year old Nubian writings have also been found which tell of a white race which appeared from the north and caused trouble. So much so that they had to be physically escorted from the area. This white Al Jinn race of course still exists and they exist in their purest form in some of the richest and most dominating families in the world today. These include the blue blooded European Royal families, The DuPonts, The Rothschilds, The Rockefellers, The Van Duyns, The Disneys...to name a few. All of these families still try to only marry cousins or second cousins. They want to keep their blood lines as pure as possible. Remember why Iblis was cursed in the beginning? Because he was so arrogant and believed he was the superior race to Adam. The families of Al Jinn for the most part still think this way. I'm being serious man. This is the way it is. Allah created a pair of races to populate the Earth and one would, in a sense, be enemy to the other.
Some mixing must have occurred. The Jinn only mixed when they were faced with the inevitable consequence of genetic deficiency which occurs through excessive inbreeding. Funny how God created these two races that inevitably would be forced to mix. Anyway, this undesirable effect of inbreeding was felt by a lot of the above mentioned families in the early part of the 20th century and late 19th century when many of their inbred children were still born or born with mental and physical defects. All popular concepts of genome collecting and eugenics comes from these people.
You should really look into this more and take it seriously because I know for sure that the Jinn take it very seriously. BTW, I doubt you or I have much Jinn in us at all if any. They are very selective. And unless you are related one of the 13 richest families in the world I doubt you are a Jinn. If you were you would probably be off creating world policy and manipulating world finances somewhere, not playing around on these message boards.
I have loads of information on these human Jinn so feel free to ask.
peace
And please feel free to talk about what you KNOW.... OR what you THINK. I would hate to censor peoples thoughts. After all how can we come to know anything if we don't first think?
Salaam Amin74
Its nice to see you in here.
A lot of Muslims are under the false impression that the Jinn (while on earth) are invisible spirits floating around in the air when the Qur?aan addresses the Jinn as a human race on earth.
Below are two links that any body can download to get a pdf document on the Jinn. Basically I wrote this to refute Arnold?s research on the Jinn and there are two versions of this
This version contains my research and Amin74 research
http//www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd2/jinn.htmThis version contains my research
http//kushite.webs.com/jinn.htm