I want to know the truth about what the Quran says about messengers
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When one of Gods messengers is present reciting Gods revelations to them and the peole are wicked, it is a sign that an annilation is about to occur. Whenever a claim is directly experienced as revaled truth, that claim is true.
Peace, what do you think?
Peace,
We can't be sure when a town will be annihilated (unless God reveals it). But yes I would agree that messengers are necessary before it can occur (2859). -
Those who are misguided reject the messenger when he comes to them without knowledge.
Was God to punish without sending a messenger?
God was not to punish until He send a messenger. In 1715, the messenger is someone who is sent to a person before He was to punish them. Whoever is guided is guided for himself and whoever is misguided is for there own loss.
Obey God and obey the messenger.
1715 Whoever is guided is guided for himself, and whoever is misguided is for his own loss.And no person shall carry the load of another, and We were not to punish until We send a messenger.
When God sends a messenger, He was to punish. Whenever a messenger of God wants to punish, he may. When punishment occurs if and only if God sends a messenger first, the rejecting of this messenger may cause well deserved punishment. The messenger will be sent by God to any person. God will not punish until He send a messenger. God will send a messenger to recite His revelations to you and if you are guided you are for yourself and if you are misguided you are for your own loss and God was to punish you. Once He send a messenger then He were to punish. The punishment was not to occur without a messenger being sent.
Example Do you think God will let you walk into a ditch without first sending someone to warn you that u are bout to walk into a ditch?
Peace.
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Example Do you think God will let you walk into a ditch without first sending someone to warn you that u are bout to walk into a ditch?
Peace.
Peace,
I agree that God must send messengers before punishment. My question is to people who don't believe God will send messengers anymore. -
Peace,
I agree that God must send messengers before punishment. My question is to people who don't believe God will send messengers anymore.Al Quran The messenger said, "My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran. ...
Who are these ppls the Quresh are the whole muslim umma? hmm -
Peace,
I agree that God must send messengers before punishment. My question is to people who don't believe God will send messengers anymore.its not that i personnally dont beleive that there will be anymore messengers, but i beleive there is no reason for them anymore, i could be wrong,i mean we are in our last life only 2 generations to go before the end and maybe we need all the help we can get,with over six billion people on earth, its not like its small tribes anymore, and it does not state anywhere in the quran of a last messenger, but one must be aware we have 3 so called messengers on this site alone, and they deny each other, all we can do is wait and see what proofs they have, if for me i find that it is acceptable i will take it.
for me the only thing missing from the whole messege was the mystery of the lettering of the quran, and that is now discovered, but then we have a whole new idea of what quran itself is and different interpertations and translations, it has to be fixed some where along the line, only time will tell. -
Example Do you think God will let you walk into a ditch without first sending someone to warn you that u are bout to walk into a ditch?
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peace bro aalmakto,
The word "ommatin" in 734 does not necessarily mean "nation", it can also mean "people/community".
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Salaam aalmakto;
Few years back the city of Bagh portion of Muzzafarabad and lot of other villages vanished from the earth as they never were, as Mr. Wakas said it can mean "community" so many "communities" and many "people" were eliminated.
But we never heared or saw any "messenger" reciting any new verses of Allah to the people before this incident.
Tsunami cleared many villages many communities and many people from the face of earth, We did not trace any new messenger of Allah reciting any new verses to them.
Dear brother we must understand and not fall prey to the missionaries propoganda which many of our so called moderen brothers and sisters like to advocate.
The LAst message of Allah has arrived it cannot be changed, the Last Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) has recited it and after that there will be no new Quran to be recited by any new messenger.
Quranic Ayats are very clear in this regard but when we have our own conclusions as you had the problem arises.
In Quran Allah has clearly mentioned the systems to follow and we do not need a new "messenger" or "messengers" to tell us about those niether do these new "messengers" have to visit any town or village or city to warn them against Natrual disasters.
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Some people dont see the need for any more messengers.
The messenger cannot inspire except by Gods leave. Any whom God chooses to be inspired by the messenger will recieve inspiration from the messenger.
It is not for God to speak to any human except threw inspiration or from behind a barrier, or by sending a messenger to inspire whom He wills by His leave. In 4251, a messenger is someone God might send to inspire anyone God pleases by His leave. In 4252, God inspired to you a revelation of His command. Made as a light to guide whomever We wish from among Our servants. Surely, you guide to a straight path. New messengers may be sent so that they can inspire. We need inspiration. To reject this messenger without knowledge is to reject God because the messenger is one way that God uses to speak to us. Thoe it seems that no more messengers will come, they will if God chooses to speak to the human using this method. There are three ways God speaks to the human. And threw a messenger is one way He does this.
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4251 And it is not for any human being that God would speak to him, except through inspiration, or from behind a barrier, or by sending a messenger to inspire whom He wills by His leave. He is Most High, Wise.
God will send a messenger to inspire whomever He wills by His leave. Or He may speak to one by direct inspiration, or from behind a barrier. If God chooses to speak to you, it is not for Him to do so except threw the above mentioned methods.
peace
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It is not for God to speak to any human except threw inspiration or from behind a barrier, or by sending a messenger to inspire whom He wills by His leave.
Peace, i would like to correct this and reprash it.... from " it is not for God to speak to human" to " it is not for any human that God would speak to them except..."
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In Quran Allah has clearly mentioned the systems to follow and we do not need a new "messenger" or "messengers" to tell us about those niether do these new "messengers" have to visit any town or village or city to warn them against Natrual disasters.
Peace Raj-ah and every one
First, Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) was the seal of Prophets and not Messengers--no more revelation after Quran .Second, when analyzing the Nation of Mohamed, we will note that there are 100s of sects; they are fighting within themselves and with others (people of the Books). Now, do you see a problem?
I believe that God had and will keep inspiring whom He chooses (Messengers) to warn Humans to stick to the Book when preaching God's religion. And in our days, we see that this is happening all over the world; we see people who are saying This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah. (2-2); and when they do that, they get killed or tortured by their communities...Does that remind you with the Quranic stories in which God described killing and torturing of people who promote His Words?May God Bless the Believers whom are preaching and protecting God's Words
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Peace Raj-ah and every one
First, Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) was the seal of Prophets and not Messengers--no more revelation after Quran .Second, when analyzing the Nation of Mohamed, we will note that there are 100s of sects; they are fighting within themselves and with others (people of the Books). Now, do you see a problem?
I believe that God had and will keep inspiring whom He chooses (Messengers) to warn Humans to stick to the Book when preaching God's religion. And in our days, we see that this is happening all over the world; we see people who are saying This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah. (2-2); and when they do that, they get killed or tortured by their communities...Does that remind you with the Quranic stories in which God described killing and torturing of people who promote His Words?May God Bless the Believers whom are preaching and protecting God's Words
Peace
That is also my view on this issue and I expressed it somewhere like this on some other thread... We just cannot appoint ourselves to be DIVINELY appointed messengers... We just follow the EXAMPLE of Muhammad, warn the people and call them to Al-Islam, the deen that GOD chose for mankind... In this way, anyone can be a messenger... However, not a DIVINELY APPOINTED MESSENGER...
Regards
Allah knows best...
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Peace
That is also my view on this issue and I expressed it somewhere like this on some other thread... We just cannot appoint ourselves to be DIVINELY appointed messengers... We just follow the EXAMPLE of Muhammad, warn the people and call them to Al-Islam, the deen that GOD chose for mankind... In this way, anyone can be a messenger... However, not a DIVINELY APPOINTED MESSENGER...
Regards
Allah knows best...
Peace who said the messenger are divine? Or divinly appointed? God bestows His grace on whom He pleases. Some of them are narrated to you and others arnt. peace
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Dear All,
The problem regarding messenger issue is that when people talk about messenger they always think about some special person for a nation with narrating verses(new or old alike). Please answer the following questions in a way that it can constitute a system and not special circumstances.
Here are few questions for those who say human messenger is not needed and Quran or Quran and sunnah is enough for guidance.
- Is this not an injustice from God to the people after the era of prophet Mohammad?
- Is this a justice that one group is bestowed with a living messenger and others are left to understand Quran by themselves?
- The people who believe that Quran is the only guidance can show me what is the way they are on? (what i see on sights advocating Quran alone is opinions of different persons who in the end keep on finding new things all the time and they have no definite answer for anything)
Here are few questions for those who think more messenger can come.
- If messengers are to come then how are you going to judge that the one who claims is the true messenger?
- Messenger is for how many people? is it for a group of 50 people or is it for 5000,50000,500000 etc.
- To what extent one should follow a messenger?
Regards.
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Here are few questions for those who think more messenger can come.
Peace all
- If messengers are to come then how are you going to judge that the one who claims is the true messenger?
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379 It is not for a human that God would give him the Scripture and the authority and the prophethood, then he would say to the people ?Be servants to me rather than God!?, rather ?Be devotees for what you have been taught of the Scripture, and for what you studied.?
- Messenger is for how many people? is it for a group of 50 people or is it for 5000,50000,500000 etc.
It will vary; especially in the internet age.
- To what extent one should follow a messenger?
The Quran is your final judge; in other words, any True message has to be confirmed by the Quran.
Peace
That is also my view on this issue and I expressed it somewhere like this on some other thread... We just cannot appoint ourselves to be DIVINELY appointed messengers... We just follow the EXAMPLE of Muhammad, warn the people and call them to Al-Islam, the deen that GOD chose for mankind... In this way, anyone can be a messenger... However, not a DIVINELY APPOINTED MESSENGER...
Regards
Allah knows best...
I agree; Any one can choose to work for God (God always has an opining for any one who wants to promote and defend His Messages). But they have to understand what they are promoting before promoting; they can not add or delete any thing to God's words.
Peace -
salam,
its funny how people are willing to accept new messengers but will not accept rashad khalifa as one........... brickwallPeace Anna
According to Quran, no one can delete or add a single verse to it; but when RK decided to delete to verses, He was wrong, and therefore, no one should follow him. Read the next verse (focus on the red part)379 It is not for a human that God would give him the Scripture and the authority and the prophethood, then he would say to the people ?Be servants to me rather than God!?, rather ?Be devotees for what you have been taught of the Scripture, and for what you studied.?
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Peace Anna,
its funny how people are willing to accept new messengers but will not accept rashad khalifa as one........... brickwall
What's funny to me is how people often accept Dr. Rashad Khalifa's teachings, yet they reject him because the only thing they associate with his ideologies is the alleged removal of 2 verses from the Quran. If people actually looked at the authentic ideologies of Rashad instead of judging him and claiming that he removed Quranic verses, many of them would become believers.
Peace BelH,
According to Quran, no one can delete or add a single verse to it; but when RK decided to delete to verses, He was wrong, and therefore, no one should follow him.
This is completely wrong, brother, WRONG. The scripture does NOT say that nothing can be added to or deleted from only the Quran... What do I mean by this? Let's examine the scripture...
Surely, we have revealed this scripture, and surely, we will preserve it. (159)
It's absolutely ridiculous that people interpret this to be referring to the Quran specifically. This clearly says that it will be preserved by Allah because "we have revealed this scripture"... Didn't Allah also reveal the Torah and the Gospel? Yet, you say they have been altered. Based on the context, this verse implies that ALL of God's scripture is preserved. So, why don't you believe the other scriptures to be preserved? Do you think God is a liar? Also, look at this scripture, which implies the same thing
The disbelievers rejected this message when it came to them, though it is a profound scripture. No falsehood can enter it, through addition or deletion, for it is a revelation from the Wise, the Praiseworthy. (4141-42)
This scripture states it even more plainly. It gives the statement (i.e. "No falsehood can enter it...", and then it gives the reason (i.e. "for/because it is a revelation from the Wise, the Praiseworthy". Now, since the Torah, Gospel, and Statute Book are all revelations from God, this means they are ALL preserved. What you are neglecting is the format in which they are preserved. According to 8522, they are kept secure in a "lawh mahfuz"/preserved tablet. So, the question is WHERE IS THIS TABLET? Is it on the Earth? Is it with Allah? Maybe you should ask yourself this. Nowhere in the Quran does it say that all the copies and translations of the scriptures would be preserved and kept from alteration. This is a ridiculous misinterpretation. It says the actual "revelations" of God (i.e. the ORIGINALS) would be preserved. For us, Allah has given us a way to determine the true words of His revelations and to separate them from the fabrications. With regards to the originals, do you know the locations of the original revelations of Allah, or do you know where the "preserved tablets" are located?
By the way, it's pretty interesting to me that this word (i.e. "lawh" has the same root as the word "lawaha", used in 7429, right before the words, "On it is nineteen" (7430). Is this a coincidence?
Peace,
Ahmad
