A continued call for Help. يُؤْمِنُونَ

[bkanwar2]

Thanks a lot. But could you please type in Arabic to show how one would derive it from root, step by step. Thanks again.

Badar

[belH]

I would like to request Arabic linguists on this board to please post a break down of word . Just to start the discussion, it is believed that the root of this word is . Please explain under which grammatical rules this root changes to above word. Thanks a lot in advance.

Badar

Plural verb Single Verb Single Verb
Present Present (believes) (has believed)
(No example in English)

[bkanwar2]

Plural verb Single Verb Single Verb
Present Present (believes) (has believed)
(No example in English)

Thanks for your attempt, before I discuss further the above formations. Let us discuss further another supposed contruct from same root for comparison. This will help us understand how some of the suppositions may not be correct. as a word to be derivative of root . What do you feel is the case here. Thanks a million for having the discussion.

Badar

[belH]

Thanks for your attempt, before I discuss further the above formations. Let us discuss further another supposed contruct from same root for comparison. This will help us understand how some of the suppositions may not be correct. as a word to be derivative of root . What do you feel is the case here. Thanks a million for having the discussion.

Badar

Peace

is not a verb but an adjective--believers.

[Al_Araf]

salam bkanwar2. the root word amn derives from the aramaic amn.

amn in aramaic means to persevere, practice, or take part in. another way to translate amn, mwmn, and mwmnyn, is the following construct practice, practitioner, practitioners.

in other words when the quran refers to the mwmnyn, it is referrring to those who practice the faith. you will notice the connection between mwmn and its derivatives with instructions on how to practice the faith, in the quran.

allah is the best of those who teach.

[bkanwar2]

Plural verb Single Verb Single Verb
Present Present (believes) (has believed)
(No example in English)

belH, Thanks again now let me ask you this, is a singular verb. Please tell under which classic Arabic grammatic rule it will be deprived of it's first component consonant that is, Alif. As Alif is not present in these derivatives. Thanks a million again for having a rationale discussion.

Badar

[belH]

Do you see the in the top of , it represent the Alaf in Amn.

[Al_Araf]

salam bkanwar2. i am reading the posts in this thread, knowing this will go nowhere. you ask

Please explain under which grammatical rules this root changes to above word.

i am sure, if muhammad asked gibreel for grammatical rules as to how the root changes into other words, the revelation would have come to a standstill.

there is no basis for your arbitrary requirement that an understanding of the quran must be based on grammatical rules. in support of this statement i offer you all the verses of the torah, injeel and quran. nowhere in these verses is there any mention of grammar and grammatical rules.

therefore your quest for the path is not on the path established by allah. allah has not established grammatical rules as the path.

allah is the teacher.

[bkanwar2]

Do you see the in the top of , it represent the Alaf in Amn.

Thanks again, rule says and take hemza when they stand for an elif hemzatum (ref William Wright A grammer of Arabic Language vol 1 pp17 rem 16, 3rd edition). Hence, what you are saying is that actually is . But you ignored the mark of Gezm on hemza, which indicates the last letter of a word. Hence, this word is actually , correct.

Badar

[belH]

Thanks again, rule says and take hemza when they stand for an elif hemzatum (ref William Wright A grammer of Arabic Language vol 1 pp17 rem 16, 3rd edition). Hence, what you are saying is that actually is . But you ignored the mark of Gezm on hemza, which indicates the last letter of a word. Hence, this word is actually , correct.

Badar

and are verbs for present time; is verb for Past time.

Thus, when comparing , you should use , because both are Past Verbs.

or with , because both are present verb.

Now, the answer to your question would be

[bkanwar2]

and are verbs for present time; is verb for Past time.

Thus, when comparing , you should use , because both are Past Verbs.

or with , because both are present verb.

Now, the answer to your question would be

Thanks again. I see font getting bigger, usually a sign of emotions. Not good for learning.
In Classic Arabic, verbs are divided into weak and strong. The strong verbs are those of which all the radical letters are strong, and consequently neither undergo any changes, nor are rejected in any of the inflections, but are retained throughout. A verb containing and are weak verbs. However, verb containing is synonyms with strong verbs. Hence, if the root here were to be it could not lose or have it alif changed per rule of weak/strong verbs into . In addition there is gezm on top of hemza, indicating as separate word and actually is . Whereas is a separate word derived from , a plural nominative case. The also means ones endowed with reason and logic. Nothing to do with faith or blind belief. Hope this helps. Thanks a million again. Please leave emotions aside and consider above submission with an open mind.

Badar

[belH]

Thanks again. I see font getting bigger, usually a sign of emotions. Not good for learning.
In Classic Arabic, verbs are divided into weak and strong. The strong verbs are those of which all the radical letters are strong, and consequently neither undergo any changes, nor are rejected in any of the inflections, but are retained throughout. A verb containing and are weak verbs. However, verb containing is synonyms with strong verbs. Hence, if the root here were to be it could not lose or have it alif changed per rule of weak/strong verbs into . In addition there is gezm on top of hemza, indicating as separate word and actually is . Whereas is a separate word derived from , a plural nominative case. The also means ones endowed with reason and logic. Nothing to do with faith or blind belief. Hope this helps. Thanks a million again. Please leave emotions aside and consider above submission with an open mind.

Badar

You welcome; and thank you for your thoughts. By the way, I use bigger size fonts for me and every one who have a hard time reading smaller fonts.
Peace

[Samia]

Thanks again, rule says and take hemza when they stand for an elif hemzatum (ref William Wright A grammer of Arabic Language vol 1 pp17 rem 16, 3rd edition). Hence, what you are saying is that actually is . But you ignored the mark of Gezm on hemza, which indicates the last letter of a word. Hence, this word is actually , correct.

Badar

These are two different verbs derived from the same root wth different forms

Form I, of the pattern
Form IV, of the pattern

Both forms are used in the quaan.

[bkanwar2]

Sister Samia this is just for record. is neither a derivative of root nor a verb. It is a derivative of pronoun . I had hard time finding its meanings. However, from it, is derived an adjective . The meaning of this adjective are given under in Lane's lexicon. The meaning being one who reflects, uses reason and logic. William Wright concurs in his Grammar book with this being meaning of . Thanks.

Badar

[Samia]

What?!

[bkanwar2]

Sis, it comes as a shocker isn't it. Yes it was for me as well. Right at the start of great reading he is addressing to ones who reflect, use reason and logic, not just blind belief.

Badar