What was the one thing that made you come to Quran Alone Islam?
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If you had to pick the biggest problems you had with Sunni/Shia/Other sects that made you turn your back on them what would they be?
I was personally Sunni and it was the ridiculous amounts of nonsense Hadiths that made me turn away.
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The "Aqiqah" Aqiqah is a "confirmed sunnah". If the guardian of the child is capable of slaughtering two sheep for a baby boy and one sheep for a female child, he should do it...
One for the girl and two for the boy? Where is the rational? brickwall -
Stoning - needless to say - a disgusting practice
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The amount of arrogance, ignorance and hypocrisy that was rampant in many of the Sunnis I knew. I remember once during a friday khutba, the imam told everyone to leave the understanding of the Quran to them and not to even try understanding it because it is "too hard". Understanding the Quran, according to the imam, was the job of so called scholars."Regular" people would be stupid to attempt it - for me, this was the last time I could blindy justify my Sunni beliefs. According to these bearded men thumbing their rosaries, god meant the holy books to be meant only for imams. Only two weeks prior to this khutba, the same imam had said that one of the reason Jews fell out of favour with god was that they kept their knowledge within the small circle of Rabbis and thus it wasn't freely spread.
At this point I had a great internal struggle for some months to the point where, at the age of 15, I considered becoming an athiest. Thank god that I started to read extensively on Islam and discovered this site. I have a friend in University who is a Hafiz-ul-Quran and strongly disagrees with my views, currently I'm trying to gather as much proof and evidence as I can to try and convert him because many, many of my friends depend upon this person for "Islamic" guidance and if he comes to the right path I am hoping the rest will soon follow.
I thank God for guiding me and hope that he will continue to guide many others.
The peace and blessings of our lord be upon those that created and moderate this website. I offer my deepest thanks. -
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Peace to all,
Yes Diem, I thank God everyday also for guiding me to him in Islam, the sunni and hadeeth free version that is, im also glad I founf the submission.org site first though, cause when I read the Quran and decided I wanted to become a muslim , i then started researching how to do it, and when i found all those traditional sites that were telling me to do things that i couldnt agree or believe I started to doubt and became confused, i really didnt know the difference at that point, one day I read on a site called islamicity that all the scholars agree that if you become a muslim and then try to leave islam that the punishment was beheading, I was scared to death, I said theres no way this can be true and cant be part of Islam from the Quran i was reading. Then one day when I was going to try to become a muslim I researched how and the shahada said I had to say the Muhhamad is the messenger part, so when I tried to do it I couldnt say it, I always say that the spirit of truth that led me to Islam also led me away from the traditional sunna and hadeeths, so one day I just said to myself, I bare witness there is no God but God, from then on thats all I believe and all I need to say.
Kurt
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If you had to pick the biggest problems you had with Sunni/Shia/Other sects that made you turn your back on them what would they be?
I was personally Sunni and it was the ridiculous amounts of nonsense Hadiths that made me turn away.
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The "Aqiqah" Aqiqah is a "confirmed sunnah". If the guardian of the child is capable of slaughtering two sheep for a baby boy and one sheep for a female child, he should do it...
One for the girl and two for the boy? Where is the rational? brickwall -
Stoning - needless to say - a disgusting practice
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The amount of arrogance, ignorance and hypocrisy that was rampant in many of the Sunnis I knew. I remember once during a friday khutba, the imam told everyone to leave the understanding of the Quran to them and not to even try understanding it because it is "too hard". Understanding the Quran, according to the imam, was the job of so called scholars."Regular" people would be stupid to attempt it - for me, this was the last time I could blindy justify my Sunni beliefs. According to these bearded men thumbing their rosaries, god meant the holy books to be meant only for imams. Only two weeks prior to this khutba, the same imam had said that one of the reason Jews fell out of favour with god was that they kept their knowledge within the small circle of Rabbis and thus it wasn't freely spread.
At this point I had a great internal struggle for some months to the point where, at the age of 15, I considered becoming an athiest. Thank god that I started to read extensively on Islam and discovered this site. I have a friend in University who is a Hafiz-ul-Quran and strongly disagrees with my views, currently I'm trying to gather as much proof and evidence as I can to try and convert him because many, many of my friends depend upon this person for "Islamic" guidance and if he comes to the right path I am hoping the rest will soon follow.
I thank God for guiding me and hope that he will continue to guide many others.
The peace and blessings of our lord be upon those that created and moderate this website. I offer my deepest thanks.They are saying this because Al Shafi laid it out that way
From Al-Shafi'i's Risala
Treatise on the Foundations of Islamic Jurisprudence TRANSLATED BY MAJID KHADDURIOn Legal Knowledge
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Someone asked me What is knowledge and how much should men know of it?
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Shafi?i replied Legal knowledge is of two kinds one is for the general public, and no sober and mature person should be ignorant of it.
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He asked For example?
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replied For example, that the daily prayers are five, that men owe it to God to fast the month of Ramadan, to make the pilgrimage to the House whenever they are able, and to the legal alms in their estate; that He has prohibited usury, adultery, homicide, theft, wine, and of that sort which He has obligated men to comprehend, to perform, to pay in their property, and to abstain from He has forbidden it to them.
This kind of knowledge may be found textually in the Book of God, or may be found generally among the people of Islam. The public relates it from the preceding public and ascribes it to the Apostle of God, nobody ever questioning its ascription or its binding force upon them. It is the kind of knowledge which admits of error neither in its narrative nor in its interpretation; it is not permissible to question it.
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He asked What is the second kind?
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Shafi?i replied It consists of the detailed duties and rules obligatory on men, concerning which there exists neither a text in the Book of God, nor regarding most of them, a sunna. Whenever a sunna exists , it is of the kind related by few authorities, not by the public, and is subject to different interpretations arrived at by analogy.
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He asked Is replied There is a third kind .
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He asked Will you explain it, give its source, and state what of it is obligatory, and on whom it is binding and on whom it is not binding?
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replied The public is incapable of knowing this kind of knowledge, nor can all specialists obtain it. But those who do obtain it should not all neglect it. If some can obtain it, the others are relieved of the duty ; but those who do obtain it will be rewarded.
ON THE OBLIGATION OF MAN TO ACCEPT
THE AUTHORITY OF THE PROPHETA Declaration Concerning the Duty Imposed by God, as Laid Down in His Book, To Follow the Prophet?s Sunna
- Shafi?i said God has placed His Apostle? His religion, His commands and His Book?in the position made clear by Him as a distinguishing standard of His religion by imposing the duty of obedience to Him as well as prohibiting disobedience to Him. He has made His merits evident by associating belief in His Apostle with the belief in Him. For God, Blessed and Most High, said
So believe in God and His Apostles, and do not say ?Three.? Refrain; better for you. God is only one God. Glory be to Him. His having a son is something alien to him .
And He said
The believers are only those who have believed in God and His Apostle, and who when they are with him on some common affair do not go away until they ask his permission .
Thus prescribed that the perfect beginning of the faith, to which all other things are subordinate, shall be the belief in Him and then in His Apostle. For if a person believes only in Him, not in His Apostle, the name of the perfect faith will never apply to him until he believes in His Apostle together with Him.
So the Apostle laid down the sunna for testing the faith of every man
Malik b. Anas told us from Hilal b. Usama from Ata? b. Yasar from Umar b. al-Hakam, who said
I went to the Apostle of God with a slave-girl and I asked him ?I have taken an oath ; may I free her?? ?Where is God?? the Apostle asked her. ?In heaven,? she answered. ?And who am I?? asked he. ?You are the Apostle of God,? she answered. ?You may free her,? said.
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And He, glorious be His praise, said
And also we have sent among you an Apostle, one of yourselves, to recite to you our signs, and purify you, to teach you the Book and the Wisdom, and to teach you what you did not know .
And He said
God bestowed a favor upon the believers when He raised up amongst them an Apostle, one of themselves, to recite His signs to them, to purify them and to teach them the Book, although they had formerly been in manifest error .
And He, glorious be His praise, said
It is He who has raised up an Apostle among the untutored people, one of their number to recite to them His signs, to purify them, and to teach them the Book and the Wisdom, though formerly they had been in manifest error .
And He said
But remember the goodness which God has shown you and how much of the Book and the Wisdom He has sent down to you to admonish you thereby .
And He said
God has sent down to thee the Book and the Wisdom, and has taught thee what thou did not know before; the bounty of God towards thee is ever great .
And He said
And call to mind the signs of God and the Wisdom which are recited in your houses; verily God is gentle, well-informed .
So God mentioned His Book?which is the Qur?an?and Wisdom, and I have heard that those who are learned in the Quran?whom I approve?hold that Wisdom is the sunna of the Apostle of God. This is like what said; but God knows best! For the Quran is mentioned , followed by Wisdom; God mentioned His favor to mankind by teaching them the Qur?an and Wisdom. So it is not permissible for Wisdom to be called here save the sunna of the Apostle of God. For is closely linked to the Book of God, and God has imposed the duty of obedience to His Apostle, and imposed on men the obligation to obey his orders. So it is not permissible to regard anything as a duty save that set forth in the Quran and the sunna of His Apostle. For , as we have stated, prescribed that the belief in His Apostle shall be associated with the belief in Him.
The sunna of the Apostle makes evident what God meant , indicating His general and particular . He associated the Wisdom in the sunna with his Book, but made it subordinate . Never has God done this for any of His creatures save His Apostle. End Quote
So you see they are simply restating what Al Shafi said who apparently was the first to officially invent new sources for the Deen known as Sunnah and then Qiyas and then Ijma' which can only be understood by specialist as he calls it.
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Where to begin...
I was born in a non religious Sunni family and growing up the only thing I knew about Islam was the Kalimah. At the age of fifteen, 9/11 occurred and my curiosity to Islam was sparked. I was eager to learn about this seemingly scandalous religion, and of course all my explorations originally led me to bias, lies and corruption. It was either Islamophobic sources that misinterpreted the Quran or Islamically fundamental sources that misinterpreted the Quran. Thank God that at the tender age of my mid teens I did not sway to either side. I did my own research and focused on what I found to be more reliable sources and Quranic translations. I saw the truth for what it was and so I believed.
From then on I only accepted the Quran as absolute truth. It was the word of God after all.
At first, I didn't know what Hadiths were or even Sunnism and Shiasm. I joined an MSA and fellow "Muslims" helped me form a basic understanding about Hadiths and the different Islamic sects. These topics were brought up in various discussions and debates. In addition to doing my own research, the more I learned, the more confused I became. I couldn't comprehend those belief systems because it simply didn't make sense to me. Both Sunnis and Shias have attempted influencing me to their religious sect, and I was always turned off by some of their religious claims and rituals which I found to be fanatical, contradictory, complicated or strenuous (according to the Quran, there is no compulsion in religion 2256)...I questioned the validity and authenticity of hadiths and chose not to identify myself with any particular sect. As for most of these "Muslims" I encountered, I noticed they had a distorted belief of religious concepts with cultural traditions. In addition, the more religious they claimed to be, the more hypocritical they turned out to be. I won't go into detail, but I was more or less repulsed and therefore distanced myself from them.
For years I've relied solely on the Quran for authentic Islamic knowledge and simply referred to myself as a Muslim. It was merely days ago that I realized there was an entire movement that shared similar beliefs to my own. Ironically enough, I was browsing a Shia forum that was criticizing a site about "Quranism" that led me to this forum...and here I am, a self proclaimed believer of Quran alone.
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Stani, what it shiachat? Was it the Tehran thread? That was me over there (who advocated free-minds). sun
Btw, stoning is the main reason I follow the Qur'an, the Qur'an alone, and nothing but the Qur'an. Of course, I do believe there is a little truth in hadeeth.
Peace.