The Shahada
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peace all
imo, if one needs to SAY anything in order to enter enter something... to me it sounds like a sect,
islam is not a club you enter by saying some magic wordsTo become a Submitter (Muslim), you do not need to talk to anyone because it is a private affair between you and the Lord. However, to become a member of a Muslim community, the story is different. You have to announce your allegiance to Allah and to the leader of the community.
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Peace to all,
According to the Quran, Mohammed and all the believers were instructed to follow the "millat Ibraheem"/religion of Abraham, and that means all of our religious practices came through him... Do you think Abraham said, "Mohammed is the messenger of GOD"? Absolutely not, since Mohammed wasn't even alive during Abraham's lifetime. So, if Abraham was a muslim/submitter and we are following the religion of Abraham, then testifying to Mohammed's messengership is not a requirement of becoming a submitter to GOD.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Dear Rashidala
Below is an excerpt from my footnote for verse 318. It contains the pictures of two coins from Umayyad and Abbasid dynasties supporting the Quranic version of shahada
Peace,
Edippaece
http//www.vcoins.com/ancient/sphinx/store/listCategoriesAndProducts.asp?idCategory=80
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peace all
imo, if one needs to SAY anything in order to enter enter something... to me it sounds like a sect,
islam is not a club you enter by saying some magic wordsAs of today;
Islam IS a sect..
Unless you say those 'magic words', then you're a kafirrun..
Hell will be your abode..
As Heaven is preserved for those belongs to the Islam sect or often called themselves muslim...If you're not a member of any sect; then obviously and most definitely you're a secular...
As "Secular" by definition IS NON-SECTARIAN / not belongs and/or embrace any specific religious sects..And according to those who belongs to the Islam, Judaism, Christianism sect..
The secular people will burn in hell for eternity....Do you dare to be 'secular' ??
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Asalaamu Alaikum brothers and sisters.. I prefer to go with Qur'an only thoughts when available, so would you mind giving me your thoughts on the Shahada?
Some say it is a form of Shirk to associate Muhammad with Allah, as this is not in the Qur'an.. some support it by Hadith, which we both do not take stock in.
If we did accept it and we are supposed to give equal respect to all prophets, that would make for a very long Shahada indeed.. lol.
Yes, I have read the article here on FM which deals with this yet I do not know precisely on this exact question.
I think, a Shahada which just had "There is no God but God" in arabic would be quite sufficient.. yet I do not wish to go on my own thoughts alone.
Below is the Arabic break down for the Shahaada
http//i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd277/sayf22/Shahaada%2018/Ch3v18Arabicbreakdowntransliteratio.jpg
You can also visit this website proves further proves the Shahaada in the Qur'aan
http//kushite.webs.com/shahaada.htm
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Below is the Arabic break down for the Shahaada
http//i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd277/sayf22/Shahaada%2018/Ch3v18Arabicbreakdowntransliteratio.jpg
You can also visit this website proves further proves the Shahaada in the Qur'aan
http//kushite.webs.com/shahaada.htm
Peace
How can i say this shahada im not a God confused
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Peace
How can i say this shahada im not a God confused
no afridi ,im sorry to inform you, but you are not god, but this verse is proof for today that shahda is only for god, when god himself did shahada and not included anyone else in it, is proof for all sunna and shia that shahada belongs to god alone, otherwise god would have added others if it were to be. but as we see in chapter 631 god speaks of the monafiqeen as coming and doing shahada to mohamad as well, there are 2 reasons for this ayat, one is to prove that ANYONE who does shahada for mohamad or other is a monafiq, even today it is done, but out of ignorance, as i used to....and the second reason is to show that god does not approve of shahada to other then him as he says hes knows that mohamad is his messenger and then goes to do shahada or witness that they are the monafiqeen which again shows that if god wanted to do shahada for other then himself it would not be hard
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Peace Afridi220,
How can i say this shahada im not a God confused
Why would you have to be GOD (Allah) in order to declare this shahaada? It is for everyone to bear witness to, and this is evident by the verse saying
...wa'al maala'ikatu wa ulul ilmi... (and the angels and those who possess knowledge)
These are the ones who bear witness/testify that there is only one god, Allah. It's not only GOD who says this; it's all the submitters.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace Afridi220,
Why would you have to be GOD (Allah) in order to declare this shahaada? It is for everyone to bear witness to, and this is evident by the verse saying
...wa'al maala'ikatu wa ulul ilmi... (and the angels and those who possess knowledge)
These are the ones who bear witness/testify that there is only one god, Allah. It's not only GOD who says this; it's all the submitters.
Peace,
Ahmad
What is the meaning of Anna ho laillaha ilallahu
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Peace Afridi220,
What is the meaning of Anna ho laillaha ilallahu
It means "that there is no god except Allah/GOD/the god" (depending on your rendering of the name/word/title "allah".
Peace,
Ahmad
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Asalaamu Alaikum brothers and sisters.. I prefer to go with Qur'an only thoughts when available, so would you mind giving me your thoughts on the Shahada?
Peace all
Brother, if you are going to accept the Quran as a divine message, then you have to Believe and Testify that the ONE WHO WROTE AND DELIVER IT is a true Prophet and Messenger of God. If you understand that the Prophet did not deliver other message beside the Quran, then you are not committing Shrik.
Good Luck and May God Bless. -
Peace all
Brother, if you are going to accept the Quran as a divine message, then you have to Believe and Testify that the ONE WHO WROTE AND DELIVER IT is a true Prophet and Messenger of God. If you understand that the Prophet did not deliver other message beside the Quran, then you are not committing Shrik.
Good Luck and May God Bless.one can accept the quran as a devine messege WTHOUT having to testify, shahada has nothing to do with mohamad its about beleiving in a being that we cannot see that is the purpose of shahada,
as gods law we are not allowed as humans to do shahada in court on something we did not see, but the fact that we cannot see god and we do shahada that is our proof to god our faith in him.
i do beleive mohamad was seen by many no need to do shahada on him -
one can accept the quran as a devine messege WTHOUT having to testify, shahada has nothing to do with mohamad its about beleiving in a being that we cannot see that is the purpose of shahada,
as gods law we are not allowed as humans to do shahada in court on something we did not see, but the fact that we cannot see god and we do shahada that is our proof to god our faith in him.
i do beleive mohamad was seen by many no need to do shahada on himDo you testify that Mohamed was a Prophet and Messenger of God?
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Peace all
This is my own humble understanding
-La illaha ill allah (No God but Allah) is always mentiond alone in the Quran , never assossiated with any prophet name.
-If what is meant by the Shehada is what one say when he become a submitter, God told us that he had given an example for everything we need.
3058 And We have put forth for the people in this Qur?an of every example.I think it will be in these verses
2131 When his Lord said to him ?Submit,? he said ?I submit to the Lord of the worlds.?
2744 It was said to her ?Enter the palace.? So when she saw it she thought there was a pool, and she uncovered her legs. He said ?It is a palace paved with crystal.? She said ?My Lord, I have wronged myself; and I submit with Solomon to God, the Lord of the worlds.?
peace
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Salaam Belalhammad,
Do you testify that Mohamed was a Prophet and Messenger of God?
According to the Quraan, we are discouraged from testifying/bearing witness about the prophets; this testimony is for Allah alone. That's why, in all the verses speaking about ones testifying to the prophets' messengership, the Quran repeatedly states that Allah is enough of a witness. The only verse speaking of an actual testimony given to Mohammed was rejected by GOD, and He called them hypocrites.
Peace,
Ahmad
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According to the Quraan, we are discouraged from testifying/bearing witness about the prophets; this testimony is for Allah alone. That's why, in all the verses speaking about ones testifying to the prophets' messengership, the Quran repeatedly states that Allah is enough of a witness. The only verse speaking of an actual testimony given to Mohammed was rejected by GOD, and He called them hypocrites.
Peace Ahmad
Do you testify that the Person who wrote the Quran for Us is a Messenger of God?
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Do you testify that Mohamed was a Prophet and Messenger of God?
i dont testify to anyone but god i witness that god is one
and as far as mohamad he was a messenger and his messege sent and recieved that was his job, whats the point of me testifying but not following the messege he brought from god as millions of muslims do today