All Mighty God?
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The verses where God tells us that the outcome of these worldly affairs is according to his will and he makes those things happen then this is understandable but if you assume from these kinds of verses that he has decided the outcome of the hereafter too then that is the point where the real mess begins.
I'm sorry but this makes no sense what so ever. You said that God tells us that everything happens according to his will and your also saying that he doesn't decide the outcome. Maybe you could explain it better. brickwall
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I'm sorry but this makes no sense what so ever. You said that God tells us that everything happens according to his will and your also saying that he doesn't decide the outcome. Maybe you could explain it better.
Peace Diem,
The idea you want ''a more explanation of'' is a paradox and false. God doesn't know what u will do tomorrow. He may know ur potential choices but He Doesn't know what you will choose. God is still omniscient because what will u do is not a THING yet cuz there is no such thing as time travel cuz there is no such thing as time just changes in matter. So when a change occurs in the universe or u do something God will be the first to know and so will be recorded with Him. God can forecast events just like the weather but your actions is a bit unpredictable so you will be judged for it.
Peace,
Rami.
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Peace Diem,
The idea you want ''a more explanation of'' is a paradox and false. God doesn't know what u will do tomorrow. He may know ur potential choices but He Doesn't know what you will choose. God is still omniscient because what will u do is not a THING yet cuz there is no such thing as time travel cuz there is no such thing as time just changes in matter. So when a change occurs in the universe or u do something God will be the first to know and so will be recorded with Him. God can forecast events just like the weather but your actions is a bit unpredictable so you will be judged for it.
Peace,
Rami.
What are you talking about? Time is a complex subject, but you don't understand it at all.
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What are you talking about? Time is a complex subject, but you don't understand it at all.
Peace BT,
This is because you are brainwashed by scientific dogma and hollywood movies. You CANT travel through time because you have to change all the particles positions. Thats why God never talks about the myth of time travel. Get out of this paradoxes.
Peace
Rami
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Peace belal,
Yes because thats God promises and God promises will come true because He will do it! It is like saying 'consider it done'. You have to get out of this time travel nonsense otherwise you are creating paradoxes you can't get out from. If God know what You will say and do, how on earth did He speak to Moses?? Don't you see how awkward that is?? brickwall It is like He knows what Moses will say and God is just saying His part in the play. Nonsense.
594 O you who believe, God will test you with some of the game for hunting coming within reach of your hands and your spears, so that God will know who reveres Him when unseen. Whoever aggresses after this, then he will have a painful retribution.
Look at the previous verse, you will see that God tests us so He can know who revers Him. I thought He knew already. peace
Peace.
Peace Rami
That's a great observation. I agree that the God tells us in the verse 594 in the Quran that he tests humans so that he will know.
If we analyze that verse, we can easily see that god is telling us that he don't know what we will do and that this is the reason why is testing us. At the same time, i don't think we should take any fast conclusions, because as we know for God everything is possible. God also knows what will happen in the future; i have read this in a verse (correct me if i am wrong). Someone who knows what will happen in the future will also know what we will do. So therefore i don't think that we should take any fast conclusions before we have studied this issue more. I think its an interesting interpretation rami, and it is very logical. But i think that it can be wrong, because we have to study the whole quran (see things in context) before we decide that god does not know what we will do in the future. If we compare different verses and analyze more, and then find out that all facts are telling us that Time travel does not exist, then yes, that verse alone (594) will be enough to interpretate it that way.
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Dear Dime,
I'm sorry but this makes no sense what so ever. You said that God tells us that everything happens according to his will and your also saying that he doesn't decide the outcome. Maybe you could explain it better. brickwall
Please read again what I have posted and pay attention to the words. I have not said that everything happens according to his will. My words were outcome of these worldly affairs is according to his will. If you read my answer carefully I have tried to hint it with the example. What I mean to say is whatever we do its outcome is decided by God in this world. He does not interfere in our decisions of doing things but he does not always allow the outcome as we assume.
I hope that you understand the reason for our creation. According to my understanding, that is to test our faith. If he would have set the parameters of outcome according to the actions in this world too then nobody would have done wrong after some time. This doubt about outcome is actually the real test for us.
If you read my example then you will see that the outcome will be different for both the shops and God has given the instructions regarding our actions. For the one who gets more has more responsibility and the one who gets less has less responsibility regarding helping others. Whatever outcome God decides is only to check what will be our reaction. There is no verse in my knowledge which says that everything is predetermined except our time in this world(age), good and bad times or the outcome of the matters regarding the actions done by us.
God has left the outcome of our deeds in set parameters only for the next life and not for this worldly life.
I hope you will be able to understand my understanding of the matter now. Let me know if this is still not clear to you.Regards.
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Peace David_k,
Agreed, this topic needs more thourght and deeper study. As regard God knows what will happen in the future, God doesnt see the future cuz it doesn't exist. God with His knowledge can forecast as long as the events follow some rule or law unlike your self which is unpredictable you cant actually predict what will u do in the next 5 minutes. Plus God interacts with us and gets influenced with prayer as per the Quran. This is only way to get out of the ''prayer'' paradox. God is online and follows up our every move and is always interacting with His creation and He never get tired of the management of the heavens and earth. Consider the following verse
5529 Those in the heavens and Earth ask Him, everyday He is in some matter.
A busy God indeed. God is like an entrepreneur. He founded and manages the heavens and the earth and no one share in His ownership and management.
Peace,
Rami
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Peace to all,
I have to completely disagree that God doesnt know the future, how is it possible that some humans can see some future events but God cant. I know this as a fact because it has happened to me a few times, no im not saying i have gifts or im some special person, but i did see things that occurred exactly as i saw them, how do you explain that, and if i could see a future event, why wouldnt God be able to see and know them all?
Kurt
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Dear Ironsky,
Who said that God don't know the future? If you mean to say knowing the future and making the future is same then there can be a problem. Is this what you are assuming?
Knowing one or two events prior to their happening does not constitute that those events were decided by God. In my understanding it may be the outcome of deeds which you interpreted as future.
Regards.
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Peace BT,
This is because you are brainwashed by scientific dogma and hollywood movies. You CANT travel through time because you have to change all the particles positions. Thats why God never talks about the myth of time travel. Get out of this paradoxes.
Peace
Rami
No, no, no!!! Let's start off with what is time? Time is order. Things happen in a certain order. The smallest amount of time is the Planck time, which is 1 x 10^-43 s; there is no shorter time period. Here is how I visualize time Time began at the insant of the Big Bang. Ever since then, time has been going forward; all of time can be split into blocks of Planck time. Imagine a huge stack of papers where all the papers together symbolize time and each of the sheets individually represent the smallest piece of time possible, the Planck time. The stack would then represent all of time since the beginning of time with sheets continously being added on since time is not frozen. Time does exist; it has a micro limit and I don't know why you are saying it doesn't exist. Please present your argument here as I have not read all the posts on this topic. Concerning time travel, that is a complicated topic; I don't believe time travel into the past is possible, but time travel into the future is possible and has been verified numerous times in experiments.
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Peace BT,
Can time exist independant of matter? Can time exist independant of change? if there is no changing matter there is no time. Time is a perception of your brain about the surrounding changes. Time travel is impossible in the past and the future because you have to reallign all the particles of the universe at the set time to go there. For example, if you want to go back to Noah's time, you will literally have to revive Noah and undo all that happened from Noah's time till now, I mean undo every single particle to particle interaction between the two times and this mean the world as we know it will disappear like rewinding a video, you lose the current frame to get to an earlier frame, you cant have both frames working at the same time eg. You cant have Noah and Moses existing at the same time. The idea of time travel is based on pure mathematics with no empirical evidence whatsoever.
Peace,
Rami.
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Peace BT,
Can time exist independant of matter? Can time exist independant of change? if there is no changing matter there is no time. Time is a perception of your brain about the surrounding changes. Time travel is impossible in the past and the future because you have to reallign all the particles of the universe at the set time to go there. For example, if you want to go back to Noah's time, you will literally have to revive Noah and undo all that happened from Noah's time till now, I mean undo every single particle to particle interaction between the two times and this mean the world as we know it will disappear like rewinding a video, you lose the current frame to get to an earlier frame, you cant have both frames working at the same time eg. You cant have Noah and Moses existing at the same time. The idea of time travel is based on pure mathematics with no empirical evidence whatsoever.
Peace,
Rami.
Yes, time can exist independent of matter. One example of this would be if there was a universe with time and space and no matter or energy. Concerning time travel into the future, it is not based on pure mathematics and it has been proven countless times, for example, with cesium clocks moving at different speeds. Concerning time travel into the past, there are many paradoxes that arise. I don't believe it's possible. It might be, especially if the universe is constantly splitting into multiple parallel universes.
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Dear Ironsky,
Who said that God don't know the future? If you mean to say knowing the future and making the future is same then there can be a problem. Is this what you are assuming?
Knowing one or two events prior to their happening does not constitute that those events were decided by God. In my understanding it may be the outcome of deeds which you interpreted as future.
Regards.
Although knowing the future and creating the future are completely different things, that still means that god KNEW/KNOWS what would have happened if he created human beings.
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No, no, no!!! Let's start off with what is time? Time is order. Things happen in a certain order. The smallest amount of time is the Planck time, which is 1 x 10^-43 s; there is no shorter time period. Here is how I visualize time Time began at the insant of the Big Bang. Ever since then, time has been going forward; all of time can be split into blocks of Planck time. Imagine a huge stack of papers where all the papers together symbolize time and each of the sheets individually represent the smallest piece of time possible, the Planck time. The stack would then represent all of time since the beginning of time with sheets continously being added on since time is not frozen. Time does exist; it has a micro limit and I don't know why you are saying it doesn't exist. Please present your argument here as I have not read all the posts on this topic. Concerning time travel, that is a complicated topic; I don't believe time travel into the past is possible, but time travel into the future is possible and has been verified numerous times in experiments.
You would be correct but those Planck times can stretch and distort (but not contract) depending on what frame of reference you're using.
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Yes, time can exist independent of matter. One example of this would be if there was a universe with time and space and no matter or energy. Concerning time travel into the future, it is not based on pure mathematics and it has been proven countless times, for example, with cesium clocks moving at different speeds. Concerning time travel into the past, there are many paradoxes that arise. I don't believe it's possible. It might be, especially if the universe is constantly splitting into multiple parallel universes.
It seems you are a big fan of Einsteinian physics. There is no problem with this. I prefer a simpler model of the universe based on electromagnetism without this space/time bending spooky language. Thanks for the purely mechanical and mathematical modeling that made this silly paradoxical ideas part of science.
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http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyOGjuxWhrMPeace,
Rami
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Peace "Rami",
I get your view about saying that GOD does not know the future because the furutre doesnt exist BUT your forgetting that even we humans can determine/predict many future events like rainfall, when certain cosmic bodies will collide, sociologists can also predict the behaviour of the ppl. If we knew eg all the factors involved in tossing a coin even we wld know how itd fall and wht itd land on, heads or tails. Thus if even we as humans can make so many predictions in this world then surely GOD can predict all the outcomes of everything to infinity. Also notice that the Quran says that GOD has fixed the PERIOD OF EVERYONES DEATH. So GOD must have known and set the outcome. Or do you mean to say that GOD intervenes everytime into this universe to cause a supernatural death? Im sure from your scientific viewpoints you wont. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Rami",
I get your view about saying that GOD does not know the future because the furutre doesnt exist BUT your forgetting that even we humans can determine/predict many future events like rainfall, when certain cosmic bodies will collide, sociologists can also predict the behaviour of the ppl. If we knew eg all the factors involved in tossing a coin even we wld know how itd fall and wht itd land on, heads or tails. Thus if even we as humans can make so many predictions in this world then surely GOD can predict all the outcomes of everything to infinity. Also notice that the Quran says that GOD has fixed the PERIOD OF EVERYONES DEATH. So GOD must have known and set the outcome. Or do you mean to say that GOD intervenes everytime into this universe to cause a supernatural death? Im sure from your scientific viewpoints you wont. GOD Bless!
Peace Johnny_K,
Yes, that I was talking about. God can forecast but doesn't see the future. The human self initial choice is unpredictable so God will judge you for it. God is represented through the physical laws. When you throw a teaspoon of salt into a cup of water, it is God who dissolves it. This is because God keeps the laws of physics online and can simply suspend it in the time He sees fit eg. creation and miracles. All humans die from a natural cause but it is God according to the Quran! The Quran says that God is the one who hold the birds in the air which we know is simply due to differences in air pressure. God is like the graphics and physics processor of the universe. Nothing can happen unless He allows it.
Peace,
Rami
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Peace again "Rami",
Agreed, this topic needs more thourght and deeper study. As regard God knows what will happen in the future, God doesnt see the future cuz it doesn't exist. God with His knowledge can forecast as long as the events follow some rule or law unlike your self which is unpredictable you cant actually predict what will u do in the next 5 minutes.
JK- But one can exactly do that via modern fMRI scanning the brain and shwoing the causal firing path of the neurons. Yes the predictions are not 100% but quite accurate now. Neuroscientists can even make humans do things which afterwards they claim tht they actually WILLED to do those things. The brain is not a magical organ. It follows natural laws. GOD Bless!
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Peace again "Rami",
JK- But one can exactly do that via modern fMRI scanning the brain and shwoing the causal firing path of the neurons. Yes the predictions are not 100% but quite accurate now. Neuroscientists can even make humans do things which afterwards they claim tht they actually WILLED to do those things. The brain is not a magical organ. It follows natural laws. GOD Bless!
It is not the brain. It is YOU. There is a step before this thats untouchable. Tell me where does your will start? which lobe? which neuron? and who told that neuron to fire?? what is the physics behind it?
Peace.
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Peace "Rami",
and can simply suspend it in the time He sees fit eg. creation and miracles.
JK- OH i thght you didnt beelive in the so interpreted "miracles". Bro Arnold has good explanations for the verses which are mostly understood as "miracles". Why wuld GOD violate His own laws? That doesnt make sense and it wld cause problems for us. Some criminal can then easily claim, after being caught giving a false testimony by accidentally uttering something of signicficance he cldnt otherwise have known, "well GOD put tht info into my brain just now coz in His view im evil n need to be punished". NO this is just not acceptable.
All humans die from a natural cause but it is God according to the Quran! The Quran says that God is the one who hold the birds in the air which we know is simply due to differences in air pressure.
Peace,
Rami
JK- So then humans cannot possibly have free will because what if some criminal decides to shoot somebody using free will which you say GOD couldnt have known? HOW THEN is tht person's death going to be natural and we know tht GOD said tht everyones life is fixed. This means if somebody succeeds in killing someone that was IN GOD'S PLAN and He knew when tht wld happen since He has fixed the decesased's time. GOD Bless!