The Shahada
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God will surely judge your mockery of His system, and the rejectors will suffer His punishment. And on that day, the idol worshipers will have no intercessors, and Allah will deal with them justly.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Its only a warning. One of the great ones. So that you caint say you didnt recieve a warner. God mocks you.
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Peace BelH,
So, you're taking two different verses from different parts of the Qur'an, and you're combining them to come up with your shirk shahaada?
Peace all
Ahamd, focus; 63-1 to 5 and 3-86 are a proof that Testifying was common between new comers to Islam during prophet time. I did not combine the two verses (which is okay to do by the way), but each is a stand alone verses (2 proofs).
on the other hand 2-140 & 43-86 are among the many verses that call and order the believers to TESTIFY TO THE TRUTH (The Quran Facts); moreover, it Prohibit the believers from concealing their Testimony. Thus, WE have to Testify to the Truth if we are True believers of the Truth that came in the Original Quran, Bible, and Torah.Now, before I testify about any of these things in the presence of Allah, I have to remember that I was not present when Allah spoke to Moses, when He designed the code 19 phenomenon, or when scholars added the two false verses into the message. I wasn't present for any of these things. So, if I testify regarding them, I am only testifying according to heresay and belief, not according to actual knowledge and witness of them.
Is not about Hearsay, rather GOD SAY.
Now did God say Mohamed is His Prophet? Yes; Did God say that He Spoke To Moses? Yes; Did God say that Rashad Kalifa is his Messenger? NO; did God say He will protect the Quran with a mathematical Code? No. Did God say that the Quran will be tampered with so we have to check it with code 19? NoPeople during the prophets' time often based their testimonies on the actual signs of God, things that they could actually witness and believe in. That's why Jesus' disciples could bear witness regarding his exhibiting signs of Allah - they actually witness him doing those things. The same was the case with Abraham, Moses, Elias, Jonas, David, Solomon, and even Muhammad. Similarly, many bear witness to the sign of Allah through the code 19, and there is nothing wrong with bearing witness to (and witnessing) God's signs. We can bear witness to Allah's greatness when we see the sun and moon and the other signs that He has given many of us the blessing to see. However, how can we bear witness regarding Muhammad when we've never seen him, nor do we know him? You didn't see him deliver the Qur'an, so how do you know he delivered it? Bearing witness regarding something you don't have firsthand knowledge about is equal to hypocrisy and lying (bearing false witness).
Thank you for putting the answer that I was trying to get from you, in a Straight Forward way.
Ahamed
1-is saying that He Testifies that "Code 19 is created to protect the Quran", which is not written any where in Quran (hearsay).
2-is Saying that He does not Testify that "Mohamed is God Messenger", which is written in Quran (God Say).Case Closed.
To all readers, use your God given Brain to know who is right and who is wrong?
Ahamed please reread what you wrote again and rethink if what you wrote is Logic, according to Quran, or not.
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To all readers, use your God given Brain to know who is right and who is wrong?
does that include me, ok i will use my brain, ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yeap i have to agree with ahmad on this one, as i have seen many who have answered this post to not accepting shahada to mohamad, so which readers are you talking about, may be YOU should start using your brain, and reread what EVERYONE has posted
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Peace all
Ahamd, focus; 63-1 to 5 and 3-86 are a proof that Testifying was common between new comers to Islam during prophet time. I did not combine the two verses (which is okay to do by the way), but each is a stand alone verses (2 proofs).
on the other hand 2-140 & 43-86 are among the many verses that call and order the believers to TESTIFY TO THE TRUTH (The Quran Facts); moreover, it Prohibit the believers from concealing their Testimony. Thus, WE have to Testify to the Truth if we are True believers of the Truth that came in the Original Quran, Bible, and Torah.Is not about Hearsay, rather GOD SAY.
Now did God say Mohamed is His Prophet? Yes; Did God say that He Spoke To Moses? Yes; Did God say that Rashad Kalifa is his Messenger? NO; did God said He will protect the Quran with a mathematical Code? No. Did God say that the Quran will be tampered with so we have to check it with code 19? NoThank you for putting the answer that I was trying to get from you in a Straight Forward way.
Ahamed
1-is saying that He Testifies that "Code 19 is created to protect the Quran", which is not written any where in Quran (hearsay).
2-is Saying that He does not Testify that "Mohamed is God Messenger", which is written in Quran (God Say).Case Closed.
To all readers, use your God given Brain to know who is right and who is wrong?
Ahamed please reread what you wrote again and rethink if what you wrote is Logic according to Quran or not.
Great brother bravo
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Peace BelH,
Ummm... hmm Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see the words, "Ash-hadu an la ilaaha ila Allah wa ash-hadu ana Muhammad ar-rasuwlu Allah" anywhere in any of those Quranic verses. What you have quoted are your own opinonated words, not the words of Allah. What is the purpose of this? If you didn't get the words from the Quran, then you have gotten them from another source. And coincidentally, these words occur plenty of times thoughout the hadith and sunna writings... ) Please show us a verse FROM THE QURAN stating your Sunni shahaada.
Peace,
Ahmad
Thank you brother Ahmad Bilal and at least we can quote just one verse in the Qur'aan that bears Allah's name ALONE without Muhammad's name being injected and plus this verse starts ouT with the first Arabic word which is Shahida (Shahaada)
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Peace
I posted earlier and I want to post it again...
To bear witness on something, one has to be a be able to WITNESS it with his senses first... Allah bore witness on many things because He is always there and saw all these events unlike us... All the verses in which people are bearing witness, they are bearing witness with the prophet who is alive in their time, and not bearing witness on dead prophets... The point is, we cannot bear witness on something/someone whom we did not witness.... We testify on things which our intellect can investigate into and verify...
But testimony is only for the ONENESS OF THE ONE TRUE GOD WHO DESERVE ALL WORSHIP AND PRAISE... and we come to know all and everything else through HIS WORDS... we know that Isa,Musa,Suleyman,Muhammad were His messengers through His words ... So SAMI3NAA WA ATWA3NAA .... We hear and we obey... We believe... We do not need to add the Messenger's name in the Shahadah for that... GOD never asked us to testify that Muhammad was His messenger so that we can be accepted in the deen of Al-ISLAM... this is man-made and big lie...
Allah is enough for me...
Peace brothers
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Thank you brother Ahmad Bilal and at least we can quote just one verse in the Qur'aan that bears Allah's name ALONE without Muhammad's name being injected and plus this verse starts ouT with the first Arabic word which is Shahida (Shahaada)
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Now put the above ayah in context with Sura Al-Imran 381
Behold! God took the covenant of the prophets, saying. "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you an Messenger, CONFIRMING what is with you; do you believe in him and render him help." God said. "Do you agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said. "WE AGREE." He said. "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."
thumma jaakum rasoolun musaddiqun lima maAAakum /
You guys spend more time arguing about nothing then you do actually developing a clear understanding of the Quran
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Peace,
Is this pledge not directed to the prophets??
And, clearly, they were required to BELIEVE IN THE NEW MESSENGER AND HELP HIM... this was their pledge... and since they agreed, God asked them to testify about their pledge... So whenever, there was a prophet and a new messenger came to them... they should honor their pledge... That what its all about...
Can anyone answer how we will be able to help the messenger now?? since he is no more...
Regards
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Peace,
Can anyone answer how we will be able to help the messenger now?? since he is no more...
Regards
By subscribing to his teachings or methods he left behind ( the Quran ). peace
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Peace,
Is this pledge not directed to the prophets??
And, clearly, they were required to BELIEVE IN THE NEW MESSENGER AND HELP HIM... this was their pledge... and since they agreed, God asked them to testify about their pledge... So whenever, there was a prophet and a new messenger came to them... they should honor their pledge... That what its all about...
Can anyone answer how we will be able to help the messenger now?? since he is no more...
Regards
that pledge is for all prophets mohamad included, as he was a prohpet was he not, and it says when he gave them the books and wisdom, which proves yet again he is talking about mohamad as being one of the prophets taking the pledge,
becuase he recieved a book as well, THEN came a messenger, so the prophets were taking a pledge including mohamad after the books had all come, THEN CAME A MESSENGER TO CONFIRM THE SCRIPTURES.
and he did come and go.... unfortunatley some people would rather hurt him then help him, some who are against him and some within him who abuse what he had.....it seems to me people are not really understanding the concept of the miracle......... -
Peace BelH,
Case Closed.
"Case closed"? laugh How is the case closed, brother? You STILL haven't shown us ONE VERSE in the Qur'an that declares your shirk shahaada. So, everytime you state your two testimonies, you are blaspheming and pairing Allah with Muhammad. If you wish to prove that your shirk shahaada is "GOD SAY", then please show us in the Qur'an where it is declared as a shahaada. But instead of doing this, you are relying on "MEN SAY" pagan traditions and manmade hadith and sunna writings.
Thank you for putting the answer that I was trying to get from you, in a Straight Forward way.
Ahamed
1-is saying that He Testifies that "Code 19 is created to protect the Quran", which is not written any where in Quran (hearsay).
2-is Saying that He does not Testify that "Mohamed is God Messenger", which is written in Quran (God Say).This is a clear example of your hypocrisy and ignorance. I have already told you my beliefs regarding the "code 19", and I have shown you clear examples from the Qur'an which indicate exactly what this "code" is used for, as well as why it is used. I have shown you directly from the scripture. So, your rejection of God's clear signs will surely be a witness against you in the Hereafter. Also, you STILL haven't shown me ANYWHERE in the Qur'an that says that the believers are required to pronounce shahaada about the prophets and messengers. All you have done is pointed out a shahaada bearing witness to Muhammad being a messenger of Allah, SPOKEN BY THE HYPOCRITES. Why haven't you mentioned a saying spoken by the believers? Are you too one of the hypocrites mentioned in chapter 63?
To all readers, use your God given Brain to know who is right and who is wrong?
I completely agree. Obviously, you believe that God revealed PART of the shahaada in 318, but He obviously forgot to mention the rest of it, specifically the part mentioning Muhammad's name... ) In fact, in ALL of the verses why the shahaada is mentioned (i.e. "La ilaaha ila Allah", God must've forgotten to mention the prophets alongside Him, right? I sure don't see any of them mentioned in any of the verses where the shahaada is declared. But you're right, I haven't examined the real circumstances like you said. Allah just forgot to put the rest of the shahaada in the Qur'an, right? He must've left it up to Sunni scholars to go ahead and combine another verse to the shahaada so they could have a sound basis for their belief, and we should all bear witness to Muhammad's name being in the shahaada, which Allah apparently forgot to mention, right? -\ You gotta be kidding me, BelH! Are you seriously trying to lead people down your path of idol worship with your ridiculous ideology?
I think, if the readers are trying to find out what the shahaada is that Allah prescribes, they should look to the Qur'an, not fabricated hadiths.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Assalaam Alaikum
Ok its time....
MOHAMMAD can/IS not be the father/ancestor from any of you men but he is the messenger of Allah and seal of prophets / khatama an nabiyyiin. And Allah has knowledge of all things.
Al-Ahzab Ma kana muhammadun aba ahadin min rijalikum wa lakin rasoola Allahi wa khatama alnnabiyyeena wakana Allahu bikulli shayin AAaleeman
Is this reference in the above ayah about the Arab of 1426 years ago?
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Peace all
belH
I have a question for you, since you believe Muhammad's name should be in the original Shahaada when you do salaat do you also mention his name while you are in the process of performing salaat?
As I showed in my posts, The new comers will have to accept Mohamed as the Prophet of God, if they want accept the Quran as God's Book. Non of us can ignore or deny That the Quran was written by Mohamed, which is the Ultimate Truth (God Say and not Hearsay).
When performing Prayer, I read the Quran; and if Mohamed name is mentioned in Verse, I will read that verse, as I do with the other prophets.
As I told you and every one else, God ordered us to Testify about the Truth and not Conceal it. And if one of the Truth is about confirming Mohamed or any other prophets Messenger ship, then I Testify that they were God's Messengers; moreover, if any one choose to conceal his or here Testimony and order other to do the same, then they are wicked according to 2-140.Peace BelH,
"Case closed"?
yes
So, everytime you state your two testimonies, you are blaspheming and pairing Allah with Muhammad.
So, according to you, we should not read the following verses
9-24
(Chapter 4 verse 136, please note what God says in the Book (his name beside his messenger); moreover note how believer should believe
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chapter 5 verse 55
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chapter 9 verse 59
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Does your Code 19 confirms that the above verses are divine, even God name is mentioned along with the Messenger?
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Peace
I posted earlier and I want to post it again...
To bear witness on something, one has to be a be able to WITNESS it with his senses first...
Peace wayfinder and everyone
I want you to analyze the content of verse 2-140 and answer the following
1- What was the debate about, and who were involved?
2- Was Prophet Mohamed alive during Abraham, Isma`il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes Time (did He sense them with His senses)?
3- did prophet Mohamed testify that Abraham (and the other prophets) was not Jews nor Christian, but a Submitter, because He was ordered to do so by God?(
Or do ye say that Abraham Isma`il Isaac Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say Do ye know better than Allah? Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah? But Allah is not unmindful of what ye do! (2-140)
When you finish, please share with us your understanding.
Peace
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belH you have said this
"As I showed in my posts, The new comers will have to accept Mohamed as the Prophet of God, if they want accept the Quran as God's Book."
WRONG AGAIN!
A Muslims is supposed to believe in all the Prophets of Allah and what was revealed to them and not make a distinction between any of them
Qur'aan 2136
Say, ?We believe in Allah, and in what was revealed to us, and in what was revealed to Abraham and Ismaa?il and Isaac and Jacob and the Tribes, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and all the Prophets from their Sustainer. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are Muslims.?And a Muslim believes in tawhiyd
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BUT WHAT YOU KEEP FAILING OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS TO SHOW US ONE VERSE IN THE QUR'AAN WHERE ALLAH HIMSELF PLACES MUHAMMAD IN THE SHAHAADA. I HAVE SHOWN YOU A VERSE WHERE A MUSLIMS BELIEVES IN ALL THE PROPHETS BUT THE BELIEF OF A PROPHET HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SHAHAADA. THE SHAHAADA IS A DIFFERENT REALITY AND IT ONLY BEARS ALLAH'S NAME ALONE AS DEMONSTRATED IN THE VERSE ABOVE.
LOOK AT THE VERSES BELOW SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT PROPHET MUHAMMAD ONLY BELIEVED IN AND FOLLOWED THE SUNNA OF ALLAH AND ALLAH TELLS US THAT HIS SUNNA NEVER CHANGES SO IF MUHAMMAD ONLY DECLARED LA ILAHA ILLA ALLAH (318; 619; 2014) THAT ALSO MEANS WHEN THE OTHER PROPHETS WERE ON THE SCENE THEY ALSO DECLARED & BELIEVED IN THE SAME THING BECAUSE AGAIN ALLAH'S SUNNA IS THE SAME FOR ALL THE MESSENGERS OF THE PAST AND IT WILL NEVER CHANGE
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I will now leave you with this verse from the Holy Qur'aan
Qur?aan 1636
We have sent a Messenger to every nation/community, saying, ?You shall worship Allah, and avoid idolatry.? Some of them were guided by Allah, while others were committed to straying. Roam the planet earth and note the consequences for the rejectors. -
Assalaam Alaikum
Ok its time....
MOHAMMAD can/IS not be the father/ancestor from any of you men but he is the messenger of Allah and seal of prophets / khatama an nabiyyiin. And Allah has knowledge of all things.
Al-Ahzab Ma kana muhammadun aba ahadin min rijalikum wa lakin rasoola Allahi wa khatama alnnabiyyeena wakana Allahu bikulli shayin AAaleeman
Is this reference in the above ayah about the Arab of 1426 years ago?
The 'Muhammadun' of the Quran is the personality and character 'model' that has existed throughout human history.
This 'Muhammadun' is the Messenger whom Ibraaheem,as mentioned....
"Our Lord! send among / inside them / feehim a messenger of their own, who shall read / Yatloo your Ayats to them and instruct them in the Book and wisdom, and sanctify them. For You art the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
Yatloo (Imperfect Active Verb, Present/Future) Recite
Ibraaheem's dua was answered....
And how would you deny Faith while unto you are rehearsed / tutla the Signs of Allah, and in you Lives the Messenger / feekum rasooluhu ? Whoever holds firmly to Allah will be shown a way that is straight.
tutla (passive verb)
Passive Verb denotes the act is taking place among someone discoverable, and the act is done either through a human agency or through an unknown inner cause (Reference ?Learn the Language of The Quran? page 248
? Al-Imran 3.164] Allah did a great favour over the believers when He raised in them a Messenger from their souls reciting to them the ayats/signs of Allah, justifying them, and teaching them in the Book and the wisdom, while before that, they had been in manifest error.
ith baAAatha feehim rasoolan min anfusihim yatloo AAalayhim ayatihi
The 'Muhammadun' is internally, part of your spiritual construct and as such is reciting and suggesting to you the guidance.
Thus the Shahadah....
Behold! God took the covenant of the prophets, saying. "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you an Messenger, CONFIRMING what is with you; do you believe in him and render him help." God said. "Do you agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said. "WE AGREE." He said. "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."
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LOOK AT THE VERSES BELOW SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT PROPHET MUHAMMAD ONLY BELIEVED IN AND FOLLOWED
Peace
Why do you say Prophet Muhamad? Did you witness His Prophet Hood? As you know, calling someone a Prophet of God is a serious Claim, which can be only said when you Testify for it. And that is my point, Al Khdir.
You are asking people (new comer to Islam) to accept the Quran as a divine Message, but at the same time you are refusing to Testify that the Person who wrote it is a Prophet! why would they believe you? -
salaam
go easy please. a few issues to ponder (merely issues of understanding)
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when in the Qur'an is mentioned that 'muhammad' is not a father to anyone of you, then what is this 'muhammad' in question? please remember that muhammad the 'nabiy' has children.
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is 'muhammad' in the Qur'an a proper name? or merely a reference to the one worthy of praise (for having the attributes since it is closest to God)? is that not the traits or attributes of a 'rasool'?
if in your understanding 'muhammad' is not a proper name, could it be possible that 'muhammad' is essentially in you and me? and everyone else before and after you and me? in other words, have we not been bestowed with 'muhammad', or the 'rasool', or the one which has the attributes that is worthy of praise? if the 'rasool' is with you and me right now, where is this 'muhammad' then?
please also remember that if 'muhammad' is a proper name, then 'muhammad' was never in ibraheem, isa, moosa or the 'anbiya''. in other words, each one of them could not have attained that state (status) of being a 'rasool'. on the other hand, if 'muhammad' is not a proper name, then the 'muhammad' was prominent in them 'anbiya''.
this issue is however best answered by God. He will give you a comprehension if you have had asked Him in the first place. don't be too arrogant with God, otherwise you will fit in the description of 'iblees'.
when you ask people, you only get an answer as understood by people. different people have different views, thus answers. the correct answer is however with God. ask, and you will be told. be patient with God please. and above all, have full faith in God. appoint God as your 'rabb' - the Lord, or the one in control of you (your hearts, minds, and actions). acknowledge, appoint and honour Him as the Teacher, and He will teach you accordingly.
and with due respect to God, it is beyond me (a creation of God) indeed to pass a judgement on what God (the Creator) has attained someone in understanding.
share your current understandings if you please, but never make judgement calls. that is reserved solely for God, for he is the Wisest of judges. many people make this as a lip service, but not in practice. people make judgement calls based solely on what they know, when people only know what God has taught them. yet so much more are to be known. be careful with 'iblees' that resides in the minds, and 'shaytan' that resides in the hearts. and remember, this post is in english, not some swahili.
may God guide us all on the honourable path.
peace!
mohammed noh
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