The Shahada
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Do Saten Testify for the ONENESS of God...as well?
of course he does, it is not god he is agaisnt but humans, that is why his arrogance brought him down, the fact that he would bow down to a human, but before that he worshipped god as the rest.....
arrogance, pride, ego, these are the work of a devil ,
he has said to god that he will do his upmost to bring people to hell, but said only those who follow you (allah) that i cannot come near. he has such a hatered for us humans that he will do all he can to send us to hell, i say good luck to him. what a loser he is, i feel sorry for him, his arrogance blinded him -
of course he does, it is not god he is agaisnt but humans, that is why his arrogance brought him down, the fact that he would bow down to a human, but before that he worshipped god as the rest.....
arrogance, pride, ego, these are the work of a devil ,
he has said to god that he will do his upmost to bring people to hell, but said only those who follow you (allah) that i cannot come near. he has such a hatered for us humans that he will do all he can to send us to hell, i say good luck to him. what a loser he is, i feel sorry for him, his arrogance blinded himHe is not loser here but in hereafter he succede geting mor folowers then....
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will lead them astray and fill them with false hopes. I will command them and they will cut off cattle's ears. I will command them and they will change God's creation." Anyone who takes Satan as his protector in place of God has clearly lost everything. He makes promises to them and fills them with false hopes. But what Satan promises them is nothing but delusion. (Qur'an, 4119-120)
He (Iblis) said, "By Your misguidance of me, I will lie in ambush for them on your straight path. Then I will come at them, from in front of them and behind them, from their right and from their left. You will not find most of them thankful." (Surat al-A' raf 12-17)
When the affair is decided Satan will say, "Allah made you a promise, a promise of truth, and I made you a promise but broke my promise. I had no authority over you, except that I called you and you responded to me. Do not, therefore, blame me but blame yourselves. I cannot come to your aid nor you to mine. I reject the way you associated me with Allah before." The wrongdoers will have a painful punishment. (Surah Ibrahim 22)
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The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the believers Each one believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His Messengers "We make no distinction between one and another of His Messengers." And they say "We hear and we obey;Thy forgiveness, Our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." (2-285)
Believing in Allah & Books & Angels & Messengers is greater or equal to Testifying. It is an order from God to not discount any of them, otherwise, we are like Saten we are disobeying God's order in 2-285 and think we know better by discounting his Messengers from our believe.
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Salaamun all,
Here I just want add a thought of mine.
As per the following aayat, blinds does not have to fast? Even though I don't add any of the prophets name(s) while saying Shahada, but when this came to my mind, I was bit elektro
2185 It was the month of Ramadan in which the Qur'an was bestowed from on high as a guidance unto man and a self-evident proof of that guidance, and as the standard by which to discern the true from the false. Hence, whoever of you lives to see this month shall fast throughout it; but he that is ill, or on a journey, number of other days. God wills that you shall have ease, and does not will you to suffer hardship; but that you complete the number, and that you extol God for His having guided you aright, and that you render your thanks.
(2185)
A blind cannot witness the month? Or a duff? If so, they don't have to fast?
If we carry the same to the Shahada of so called Muslims, they do the same, they witness Prophet Mohammed without seeing him. Does it really makes any difference in Eimaan? But I agree that we cannot discount any of the Prophets in any ways. Lets talk about giving shahada for all, is there anything wrong?
And it is totally wrong to assign 631 to those who say Shahada about Prophet. Cause, it clearly says "Iz jaa-AKa" "When they come to you", it is surely not refering to all who say Shahada including Prophet Mohammed.
What I believe then? I believe in and say as follows
37181 And peace be upon all His message-bearers!
(37181)37182 And all praise is due to God alone, the Sus?tainer of all the worlds!
(37182)
And also I believe the Shahada as per 318.. Alhamdulillah.
May Allah guide us all towards the correct path.
Khan
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Salaamun all,
And it is totally wrong to assign 631 to those who say Shahada about Prophet. Cause, it clearly says "Iz jaa-AKa" "When they come to you", it is surely not refering to all who say Shahada including Prophet Mohammed.yes but god specified who the monafiqeen are by saying they are those who come and do shahada, and then he went on to say that he knows mohamad is his messenger he did not do shahada hmself on mohamad, but then did shahada that they are monafiqeen, in other words he is showin all of us or the meaning behind it is that he could have done shahada to mohamad but he did not, otherwise whats the point of that whole aya.
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Salaaman Anna,
yes but god specified who the monafiqeen are by saying they are those who come and do shahada, and then he went on to say that he knows mohamad is his messenger he did not do shahada hmself on mohamad, but then did shahada that they are monafiqeen, in other words he is showin all of us or the meaning behind it is that he could have done shahada to mohamad but he did not, otherwise whats the point of that whole aya.
I am sorry, I did not get what exactly you mean... Can you please reframe your sentenses?
Thanks in advance.
Khan
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As Salaamu Alaykum,
Throughout the Quran, in instances of the messengers being acknowledged as authentic, the scriptures say that Allah is enough as a witness. It NEVER tells us to testify about the prophets or messengers. For example
Anything good that happens to you is from GOD, and anything bad that happens to you is from you. We have sent you as a messenger to the people, and GOD suffices as witness. (479)
Those who disbelieved will say, "You are not a messenger!" Say, "GOD suffices as a witness between me and you and those who possess knowledge of the scripture." (1343)
This is just like His testifying about His message
But GOD bears witness concerning what He has revealed to you; He has revealed it with His knowledge. And the angels bear witness as well, but GOD suffices as witness. (4166)
It's not necessary for us to testify (through al-shahaada) about the prophets and messengers because God is enough as a witness about His messengers and his worshipers. There is no verse indicating that we should offer a shahaada/testimony about Mohammed to be regarded as Muslims. The rites of Islam/Submission were given to Abraham, and he was one of the submitters, and so were his children. So, how could they say, "Ash-hadu ana Muhammad ar-rasuwlu Allah" if Mohammed wasn't even born yet?
Peace,
Ahmad
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The rites of Islam/Submission were given to Abraham, and he was one of the submitters, and so were his children. So, how could they say, "Ash-hadu ana Muhammad ar-rasuwlu Allah" if Mohammed wasn't even born yet?
Is that is how you support your opinion? 2-285 shows you how you should complete your submission.
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Salaam BelH,
Is that is how you support your opinion? 2-285 shows you how you should complete your submission.
Wow... ) Is this how you support your opinion?
The messenger has believed in what was sent down to him from his Lord, and so did the believers. They believe in GOD, His angels, His scripture, and His messengers "We make no distinction among any of His messengers." They say, "We hear, and we obey. Forgive us, our Lord. To You is the ultimate destiny." (2285)
This only says that Muslims BELIEVE in the prophets and messengers, not testify about them. And if you make no distinction, then why don't you say, "Abraham/Moses/Jesus is the messenger of Allah"? Why Mohammed?
Peace,
Ahmad
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Salaam BelH,
The messenger has believed in what was sent down to him from his Lord, and so did the believers. They
This only says that Muslims BELIEVE in the prophets and messengers, not testify about them. And if you make no distinction, then why don't you say, "Abraham/Moses/Jesus is the messenger of Allah"? Why Mohammed?
Peace,
Ahmad
what is the different between believing and testifying?
Which is more stronger?
By the way, I do include all prophets in my testimony. There is no different between Saten and Us except that we Believe and Testify that God's Commandments are sent through His Messengers; and therefore, we submit to God by following their teachings that were revealed to them from our Lord. -
Peace all
Please every one use his Logic and tell me
If a Christian wants to become a Moslem, why Should He say I bear witness that there is no God But Thy One God "Allah"? He or She already Testified about that before thinking about Islam; The only thing that He or She will add to their believe is Mohamed and His Book "The Quran".Or if any one of you were asked to Come to the Court of any country To Testify about authenticity Of The Messenger of God "Mohamad", Would you Swear and Testify that He is God Messenger?
I'm done with this issue giveup
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Peace all
Please every one use his Logic and tell me
If a Christian wants to become a Moslem, why Should He say I bear witness that there is no God But Thy One God "Allah"? He or She already Testified about that before thinking about Islam; The only thing that He or She will add to their believe is Mohamed and His Book "The Quran".I'm done with this issue giveup
lol its good that you gave up, we surrender to god istislam lal rab not to anyone else and shahada to god and no one else
shahada to other then god is shirk, now you can take a 50/50 chance that you are right and that you are not doing shirk
when putting mohamads name in the shahada, orrrrrrrrrrr you can take 100% chance by not saying mohamads name in shahada still reading the quran knowing its from god brought down through mohamad and know you are not doing shirk. in the end it is your choice -
Being 'muslim' has nothing to do with The Quran, i.e. one can be 'muslim' without knowing of The Quran or reading it etc. This is demonstrated, even in The Quran.
i dont even beleive that all muslims are mo2mins most of them dont even know god, only by name, but a mo2min a true beleiver cannot and should not do shahada to mohamad that is one of the qualities of a beleiver
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Peace BelH,
what is the different between believing and testifying?
Which is more stronger?There is a clear distinction between believing and testifying. Believing is a mentality, an acknowledgement. Testifying, however, is an act of worship.
Say, "My Salaat, my worship practices, my life and my death are all devoted absolutely to GOD ALONE, the Lord of the universe. (6162)
Our acts of worship shouldn't be dedicated to the messengers at all; they are only for God. Placing the messengers' names in our acts of worship is blasphemy.
When God ALONE is mentioned, the hearts of those who do disbelieve in the Hereafter shrink with aversion, but when others are mentioned with Him, they become satisfied. (3945)
This is a clear reference to the Sunni shahaada, in which the unbelievers are INCAPABLE of reciting the true and only shahaada (i.e. "There is no god but Allah" without adding Mohammed's name into it. Don't be one of these...
By the way, I do include all prophets in my testimony. There is no different between Saten and Us except that we Believe and Testify that God's Commandments are sent through His Messengers; and therefore, we submit to God by following their teachings that were revealed to them from our Lord.
This doesn't have anything to do with testifying about their messengership. Making al-shahaada regarding the messengers is an innovation that is not prescribed in the Quran.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Being 'muslim' has nothing to do with The Quran, i.e. one can be 'muslim' without knowing of The Quran or reading it etc. This is demonstrated, even in The Quran.
This is true. The Quran says that Abraham was a Muslim/Submitter, and so were Moses and Jesus, who were also Jews. "Islam" isn't the name of any religion; it is the description, representing our submission to God. Abraham, Moses, and Jesus were around before the transcribing of the Quran, which shows that this wasn't even a requirement for them in their submission. So, yes, a person can be a "Muslim" without knowing of the Quran or of the prophet Mohammed.
Peace,
Ahmad
